Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:31 pm

In the Democratic Echo Chamber, Inconvenient Truths Are Recast as Putin Plots

DONALD TRUMP, FOR reasons I’ve repeatedly pointed out, is an extremist, despicable, and dangerous candidate, and his almost-certain humiliating defeat is less than a month away. So I realize there is little appetite in certain circles for critiques of any of the tawdry and sometimes fraudulent journalistic claims and tactics being deployed to further that goal. In the face of an abusive, misogynistic, bigoted, scary, lawless authoritarian, what’s a little journalistic fraud or constant fearmongering about subversive Kremlin agents between friends if it helps to stop him?

But come January, Democrats will continue to be the dominant political faction in the U.S. — more so than ever — and the tactics they are now embracing will endure past the election, making them worthy of scrutiny. Those tactics now most prominently include dismissing away any facts or documents that reflect negatively on their leaders as fake, and strongly insinuating that anyone who questions or opposes those leaders is a stooge or agent of the Kremlin, tasked with a subversive and dangerously un-American mission on behalf of hostile actors in Moscow.

To see how extreme and damaging this behavior has become, let’s just quickly examine two utterly false claims that Democrats over the past four days — led by party-loyal journalists — have disseminated and induced thousands of people, if not more, to believe. On Friday, WikiLeaks published its first installment of emails obtained from the account of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta. Despite WikiLeaks’ perfect, long-standing record of only publishing authentic documents, MSNBC’s favorite ex-intelligence official, Malcolm Nance, within hours of the archive’s release, posted a tweet claiming — with zero evidence and without citation to a single document in the WikiLeaks archive — that it was compromised with fakes:
Malcolm Nance ✔ @MalcolmNance
Official Warning: #PodestaEmails are already proving to be riddled with obvious forgeries & #blackpropaganda not even professionally done. https://twitter.com/semenovaka/status/7 ... 3056332801
7:43 PM - 7 Oct 2016


As you can see, more than 4,000 people have re-tweeted this “Official Warning.” That includes not only random Clinton fans but also high-profile Clinton-supporting journalists, who by spreading it around gave this claim their stamp of approval, intentionally leading huge numbers of people to assume the WikiLeaks archive must be full of fakes, and its contents should therefore simply be ignored. Clinton’s campaign officials spent the day fueling these insinuations, strongly implying that the documents were unreliable and should thus be ignored. Poof: Just like that, unpleasant facts about Hillary Clinton disappeared, like a fairy protecting frightened children by waving her magic wand and sprinkling her dust over a demon, causing it to scatter away.

Except the only fraud here was Nance’s claim, not any of the documents published by WikiLeaks. Those were all real. Indeed, at Sunday night’s debate, when asked directly about the excerpts of her Wall Street speeches found in the release, Clinton herself confirmed their authenticity. And news outlets such as the New York Times and AP reported — and continue to report — on their contents without any caveat that they may be frauds. No real print journalists or actual newsrooms (as opposed to campaign operatives masquerading as journalists) fell for this scam, so this tactic did not prevent reporting from being done.

But it did signal to Clinton’s most devoted followers to simply ignore the contents of the release. Anyone writing articles about what these documents revealed was instantly barraged with claims from Democrats that they were fakes, by people often pointing to “articles” like this one.

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That article was shared almost 22,000 times on Facebook alone. In Nance’s defense, it is true that some unknown, random person posted a doctored email on the internet and claimed it was real, but that did not come from the WikiLeaks archive and has nothing to do with assessing the reliability of the archive (any more than fake NYT stories on the internet impugn the reliability of articles in that paper). Not one person has identified even a single email or document released by WikiLeaks of questionable authenticity — that includes all of the Clinton officials whose names are listed as their authors and recipients — yet these journalists and “experts” deliberately convinced who knows how many people to believe a fairy tale: that WikiLeaks’ archive is pervaded with forgeries.



MORE INSIDIOUS AND subtle, but even worse, was what Newsweek and its Clinton-adoring writer Kurt Eichenwald did last night. What happened — in reality, in the world of facts — was extremely trivial. One of the emails in the second installment of the WikiLeaks/Podesta archive — posted yesterday — was from Sidney Blumenthal to Podesta. The sole purpose of Blumenthal’s email was to show Podesta one of Eichenwald’s endless series of Clinton-exonerating articles, this one about Benghazi. So in the body of the email to Podesta, Blumenthal simply pasted the link and the full contents of the article. Although the purpose of Eichenwald’s article (like everything he says and does) was to defend Clinton, one paragraph in the middle acknowledged that one minor criticism of Clinton on Benghazi was possibly rational.

