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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby Rory » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:55 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

The Obama administration on Friday officially accused Russia of carrying out a wide-ranging campaign to interfere with the 2016 elections, including by hacking the computers of the Democratic National Committee and other political officials.

The denunciation, made by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security, came as pressure was growing from within the administration and some lawmakers to hold Moscow accountable for a set of actions apparently aimed at sowing discord around the election.


My gut instinct is still that the russia link to the hacks is horseshite, but regardless, here it is in the open. Major escalation of public rhetoric.
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby tapitsbo » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:25 pm

Yes, guaranteed now that the election will be at least as anomalous as in 2000
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:38 pm

8bitagent wrote,
For those writing off the latest conspiracy hand wrangling over "WW3" talks...consider over half a million human beings, souls if you're religious, have died in five years alone from this Syria-US-Russia war.


Yes, an extraordinarily brutal loss of life and tragic, indeed.

Yet nearly 56 million people die each year and few notice their death. 30,000 die each year in the USA from firearm injuries, with nearly an additional 70,000 surviving their wounding. Few care. Talk is as cheap as life in our capitalistic society. While some kind-heartened folk might find time to mow their poor neighbor's lawn, many more could care less. Look at our inner-city slums for an example of our caring and we see just how far it goes.

km artlu, Indeed!

Well said, Jack. Disease would rise after the destruction of water and sewer systems.

Rory wrote,
Just got a statement from @mod_russia that basically says Russia wd shoot down coalition jets if US launches airstrikes against Assad.


Sure they will.

Pay no mind to the poor captioning in this video:






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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby 82_28 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:51 pm

I think the only thing I will ever say from now on is:

We're fucked.

So prepare.
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby Laodicean » Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:16 pm

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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby slimmouse » Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:20 pm

I will readily confess to being disappointed that many on this board didnt see this coming

After all this is , supposedly , Rigorous Intuition.

Get with the programme Jack
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby Laodicean » Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:23 pm

slimmouse » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:20 pm wrote:I will readily confess to being disappointed that many on this board didnt see this coming

After all this is , supposedly , Rigorous Intuition.


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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby slimmouse » Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:29 pm



Watch those towers self destruct.

Read the clear cover up that is the 9/11 commission report.

Then try telling me that this world isnt ruled by very sick people
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:23 pm

The Obama administration on Friday officially accused Russia of attempting to interfere in the 2016 elections

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

What's Obama's next move after blaming Moscow for hacks?

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Passcode ... -for-hacks
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby tron » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:29 pm

what if war is somehow the way here? we have the little war to stop the big war?
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby Nordic » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:16 pm

tron » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:29 pm wrote:what if war is somehow the way here? we have the little war to stop the big war?



You mean a coup/revolution?
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby slimmouse » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:46 pm

Nordic » 08 Oct 2016 20:16 wrote:
tron » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:29 pm wrote:what if war is somehow the way here? we have the little war to stop the big war?



You mean a coup/revolution?


within our next inevitable reincarnation, we might get it.
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby tron » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:07 pm

Nordic » Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:16 pm wrote:
tron » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:29 pm wrote:what if war is somehow the way here? we have the little war to stop the big war?



You mean a coup/revolution?


no, i mean all the shitty stuff thats going on, it looks horrible on the outside but maybe its all for a good reason, collective learning? to know that war is bad the whole collective has to experience part of it or some shit, im trying to frame things so i dont go mad.
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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby conniption » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:19 pm

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I wish I could say things were improving between the US and Russia but they aren't. They're rapidly worsening.

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A No Fly Zone

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Russia Responds

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Prepping for War

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The Russian Mindset

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Conclusion

Russia and the US are edging ever closer to armed conflict in Syria. We can hope and pray for our own selfish purposes that the conflict remains confined to Syria but it may not.

I cannot find any particularly good reason to be demonizing Russia at this point. From my perspective all Russia has done is react to the circumstances presented to it by the west. Russia did not destabilize Ukraine, the US and the EU did. By reacting to that and protecting the Russian speaking people on it’s own borders, Russia has committed some sort of sin to the power players in the US.

Similarly, by legally responding to a request to help by the government of Syria, Russia has done something unconscionable…namely, resisted the wishes of the necons and likuds.

Let’s be perfectly blunt, innocent civilian lives mean nothing to those people. They never have and they never will.

What matters to people who regularly transgress other people’s boundaries is that they themselves are not resisted. Have you ever noticed this in your own life? I have. When someone who violates my boundaries is met with any sort of resistance at all, they experience it as me attacking them.

