2016 Presidential Election

[8bitagent]

Trump looks like a sniffling flailing baby, but I do take offense to Hillary Clinton feigning horror at dead Muslim children when her and Obama have mass murdered
countless Muslim children. I def urge all progressives to vote for Jill Stein. Trump may be unfit, but Hillary Clinton and her Bush neocon foreign policy
will bring us toward world war with Russia. I give Clinton credit for being poised as hell tho.

[dada]

Reposting for new page.

Going to let my imagination run, see what kind of ideas come up. Not worried about practicality, just brainstorming freely. You know, I like to do thought experiments.

It's the political mood that must arrive, not some conventional piece-by-piece building of hierarchical organization vetting politicians. The most meaningful effort on the electoral front after November would be to challenge ballot restrictions, push for IRV, public campaign finance, etc.

I envision an occupy-style groundswell with a detailed platform addressing many fronts, as opposed to the (refreshingly) original occupy platform of 'no platform.' A movement that deliberately allows itself to be channeled into electoral politics.

Every occupy-area grows its own political party. It's understood from the start that these parties are not conventional parties, they change constantly, merge, split. There's planned obsolescence built into some of them. Others have that distinctly discordian flavor (Guns and Dope. Is it a political party or a joke?) They're all temporary tools by design.

This is Smart-politics, a new utilitarian way of thinking about how to apply political pressure. Flood the market. Don't play the establishment's political games, make up our own games and make them more fun than theirs. The new system is fluid, a mutant organism. Greens and Libertarians are forced to struggle to keep up if they want to stay relevant. In the future things can move fast. Do try not to get stuck in the past.

It's the political mood that must arrive. Occupy may have started as an ad campaign, but it grew unpredictably, spontaneously. Be prepared to make suggestions next time. Or watch it happen, if you like. Your observation will be noted by the data-collectors. That will help, too.

Democracy may arrive, walk through the door and own their shit, one day soon, as it almost did this year. If that means it's a huge bunch of people suddenly involved who had never before done a thing for the Democrats (out of entirely understandable reasons, of course), or who had never before bothered with anything political, then too bad for all the hard-working hacks and bureaucrats and servants to business interests and careerists who put all those years of work in just to have it appropriated by the frightful mob of the majority.

The Lucky Black Cats say the media is the pivot point. So much money and effort has been invested in creating the media 'hardware.' Yet cheap, effective, quality 'software' can be plugged in by anyone.

Corporate pr strategies are at a disadvantage in the now future. Heavy-handed marketing requires more and more, for less and less result. The best programs be subtle, transparent, invisible. Planting ideas, manufacturing desires, and influencing minds is best when practiced by individuals on shoe-string budgets. Capital can't compete.

How does this response have to do with the quote above it?

This was the real struggle of the primaries in 2016, besides the top-down rigging, and I'm not thinking at all that it proved they were invulnerable when the Sanders challenge was finally defeated. It made their weakness obvious.

I agree. It also made the peoples' weakness obvious. Naive idealism. Imagining the democratic system to be a holy institution doesn't help. The political machine doesn't think in those terms, to their advantage.

Hopefully the people take this lesson to heart. The system is simply another tool for making political changes, nothing more, nothing less. Mystical, sentimental ideas about democracy need to be dispelled.

I'm not going to condemn anyone who votes for Clinton if they do so thinking to stop the beast, long as they don't fool themselves about her and her establishment or delude themselves about what must follow. That means movement building first, that's the way to get a party that might actually change something. (The awesome loss of nerve or corrupt reveal of Syriza once in power could be used as evidence against my argument, of course.)

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It does come down to not fooling ourselves. Reminding people to think in a new way is key. All votes are tactical. Any party once in power has already served its purpose and quickly becomes a hindrance. Strategies need constant revision, endless updating. We're in space in the future. There's no ground, we're constantly moving.

[stickdog99]

Jack be nimble.

[Freitag]

I'm surprised that Trump handled the last question of the debate - "find something positive to say about the other candidate" - better than Clinton did. She complimented his children. He called her a fighter and said she doesn't give up and he considers it a positive trait. That was a great question to end on.

[JackRiddler]

Let's play!

Say one good thing about Trump and one about Clinton. Go.

[82_28]

Let's play!

Say one good thing about Trump and one about Clinton. Go.

Trump has a lot of funny impersonators. Clinton ummmmmmmmm. Maybe just that she would be the first female president which would help domestic girls but not the girls she will be bombing.

Other than that, I got nothing.

[8bitagent]

Let's play!

Say one good thing about Trump and one about Clinton. Go.

