Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[Novem5er]

Hillary Clinton in private emails with John Podesta talked of how Saudi Arabia and Qatar are financing ISIS.
Which is ironic, as Saudi Arabia has given tens of millions to the Clintons

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

While this military/para-military operation is moving >> forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence >> assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, >> which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and >> other radical Sunni groups in the region. This effort will be enhanced by >> the stepped up commitment in the KRG.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/10/hilla ... z4MjuTIjFJ

Ya def wont see Vice, Huffpo, DailyKos, Daily Beast, ect covering this

I saw this last night. It's kind of blowing my mind . . . not the realization of it (I think we already knew), but the confirmation of it on paper. How is France supposed to feel about this as they've been assaulted by ISIS-inspired jihadists? How are the Kurds supposed to feel about this as ISIS has captured and tortured their people? The Iraqi government as ISIS humiliated them and forced them to reconquer a third of their own country?

[Sounder]

dodger wrote...

To my dear Americans - really, what do you expect? What kind of person is required to lead a nation like yours? A nation that has hundreds of military bases scattered around the world to defend it's empire? That kills indiscriminately at home and abroad? That has almost divorced itself from physical conflict by using gadgets? That genuinely believes itself special and indespensible? That vastly outconsumes any other peoples? Where how many digits in your bank account defines whether you are a success or failure? That quite openly advocates doing whatever it takes to retain this status?

You are getting what you need, not what you want.

That is golden dodger. Americans of the left (RTP) and the right think that they are exceptional enough to determine who are the rightful leaders of any given country. This produces the hubris that will be the downfall of this empire as its duplicitous dealings discourage the vassals from holding to a hard line.

We turned our wants into needs long ago and now what we 'say' we want is seldom more than virtue signaling. Americans are sick. Hope we get well soon.


Yes Novem5er, duplicity rules the day.

[Belligerent Savant]

To my dear Americans - really, what do you expect? What kind of person is required to lead a nation like yours? A nation that has hundreds of military bases scattered around the world to defend it's empire? That kills indiscriminately at home and abroad? That has almost divorced itself from physical conflict by using gadgets? That genuinely believes itself special and indespensible? That vastly outconsumes any other peoples? Where how many digits in your bank account defines whether you are a success or failure? That quite openly advocates doing whatever it takes to retain this status?

You are getting what you need, not what you want.

Indeed.

Garbage In, Garbage Out, ay?

That is one thing you might've noticed I don't complain about: Politicians.


Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck.
But where do the people think these politicians come from?


They don't fall out of the sky.

They don't pass through a membrane from another reality.

They come from american parents and american families, american homes, american schools,
american churches, american businesses and american universities.

and they're elected by american citizens.

This is the best we can do, folks.


This is what we have to offer.

It's what our system produces

Garbage in, garbage out!

If you have selfish, ignorant citizens,

you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.

The term limits ain't gonna do any good;

you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans.

So maybe, maybe, maybe it's not the politicians who suck.

Maybe something else sucks around here.

Like... the public.

Yeah. The public sucks!

There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody.


"The public sucks, fuck hope!".

Fuck hope.

Because if it's really just the fault of these politicians
then where are all the other bright people of conscience?

(BSavant responds: they're perusing the message boards within the interwebs or better yet, OUT THERE ORGANIZING
-- there are a growing number of us out there REFUSING/RESISTING. That said, "bright people of conscience" will NEVER be permitted to succeed within the confines of this Machine, in any event. There is no alternative within THIS SYSTEM.)

Where are all the bright, honest, intelligent americans ready to
step in and save the Nation and lead the way?

We don't have people like that in this country;
everybody's (edit: Many are) at the mall, scratching his ass, picking his nose,

taking his credit card out of his fanny pack and buying a pair of sneakers with lights in them!


So I have solved this little political dilemma for myself in a very simple way

On election day... I stay home.

I don't vote. Fuck'em, fuck'em! I don't vote.

Two reasons, two reasons I don't vote:

First of all, it's meaningless.

This country was bought and sold and paid for a long time ago.

The shit they shuffle around every 4 years, *pfff*

doesn't mean a fucking thing.

And secondly I don't vote because I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain.

People like to twist that around, I know.

They say "Well, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain"; but where's the logic in that?