I remember well being yelled at by someone who did that a lot to people in their life and when I’d had enough an exactly matched their intensity to simply say “Stop! This is where I begin and you end!” they recoiled and told everyone that I had attacked them.

Where we could analyze the Russian-US situation from a variety of directions – political, historical, etc. – I am going to do it from the psychological perspective.

I see the neocons and likuds as very damaged and traumatized individuals. They carry a set of internal wounds that express on the outside as a very belligerent and hostile set of postures and actions.

If I were to guess at their internal wound, it might be something along the lines of “I was really hurt as a child and nobody will ever hurt me again like that.”

The best way to not be hurt is to lash out as fiercely and as rapidly as you can, in every circumstance. The motto is “Do one to others before they do one to me.”

The mistake you and I could make would be to assume on any level that these people share our world view and will not “go all the way” before turning back. They are not built the same. The ends always justify the means to these people. They do not rationally calculate outcomes because they are operating from a very wounded and highly irrational spot.

Have you ever tried using logic on someone who is in a full emotional meltdown? How did that work out? Not well, right? In fact, it almost certainly made things worse.

Well even though the neocons who have inserted themselves into every crevice of power in the US seem cold and rational, they are not. They are driven by demons that came to them early in life, perhaps handed down as a part of their culture, which taught them that the world was a very hostile place always looking for a reason to kill them.

That’s the nature of all childhood wounds. Delivered early enough they all come down to survival. If you are told directly or covertly over and over again that you are defective, unloved and unlovable, then the early innocent mind goes to insane lengths to wrap itself around that harsh reality.

Inner contracts are written, and they inform that person’s outlook and actions for the rest of their lives or until they are healed, whichever comes first.

The colossal mistake being made in the US is failing to recognize that people carrying such childhood wounds really cannot ever be trusted to act rationally. In a healthy culture we’d be able to detect these people early in life and usher them either into harmless yet worthy jobs or get them the treatment they need.

Instead, they roam the halls undetected and because they crave the power that they lacked in childhood they become over-represented in the halls of power. Once they achieve critical mass in any institution they take over the entire machinery of that organization.

That is where the US is now. This (next) rush to war is not a matter of anything rational or explicable, it is a function of having too many damaged and wounded people in charge operating from deeply unconscious levels.

And here’s the thing; they will not stop, ever, unless stopped by circumstances. They will never achieve enough power. The void they seek to fill cannot be filled from the outside. Nothing will ever ‘be enough.’

There’s no end, but a violent one.

And this is why I am warning you to prepare for war. Whether it happens now with Russia or later with someone else, it will happen. The only thing that will stop these neocons is if they are exposed and flushed from the system or if their power is stripped away by losing a war.

By failing to understand the wound dynamics at play we are all being held hostage to a drama being scripted by very old and unhealed wounds.

Nothing about this circumstance can ever be solved on the outside; only inner healing can shift any of this.

It is deeply telling that the two main party candidates for the US presidency are each poster-children for wound-driven egos run amuck. Both are obviously fragile and unable to handle anything but fawning admiration, neither seems capable of honest introspection or real empathy.

They are, literally, the direct manifestations of a nation that has yet to confront its own inner demons. And until it does there will always have to be some sort of external bogey man that it can project its on worst traits upon as it desperately avoids asking the most important question of them all; “Hey, what if my troubles are because of me and my actions?”

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So, sadly, please follow the actions of the German and Russian governments and prepare yourself for war. While we can all hope this too blows over and cooler heads prevail, hope alone is a terrible strategy.

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Re: The WW3 is beginning thread

Postby Nordic » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:08 pm

From Sako Sefiani on FB:

What we must all understand and be clear on about Syria, something that's hardly ever talked about, but which is very crucial for our understanding of the situation there and the dangers involved, is that the current tension and animosity and even talk of "war" between the US and Russia is not because suddenly Russia decided to be more "assertive" or because of some unidentified economic interest or because of some nationalistic pride to regain past stature and status. Confronting the US is the last thing Russia would want. The mindset among the Russian people isn't like it is with Americans. Russians are deeply and strongly anti-war and weary of another world war.

The reason why Russia has decided enough is enough and drew the line in the sand over Syria and is trying to stop US march towards total and complete domination in Middle East is because it has no choice. Russia's back is truly against the wall. They either stop the US now and in Syria or their turn will soon come, What we must all understand and be clear on about Syria, something that's hardly ever talked about, but which is very crucial for our understanding of the situation there and the dangers involved, is that the current tension and animosity and even talk of "war" between the US and Russia is not because suddenly Russia decided to be more "assertive" or because of some unidentified economic interest or because of some nationalistic pride to regain past stature and status. Confronting the US is the last thing Russia would want. The mindset among the Russian people isn't like it is with Americans. Russians are deeply and strongly anti-war and weary of another world war.