Once WikiLeaks announced that this second email batch was online, many news organizations (including The Intercept, along with the NYT and AP) began combing through them to find relevant information and then published articles about them. One such story was published by Sputnik, the Russian government’s international outlet similar to RT, which highlighted that Blumenthal email. But the Sputnik story inaccurately attributed the text of the Newsweek article to Blumenthal, thus suggesting that one of Clinton’s closest advisers had expressed criticism of her on Benghazi. Sputnik quickly removed the article once Eichenwald pointed out that the words were his, not Blumenthal’s. Then, in his campaign speech last night, Trump made reference to the Sputnik article (hours after it was published and spread on social media), claiming (obviously inaccurately) that even Blumenthal had criticized Clinton on Benghazi.

That’s all that happened. There is zero suggestion in the article, let alone evidence, that any WikiLeaks email was doctored: It wasn’t. It was just Sputnik misreporting the email. Once Sputnik realized that its article misattributed the text to Blumenthal, it took it down. It’s not hard to imagine how a rushed, careless Sputnik staffer could glance at that email and fail to realize that Blumenthal was forwarding Eichenwald’s article rather than writing it himself. And while nobody knows how this erroneous Sputnik story made its way to Trump for him to reference in his speech, it’s very easy to imagine how a Trump staffer on a shoddy, inept campaign — which has previously cited InfoWars and white supremacist sites, among others — would have stumbled into a widely shared Sputnik story that had been published hours earlier on the internet and then passed it along to Trump for him to highlight, without realizing the reasons to be skeptical.

In any event, based on the available evidence, this is a small embarrassment for Trump: He cited an erroneous story from a non-credible Russian outlet, so it’s worth noting. But that’s not what happened. Eichenwald, with increasing levels of hysteria, manically posted no fewer than three dozen tweets last night about his story, each time escalating his claims of what it proved. By the time he was done, he had misled large numbers of people into believing that he found proof that: 1) the documents in the WikiLeaks archive were altered; 2) Russia put forgeries into the WikiLeaks archive; 3) Sputnik knew about the WikiLeaks archive ahead of time, before it was posted online; 4) WikiLeaks coordinated the release of the documents with the Russian government; and 5) the Russian government and the Trump campaign coordinated to falsely attribute Eichenwald’s words to Blumenthal.

In fact, Eichenwald literally has zero evidence for any of that. The point is not that his evidence for these propositions is inconclusive or unpersuasive; the point is that there is zero evidence for any of it. It’s all just conspiracy theorizing and speculation that he invented. Worse, the article, while hinting at these claims and encouraging readers to believe them, does not even expressly claim any of those things. Instead, Eichenwald’s increasingly unhinged tweets repeatedly inflated his insignificant story from what it was — a misattribution of an email by Sputnik that Trump repeated — into a five-alarm warning that an insidious Russian plot to subvert U.S. elections had been proven, with Trump and fake WikiLeaks documents at the center.

BY ITSELF, THIS is not so notable: All journalists are tempted to hype their stories. But Eichenwald went way, way beyond that, including — as demonstrated below — demonstrable lies. But what makes it so significant is how many reasoned, perfectly smart journalists — just as they did with Nance’s “Official Warning” — started falling prey to the dual hysteria of Twitter group dynamics and election blinders, to the point where CNN featured Eichenwald this morning to highlight his major scoop linking Putin, Trump, and WikiLeaks in the plot to feed Americans heaps of Russian disinformation.