If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people and they get into office

and screw everything up... well, you are responsible for what they have done.

You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain.

I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who did not vote,

who in fact did not even leave the house on election day,

am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain

as long as I want about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.

So I know that a little later on this year you're going to have another of those
really swell presidential elections that you like so much,
you enjoy yourselves it'll be alot of fun.

I'm sure that as soon as the election is over your country will improve immediately.

As for me, I'll be home that day doing essentially the same thing as you.

The only difference is, when I get finished masturbating

I'm gonna have a little something to show for it folks.

[Nordic]

[Nordic]

You guys are totally misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying Jeffrey Dahmer is a worse choice than Brock Turner.

Understand yet?

I don't want either of them. But one is a serial killer and the other is a groper/assaulter (Trump not Turner. Turner is a rapist)

Would you rather have your head sawed off and stored in a fridge, or someone grabbing your ass?

Both are bad. One is worse.

Hmm...let me think. I remember standing at a drug store magazine rack when I was 12 and an older guy 'grabbed my ass'. I felt humiliated, degraded and at fault. If it happened in today's climate, I guess a healthy response would include "Phew, at least he didn't saw off my head."

Would you have preferred it if the drug store was suddenly obliterated by a cluster bomb, with you and everyone in it?

Is that literally what you're saying? You would have rather died right then and there and not had your ass grabbed?

Because that's what we're talking about here when I say one is awful but the other is serial-killer level awful.

It's not even a rhetorical question because it's what we're talking about when we discuss The badness of Hillary vs the badness of Trump.

[norton ash]

It's not even a rhetorical question because it's what we're talking about when we discuss The badness of Hillary vs the badness of Trump.

Not even a rhetorical question? Of course it's a rhetorical question, in the service of extending a very bad metaphor. Please let this 'a serial killer/cluster bomb is worse than experiencing a sexual assault' thing go. Thanks!

[Iamwhomiam]

^^^^ Yes. Please.

[JackRiddler]

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Long as we're being that dumb, how about we go to the classic: How many people did Hitler or his outfit murder before they came to power? Was it even a hundred? And half of those in street battles with the communists. How does that compare to Libya and the drone bomb count of the Secretary? So how could you not vote for Hitler over Clinton?!

Would you rather get roughed up by some gang of brownshirts screaming Sieg Heil and spend a few days in the hospital, or would you prefer your body be instantaneously shattered into flying pulp and bone that cuts the throat of your innocent grandmother? It's not even close! Give the man a chance, who knows what will happen?

Nordic, you do not do context.

That the police across the country will be fully unleashed, and the armed right extreme as well, that Trump can order 11 million people rounded up as an executive order without need for legislation (setting off ultra-violence throughout the country), that it will be open season on all resistance movements, and that all this will happen with full legitimacy because hey, he got a landslide of the self-loving moron demographic -- all this constantly either eludes you or is ignored.

Also, still the nonsense that he's more of a peace candidate, after all the times he said TAKE THEIR OIL and promised more arms race, after all the evident hate and violence directed at so many groups in society and so many countries, too. This is the guy who isn't going to sign off on a war plan? (And if he doesn't, the Republicans can get themselves a President Pence in a few days, given all the impeachable shit that Trump will provide.)

Persistent misinformation also helps, like 8bit's oft-repeated and embarrassing total falsehood that "Obama" (the present admin) "has killed far many more people than Bush" (the 2001-09 government). Correct yourself and heal, 8bit!

This is not actually about which person or party leadership is the lesser evil in some uncapturable essential way. Someone put it pithily in a comment I saw today:

"I'd much prefer the battleground that a Clinton administration would provide than the other options in the current election."

I would modify "options" to "possible winners," and encourage the few I might influence to vote for Stein. But it captures what I also keep saying: #IdRatherFightHer.

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[Nordic]

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Long as we're being that dumb, how about we go to the classic: How many people did Hitler or his outfit murder before they came to power? Was it even a hundred? And half of those in street battles with the communists. How does that compare to Libya and the drone bomb count of the Secretary? So how could you not vote for Hitler over Clinton?!

Would you rather get roughed up by some gang of brownshirts screaming Sieg Heil and spend a few days in the hospital, or would you prefer your body be instantaneously shattered into flying pulp and bone that cuts the throat of your innocent grandmother? It's not even close! Give the man a chance, who knows what will happen?