The reason why Russia has decided enough is enough and drew the line in the sand over Syria and is trying to stop US march towards total and complete domination in Middle East is because it has no choice. Russia's back is truly against the wall. They either stop the US now and in Syria or their turn will soon come, too. They've seen the writing on the wall and know where this is all leading. For them, it's a matter of survival, not "expansion", "assertiveness", ambition for greatness or national pride, but simple survival. Syria is like that last hill, which must be held or the city will fall, the enemy will enter through its gates and it'll go up in flames.

Why is this a matter of survival for Russia? Because after destroying Iraq, Libya and Syria, the US will go after Iran (and the Iranians know it, too). With Middle East completely under their control, replete with numerous military bases and puppet governments and Israel as strong as ever (Obama just signed an aid package for Israel for the next 10 years, worth about $40 billion), and with the plan for surrounding Russia herself with NATO forces, from the Baltic states to Ukraine, going strong and unabated, it would only be a matter of time to attempt regime change in Russia, herself. Russians, of course, see and understand this. That makes the situation more dangerous because it means they can't back off.

And as for the US, they won't back off, either, because backing off for them means backing off their long-running intergenerational and henceforth well executed plan for World domination for their corporations. In a way, the US, too, views continuing their march for world domination their only hope for survival, because for imperialism, stagnation means death; staying alive requires growing capital and profits. They must suck blood out of their victims or they die. They don't know of another way. They're the product of capitalism and capitalism knows no other way. It's like asking a flea or tic or a parasite to change its ways. New markers must be opened up and new sources of cheap natural resources and labor discovered and taken over to keep profits flowing. The end of capital growth is viewed by them as the end of capitalism and the end of their kingdom and way of life, the end of their world as they know it. Even Bernie Sanders knew that, which is why he, too, wouldn't try to change course in US foreign policy - not by a long shot. Capitalism in the US cannot go back to being non-imperialist. Capital cannot be contained within one’s borders. It must be dismantled.

Whether or not we need to overthrow the old system and replace it with totally different values and framework, which won't be based on or driven by profits, exploitation, wars and plunder is no longer academic and a topic for intellectual entertainment and pastime. Overhauling the capitalist system and pulling it out from its roots has now become a matter of life and death.. They've seen the writing on the wall and know where this is all leading. For them, it's a matter of survival, not "expansion", "assertiveness", ambition for greatness or national pride, but simple survival. Syria is like that last hill, which must be held or the city will fall, the enemy will enter through its gates and it'll go up in flames.

Why is this a matter of survival for Russia? Because after destroying Iraq, Libya and Syria, the US will go after Iran (and the Iranians know it, too). With Middle East completely under their control, replete with numerous military bases and puppet governments and Israel as strong as ever (Obama just signed an aid package for Israel for the next 10 years, worth about $40 billion), and with the plan for surrounding Russia herself with NATO forces, from the Baltic states to Ukraine, going strong and unabated, it would only be a matter of time to attempt regime change in Russia, herself. Russians, of course, see and understand this. That makes the situation more dangerous because it means they can't back off.

And as for the US, they won't back off, either, because backing off for them means backing off their long-running intergenerational and henceforth well executed plan for World domination for their corporations. In a way, the US, too, views continuing their march for world domination their only hope for survival, because for imperialism, stagnation means death; staying alive requires growing capital and profits. They must suck blood out of their victims or they die. They don't know of another way. They're the product of capitalism and capitalism knows no other way. It's like asking a flea or tic or a parasite to change its ways. New markers must be opened up and new sources of cheap natural resources and labor discovered and taken over to keep profits flowing. The end of capital growth is viewed by them as the end of capitalism and the end of their kingdom and way of life, the end of their world as they know it. Even Bernie Sanders knew that, which is why he, too, wouldn't try to change course in US foreign policy - not by a long shot. Capitalism in the US cannot go back to being non-imperialist. Capital cannot be contained within one’s borders. It must be dismantled.

Whether or not we need to overthrow the old system and replace it with totally different values and framework, which won't be based on or driven by profits, exploitation, wars and plunder is no longer academic and a topic for intellectual entertainment and pastime. Overhauling the capitalist system and pulling it out from its roots has now become a matter of life and death.
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