R.I.P GOP The End Of A Republican Party

[Luther Blissett]

I mean, "they" always say that one grows more conservative as one grows older. A problem that the GOP faces today is that young people are overwhelmingly less conservative than the younger people in previous generations were.

For the first time in history, young people (under the age of 35 if I remember correctly) have a more favorable view of socialism than of capitalism for the first time in history. The majority of young people want capitalism replaced with a more humane system. That has never been expressed in the history of this amerikkkan experiment.

It won't make a difference because the "Property Party" will still exist. But, the ideology is dying out and young people are gunning to seize sovereignty from the powers that be.

[Wombaticus Rex]

But, the ideology is dying out and young people are gunning to seize sovereignty from the powers that be.

Damn, really? I see young people demanding more concessions from the powers that be, but they don't want "sovereignty."

They want a better social contract so they can be more comfortable in the consumer culture they love.

They want saviors.

[kelley]

that was bernie's role

the kindly uncle as crusading savior

for young people the family will always be the default social unit until something from without causes that dynamic to seriously unravel

(as if it isn't already)

[Luther Blissett]

That is false. They don't want a nanny state, they want collectivism.

[kelley]

that's not what i meant to suggest

if this will be the first generation to organize in its own self-interest and banish conflict from the collective that in itself will be an accomplishment

[stillrobertpaulsen]

The end of "A" Republican Party, probably. But just the beginning of "B" Republican Party = Bigotry Gone Apeshit!

[Novem5er]

When Trump loses horribly, which I believe he will, it will only deepen the split within the GOP. The business class will shake their fists and say I told you so, while the alt-right at the grassroots level are going to cry foul and only be more bitter. The Tea Party didn't go away, it got worse. The good news is that a fractured party will be a weak party, but that may be counteracted by the fact that the business Republicans are basically voting Democrat this year and will continue to infect it.

[dada]

They don't want a nanny state, they want collectivism.

I think it's a combination. They want a collective savior, with a better consumer contract.

And nanny culture sovereignty. With robot nannies.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

When Trump loses horribly, which I believe he will, it will only deepen the split within the GOP. The business class will shake their fists and say I told you so, while the alt-right at the grassroots level are going to cry foul and only be more bitter. The Tea Party didn't go away, it got worse. The good news is that a fractured party will be a weak party, but that may be counteracted by the fact that the business Republicans are basically voting Democrat this year and will continue to infect it.

I think your foresight is spot-on. The one positive thing that may come out of it (and that's being real optimistic) is that if the GOP and alt-right become two fractured parties, perhaps that might pave the way for IRV to come into being in the US. Then perhaps a party that is truly anti-deep state might gain strength.

[Novem5er]

When Trump loses horribly, which I believe he will, it will only deepen the split within the GOP. The business class will shake their fists and say I told you so, while the alt-right at the grassroots level are going to cry foul and only be more bitter. The Tea Party didn't go away, it got worse. The good news is that a fractured party will be a weak party, but that may be counteracted by the fact that the business Republicans are basically voting Democrat this year and will continue to infect it.

I think your foresight is spot-on. The one positive thing that may come out of it (and that's being real optimistic) is that if the GOP and alt-right become two fractured parties, perhaps that might pave the way for IRV to come into being in the US. Then perhaps a party that is truly anti-deep state might gain strength.

Thanks! I like what you said about IRV being more welcome. If one of the major parties completely crashes, then I could see a push for a new method of tabulating votes or assigning seats in the House (maybe an amendment is required?). I've said for a long time that our biggest problem in American politics is our FPTP voting system and winner-take-all system.

I think the worst-case scenario here, is that Clinton wins the presidency but the GOP retains control of Congress. Checks and Balances are nice, but it would further entrench both parties into the current system, awarding them appropriate victories, and changing absolutely nothing.

[OP ED]

But, the ideology is dying out and young people are gunning to seize sovereignty from the powers that be.

Damn, really? I see young people demanding more concessions from the powers that be, but they don't want "sovereignty."

They want a better social contract so they can be more comfortable in the consumer culture they love.

They want saviors.

They want both. They want to be the crowdsourced savior. They want to have their cake and eat it too. And they should. And they might even. Things work differently now and if the olde parties don't catch up sooner, they're going to be abandoned before they know what happened. Trump's rise is only a preview of viral politics.

[seemslikeadream]

The GOP tumbles toward anarchy: ‘It’s every person for himself or herself’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

When Trump went low, Steve Bannon found a new direction: Lower.
With Breitbart’s head honcho running the campaign, anything could happen. It just did.

[Nordic]

I can't believe we're having a conversation here, for real, about the "difference" in these 2 parties. Like they're not totally in on the game together.

But if you want to go there, you have to admit that there are now 2 Republican parties now. One of them is labeled "Democratic" but that is a lie and a joke.

We have 2 GOP's and a vacuum to the left of Nixonian politics.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

[Novem5er]

^^ Glenn Beck quasi-endorsed Hillary Clinton today and Paul Ryan has said he's 100% focusing on maintaining the House to act as a foil to a Clinton executive branch. Glenn Beck basically said the same thing, that a Clinton presidency can be countered through normal legal and political means. Neither of them endorse Hillary's platform (i.e. the wedge issue BS social parts), but they want her as president so they can work with her and oppose her (on those same wedge issues) while maintaining power themselves.

They are basically the same party, but the alt-right portion at the bottom (the old Tea Party, but now younger and more angry) is splitting off. Interesting time.

[Luther Blissett]

It is really not my experience working with, collaborating with, teaching, or organizing with millennials that they want more authority. I think they want the people to be the authority.

So DIY nannies at best.