Nordic, you do not do context.

That the police across the country will be fully unleashed, and the armed right extreme as well, that Trump can order 11 million people rounded up as an executive order without need for legislation (setting off ultra-violence throughout the country), that it will be open season on all resistance movements, and that all this will happen with full legitimacy because hey, he got a landslide of the self-loving moron demographic -- all this constantly either eludes you or is ignored.

Also, still the nonsense that he's more of a peace candidate, after all the times he said TAKE THEIR OIL and promised more arms race, after all the evident hate and violence directed at so many groups in society and so many countries, too. This is the guy who isn't going to sign off on a war plan? (And if he doesn't, the Republicans can get themselves a President Pence in a few days, given all the impeachable shit that Trump will provide.)

Persistent misinformation also helps, like 8bit's oft-repeated and embarrassing total falsehood that "Obama" (the present admin) "has killed far many more people than Bush" (the 2001-09 government). Correct yourself and heal, 8bit!

This is not actually about which person or party leadership is the lesser evil in some uncapturable essential way. Someone put it pithily in a comment I saw today:

"I'd much prefer the battleground that a Clinton administration would provide than the other options in the current election."

I would modify "options" to "possible winners," and encourage the few I might influence to vote for Stein. But it captures what I also keep saying: #IdRatherFightHer.

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Hey. We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

Trump will get nowhere with his ideas. (This dystopian fascist nightmare you're fantasizing about just isn't gonna happen)

Hillary will get everything. She's gonna be Obama on steroids.

She'll get the war with Russia, she'll get the TPP.

Good luck.

[Nordic]

A couple of quotes from FBI whistleblower Colleen Rowley a little while ago on FB:

Nothing about our current political system is genuine. It is all rigged and corrupt. Amazing that so many people put their faith and trust in such a corrupt system. But that's the nature of groups. And we don't have too many other options. If nothing else, vote 3rd party. Obama's saying that a vote for 3rd party is a vote for Trump could not be further from the truth. A vote for a 3rd party is actually taking votes from Trump.

And it's looking like Killary may pick many female warhawks, i.e. Michele Flournoy for her Sec of War, Victoria Nuland for Sec of State and of course ole Samantha "Humanitarian Warrior" Power will be in there somewhere. I wrote about this problem of this disconnect between liberals' image of women as nurturing mothers, etc and the truth of the first women in male dominated jobs having to show they are "twice the man" i.e. twice as brutal, etc. It's a form of Napoleonic Complex and you see it in Hillary's "hard choices" title. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/coleen-ro ... 12297.html

[8bitagent]

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Long as we're being that dumb, how about we go to the classic: How many people did Hitler or his outfit murder before they came to power? Was it even a hundred? And half of those in street battles with the communists. How does that compare to Libya and the drone bomb count of the Secretary? So how could you not vote for Hitler over Clinton?!

Would you rather get roughed up by some gang of brownshirts screaming Sieg Heil and spend a few days in the hospital, or would you prefer your body be instantaneously shattered into flying pulp and bone that cuts the throat of your innocent grandmother? It's not even close! Give the man a chance, who knows what will happen?

Nordic, you do not do context.

That the police across the country will be fully unleashed, and the armed right extreme as well, that Trump can order 11 million people rounded up as an executive order without need for legislation (setting off ultra-violence throughout the country), that it will be open season on all resistance movements, and that all this will happen with full legitimacy because hey, he got a landslide of the self-loving moron demographic -- all this constantly either eludes you or is ignored.

Also, still the nonsense that he's more of a peace candidate, after all the times he said TAKE THEIR OIL and promised more arms race, after all the evident hate and violence directed at so many groups in society and so many countries, too. This is the guy who isn't going to sign off on a war plan? (And if he doesn't, the Republicans can get themselves a President Pence in a few days, given all the impeachable shit that Trump will provide.)

Persistent misinformation also helps, like 8bit's oft-repeated and embarrassing total falsehood that "Obama" (the present admin) "has killed far many more people than Bush" (the 2001-09 government). Correct yourself and heal, 8bit!

This is not actually about which person or party leadership is the lesser evil in some uncapturable essential way. Someone put it pithily in a comment I saw today:

"I'd much prefer the battleground that a Clinton administration would provide than the other options in the current election."