Just watch how this warped narrative played out in a very short period of time, with nobody wanting to get in the way of the speeding train for fear of being castigated as a Trump supporter or Putin stooge (accusations that are — yet again — inevitably on their way as a result of this article):
Kurt Eichenwald ✔ @kurteichenwald
Folks: Wikileaks is compromised. Russia knew exactly where to look to take my words & put them in HRC friend's mouth http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
7:59 PM - 10 Oct 2016


Kurt Eichenwald ✔ @kurteichenwald
Russia govnt falsified an email. Then Trump recited the falsified email at a rally. Only those two knew it. How? http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
10:47 PM - 10 Oct 2016


Kurt Eichenwald ✔ @kurteichenwald
I like my Russian propaganda the old-fashioned way - uttered by Moscow, not by the GOP nominee for President http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
10:51 PM - 10 Oct 2016


Kurt Eichenwald ✔ @kurteichenwald
Disinformation from Russian govnt ONLY appeared on govnt controled news. Trump recited as fact. Where did he get it? http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
10:03 PM - 10 Oct 2016


Kurt Eichenwald ✔ @kurteichenwald
Russian govnt: Ur screw up with my piece proves ur engaged in cyberwar to upend US election. America will fight back http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
8:07 PM - 10 Oct 2016


Kurt Eichenwald ✔ @kurteichenwald
There is no better proof that @wikileaks is part of a Russian operation than Putin putting my words in others mouth. http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
8:01 PM - 10 Oct 2016


Kurt Eichenwald ✔ @kurteichenwald
Anyone who doubts wikileaks is working w/ Putin: read how my words falsely became those of a Clinton confidante. http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
7:52 PM - 10 Oct 2016


To call all this overwrought deceit is to understate the case. In particular, the repeated claim that his story has anything to do with, let alone demonstrates, that “wikileaks is working w/Putin” or “wikileaks is compromised” is an outright fraud. The assertion in the second tweet — that “only those two [Trump and Russia] knew” about the article — is an outright lie, since by the time Trump cited it, it had been published hours earlier on the internet and shared widely on social media. Moreover, none of the documents released by WikiLeaks have yet to be identified as anything but completely authentic.

But look at his tweets: Each has been re-tweeted by close to 1,000 people, and in the case of the most sensationalistic ones, many more. And they were quickly hyped by people who should know better because anyone supporting Hillary Clinton wants to believe that this is true:
Kevin Roose ✔ @kevinroose
I can't believe we're not collectively making a bigger deal about Russian state interference in a US election. http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
10:56 PM - 10 Oct 2016


Been uncertain about trusting #Wikileaks emails? Here's one indicator that you've been right to be wary. https://t.co/JTIIzWN87h

— Diane Duane (@dduane) October 11, 2016


Paul Krugman ✔ @paulkrugman
Trump now directly repeating Russian propaganda too ludicrous for Breitbart. Who's feeding it to him? http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635
7:43 AM - 11 Oct 2016


Matt O'Brien ✔ @ObsoleteDogma
4. As @kurteichenwald points out, at least one of the hacked emails has been doctored to make Hillary look worse.
11:57 PM - 10 Oct 2016


Georg Kleine @GeorgKleine
This is why you should never believe anything coming from Russia and/or WikiLeaks. And why it's dumb to quote them: http://europe.newsweek.com/vladimir-put ... 8635?rm=eu
1:08 AM - 11 Oct 2016


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Russsia leaked hacked emails but created forgeries first plagiarizing a reporter. Only Russian news posted the lie. Yet, @realDonaldTrump… https://t.co/mGizfPpHWF

— Chris Sacca (@sacca) October 11, 2016


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Literally none of that happened. Or at least there is zero evidence that it did. These are smart, rational people falling for a scam. Why? It’s in part because Twitter fosters this group-think and lack of critical thought — you just click a button and, with little effort, you’ve spread whatever you want people to believe — but it’s also because they’re so convinced of the righteousness of their cause (electing Clinton/defeating Trump) that they have cast all limits and constraints to the side, believing that any narrative or accusation or smear, no matter how false or conspiratorial, is justified in pursuit of it.

But while Donald Trump’s candidacy poses grave dangers, so does group-think righteousness, particularly when it engulfs those with the greatest influence. The problem is that none of this is going to vanish after the election. This election-year machine that has been constructed based on elite unity in support of Clinton — casually dismissing inconvenient facts as fraudulent to make them disappear, branding critics and adversaries as tools or agents of an Enemy Power bent on destroying America — is a powerful one. As is seen here, it is capable of implanting any narrative, no matter how false; demonizing any critic, no matter how baseless; and riling up people to believe they’re under attack.