Clinton seems to have, if taken at her word, made an about face in regards to minorities, gays, ect. Not long ago Clinton called black teens super predators,
laughed at the very idea of gay marriage, vowed to deport millions of 'illegals', ect. So I want to believe Clinton has edged toward a more progressive position

Trump...well, so far I give him that he's always been a unique figure on television and pop culture since the early 1980's. I give him the teflon Trump
ability to weather jaw dropping crisis and controversies that would sink the normal business person, celebrity or politician.

[dada]

Let's play!

Say one good thing about Trump and one about Clinton. Go.

I got nothing.

I really don't get people sometimes. Pretty certain I'm in the wrong dimension. Must've made a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

[seemslikeadream]

The "superpredators" line comes from a 1996 speech in New Hampshire, where Clinton spoke in support of the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which her husband, Bill Clinton, had signed in to law.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -youth-su/

Poll: Only 1% of African Americans Support Trump
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/14/p ... nald-trump

Let's play!

Say one good thing about Trump and one about Clinton. Go.

Clinton seems to have, if taken at her word, made an about face in regards to minorities, gays, ect. Not long ago Clinton called black teens super predators,
laughed at the very idea of gay marriage, vowed to deport millions of 'illegals', ect. So I want to believe Clinton has edged toward a more progressive position

Trump...well, so far I give him that he's always been a unique figure on television and pop culture since the early 1980's. I give him the teflon Trump
ability to weather jaw dropping crisis and controversies that would sink the normal business person, celebrity or politician.

[seemslikeadream]

Let's play!

Say one good thing about Trump and one about Clinton. Go.

Trump destroyed the republican party (which is a very good thing) and tells the truth about himself when he doesn't know he is being taped or doesn't think someone will keep the tape ...telling the truth is a good thing

Hillary Clinton is not responsible for her husbands actions .....helped create the State Children's Health Insurance Program.
She took a leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders

[seemslikeadream]

Democrats and Republicans Agree: Donald Trump Was Wrong to Threaten Hillary Clinton With Jail


While some Trump supporters dismissed the Republican nominee’s remarks as a joke, members of both parties said such behavior would blatantly contradict the ideals of a democratic government. The jailing of political opponents has long been decried as antidemocratic throughout the world.

“Winning candidates don’t threaten to put opponents in jail. Presidents don’t threaten prosecution of individuals. Trump is wrong on this,” said Ari Fleischer, former White House Press Secretary for President George W. Bush.

“Be afraid of any candidate who says he will order DOJ/FBI to act on his command,” said Eric Holder, who served as Attorney General under President Obama. “This is dangerous/so is @realDonaldTrump-he’s not qualified.”
“In the USA we do not threaten to jail political opponents. @realDonaldTrump said he would. He is promising to abuse the power of the office,” Holder added.

43 Percent Of Americans Say Trump Should Withdraw From Presidential Race


Mike Pence cancels appearances tomorrow

[seemslikeadream]

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Katy Tur ‏@KatyTurNBC 2h2 hours ago
GOP state director calls debate "heartbreaking" and RNC backing Trump "embarrassing"

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Trip Gabriel ‏@tripgabriel 2h2 hours ago
Countries that put losing candidates in jail:
Iran
Russia
Gambia
Bahrain
Venezuela
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stuart stevens ‏@stuartpstevens 2h2 hours ago
Only time I've ever heard a candidate threatening to jail his opponent was in the Congo. He lost & was later convicted of war crimes.
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Eli Stokols ‏@EliStokols 2h2 hours ago
Trump...
1. Threw Pence under the bus on Syria
2. Threatened to jail Hillary
3. Admitted paying no taxes
= "much improved debate"
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stuart stevens ‏@stuartpstevens 2h2 hours ago
Trump defended Assad and Putin more than Governor Pence.

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S.E. Cupp ‏@secupp 3h3 hours ago
Wait wait. Trump has questioned Clinton's "stamina" and health for months. Now, "she doesn't give up, she doesn't quit." #debate
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[stickdog99]

Trump = "When you're Clintoned, you'll take it, and like it!"

[Nordic]

Did the media ever conduct a poll asking Americans how many think she should be disqualified for cheating the primary?

No.

Did they ever do a poll asking how many think she should be in jail for destroying the emails and smashing cell phones and hard drives with hammers?

No.

The Memory Hole is wide, deep, and voracious.

[stickdog99]

Let's play!

Say one good thing about Trump and one about Clinton. Go.

Trump exposed the Republican party's soul.

Clinton is not Trump.