I would modify "options" to "possible winners," and encourage the few I might influence to vote for Stein. But it captures what I also keep saying: #IdRatherFightHer.

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Hey. We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

Trump will get nowhere with his ideas. (This dystopian fascist nightmare you're fantasizing about just isn't gonna happen)

Hillary will get everything. She's gonna be Obama on steroids.

She'll get the war with Russia, she'll get the TPP.

Good luck.

I'm bewildered and sad how we are starting to see a lot of my various social media feeds seeing the same Sanders leftists calling for investigations into Hillary Clinton, now vigorously supporting her...even after the insane amount of Wikileaks exposing the deep rabbit hole of corruption this week.

Now were all Pepe the Frog fascists for daring to say anything about Hillary...who is fully backed by the Bushes, neocons, Wall Street, Washington War Thing Tanks, ect. And yes, she and her neocon foreign policy advisors are openly saying they seek a "muscular" foreign policy that would dwarf even that of war criminal Barack Obama.
Hillary and her neocon think tanks seek nothing less than war with Russia, Iran, Assad, ect...which means World War 3.

[coffin_dodger]

dodger wrote...

To my dear Americans - really, what do you expect? What kind of person is required to lead a nation like yours? A nation that has hundreds of military bases scattered around the world to defend it's empire? That kills indiscriminately at home and abroad? That has almost divorced itself from physical conflict by using gadgets? That genuinely believes itself special and indespensible? That vastly outconsumes any other peoples? Where how many digits in your bank account defines whether you are a success or failure? That quite openly advocates doing whatever it takes to retain this status?

You are getting what you need, not what you want.

That is golden dodger. Americans of the left (RTP) and the right think that they are exceptional enough to determine who are the rightful leaders of any given country. This produces the hubris that will be the downfall of this empire as its duplicitous dealings discourage the vassals from holding to a hard line.

We turned our wants into needs long ago and now what we 'say' we want is seldom more than virtue signaling. Americans are sick. Hope we get well soon.

Yes Novem5er, duplicity rules the day.

If you take this a little further - consider immigration.

Assuming you can come to terms with the reality of what your country is, how it projects itself and the jingoism required to sustain that status - consider what kind of people, from other countries, are going to be attracted to live in that environment. I'm not talking about refugees that are simply blessedly relieved to be away from the unremitting spectre of violent death, but the people that consciously decide that the US is the place for them to live.

It's little wonder things are falling apart, really - pile enough people who consider ours a 'dog eat dog' world into the same space and eventually a real-life horror show beckons.

[Sounder]

Well i suppose that warmongers never can be environmentalists anyway.

More at link;

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/cli ... -theworld/

Earlier this year, we obtained emails from Clinton aides discussing plans to make Poland a “laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country.” The emails also revealed efforts to partner with energy companies such as Chevron and Marathon Oil.

Starting early in her tenure as Secretary of State, Clinton traveled the globe encouraging foreign countries to adopt fracking technology. Clinton has both publicly and privately explained that she views fracking, under the right circumstances, as the most environmentally sound method of transitioning away from other fossil fuels such as oil and coal. She has also said that fracking can make the U.S. and other nations energy independent, a foreign policy goal that may weaken gas exporting countries such as Russia.

But in private, Clinton also asserted that there is a conspiracy of Russian-funded groups attempting to suppress fracking development. During a speech to a group in Canada called tinePublic, Clinton claimed that there are “phony environmental groups” that are “funded by the Russians to stand against” fracking.

[JackRiddler]

Trump will get nowhere with his ideas. (This dystopian fascist nightmare you're fantasizing about just isn't gonna happen)

Concede this much: It's not the "dystopian fascist nightmare" I am fantasizing about. It is the one Trump "fantasizes" about, publicly, speaking from the podium, every day.

EDIT: It's also what his supporters fantasize about. Including the cop unions who want their members to stop being "handcuffed."

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[seemslikeadream]

Nordic » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:31 pm[/url]"]Trump will get nowhere with his ideas. (This dystopian fascist nightmare you're fantasizing about just isn't gonna happen)

tell that to Steve Bannon........his people are not going away

he will have his own TV network to go with his new U.S. political party

Alex Jones on steroids