For a long time, liberals heralded themselves as part of the “reality-based community” and derided conservatives as faith-based victims of “epistemic closure.” The dynamics seen here are anything but byproducts of reason.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:47 pm

oh so Wiki doesn't like selective


too fucking bad ...they are selective in what they leak
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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby 0_0 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:48 pm

What do you peoples think of Sargon of Akkad?

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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:49 pm

I'm telling you, with a little effort you could collect on Trump and file it on through to them.

I don't think they're hiding info on Trump that's being handed to them.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:54 pm

Luther Blissett » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:49 pm wrote:I'm telling you, with a little effort you could collect on Trump and file it on through to them.

I don't think they're hiding info on Trump that's being handed to them.


I am not a hacker.....there's plenty of hackers out there

don't tell me no one has hacked anything on Trump and that Wiki doesn't have anything to leak on him..that's ridicules


What have they leaked on Trump?


I can't believe they don't have anything on Trump...that's insane

thousands and thousands of Clinton docs hacked ...but not one thing on Trump ....how interesting
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:25 pm

It all depends upon what others have given them. Unless you're extremely in the know it's impossible to tell what's been collected by whom and where it is.

I think those in possession of Trump leaks are probably much less afeared of the traditional mainstream institutional means of releasing information. Any media outfit would be thrilled for anything salacious. Not so with Clinton. The Fourth Estate is there to protect the imperialist candidate and any dissension from the left is met with hostility. (begrugingly I guess "dissension" from "the right" might be treated the same way but we all know who those types would be and what their motivations are) Wikileaks is supposed to be for dissident whistleblowers, not those with the backing of so much Western power and Wall Street money.

I'm all for continuing to embarrass the Trump campaign.

Let's say you got someone prominent within your target's campaign's business email addresses from one of her numerous DC gigs and posed as someone she might be tangentially associated with through a new gmail account. Hypothetically let's say you wrote, for instance, a small snippet of PHP code that runs a script to gather keystrokes, or, maybe, resets a password. Hypothetically maybe you embed the executable script in an old filetype that behaves like an image, or embed it directly into a PDF of a Wall Street Journal or other sympathetic conservative media outlet and deliver it to her. Or perhaps hypothetically maybe you would be inclined or motivated to just straight up phish her with something realistic-looking. English is your first language and you are crafty.

Skip forward a couple steps. I can assure you that you can feel safe enough to pass them on to the Washington Post and everyone involved will protect your anonymity.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:36 pm

Sargon sounds extremely credible. We are at a precarious juncture.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:51 pm

But of course, everyone here at RI knows all these things about Clinton. They've been documented here for years.

The fear of the implications that arise by admitting these things to ourselves is almost overwhelming.

But change must come. It's overdue.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:55 pm

coffin_dodger » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:36 pm wrote:Sargon sounds extremely credible. We are at a precarious juncture.


You actually watched that, coffin_dodger?

Sargon's been dead for more than 2,000 years; how's that for credibility?

Times are always precarious.




edited to correctly identify coffin_dodger, who I mistakenly named conniption. Again. Sorry.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:11 pm

Enjoy your future, Iam. I say that with maximum irony.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:26 pm

I always enjoy my future, coffin_dodger, that is, until someone wishes me dead.
And then I pray for their wellbeing.

And feel better.

Besides, I don't really pay much attention to most dead tyrants or living prophets.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:34 pm

0_0 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:48 pm wrote:What do you peoples think of Sargon of Akkad?



FFS! :)) I was just watching that earlier :mrgreen: He's great isn't he?

I have been meaning to write a mapping post about the whole Youtube "shitlord" scene.
Kind of rationalist, critical thinking, atheist, satirical... some love to offend especially SJWs
The quality of their clear thinking versus some of their opponents is a delight to see.

I still class myself in the lower left libertarian and socialist quadrant - so does Sargon and many of the people in that scene FWIW.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby dada » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:50 pm

It makes me sad when I see smart people tweeting. It's like they're on meth, and there's nothing I can do but watch them ruin themselves.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Nordic » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:18 pm

dada » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:50 pm wrote:It makes me sad when I see smart people tweeting. It's like they're on meth, and there's nothing I can do but watch them ruin themselves.


That would make a great tweet.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:37 pm

Turns out, you were right.

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