Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:07 pm

lyrimal » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:12 pm wrote:"Rape culture" and bemoaning men's rights are excellent examples of the left I was referencing, seemingly oblivious to its sneering, divisive naivite, and more widespread than some DC neoliberal echo chamber


My step-daughter did an entire thesis on rape culture on college campuses. My friend got stuck on the side of the highway today and reported that all five of the men who stopped to help her freaked her out because of rape culture - because she's actually been sexually assaulted by a man who was posing as someone sympathetic in her life. If we want to stop hearing about rape culture we just have to stop rape culture.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:07 pm

To what cabinet position do you think Clinton will appoint her friend Trump?
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby brekin » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:14 pm

I'm just not seeing what is so damaging about the Wikileaks of Clinton.
Am I missing something? I haven't read everything, but the highlights seem pretty tepid standard politico shit.
Is there something that the public needs to know that they aren't?
That she has private and public opinions on things? (Who doesn't?)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... wikileaks/

Basically the most damaging thing about it is just the, dare I say, keyword-matching of "Wikileaks-Clinton-Emails-Scandal".

The funny thing is Trump is being haunted from decades worth of rank material, where HRC is getting a pass on Mena, Bill, WhiteWater, etc. but all this recent froth just seems like going through her trash and finding out she eats cheetos occasionally, whereas the skeletons in the closet don't even get a light dusting.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby lyrimal » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:11 pm

First, Dada and Luther, thank you both for efficiently reinforcing my point.

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Next topic, Wikileaks be wheeling and dealing behind the scenes. Will not be surprised to witness the Wikileaks phenomenom transform, and Assange stroll on out of Mini Ecuador. I mean, thanks for the DNC leaks, but even they weren't that incriminating. We know there's worse about that clusterfuck, and yet Wikileaks didn't proffer anything amounting to more than impartiality... One of my favorites of the latest leaks, getting plenty of press, presnts a Hillary that suspects Saudi and Qatari support of ISIS, as if Clinton had no hand in that destabilizing process. Seems to be their MO, be ambiguous as possible to maintain continual negotiations with those you appear to target. Wikileaks is pay-to-play.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:29 pm

lyrimal » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:11 pm wrote:First, Dada and Luther, thank you both for efficiently reinforcing my point.

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Welcome to the Women’s Locker Room

Dear Straight White Men,

“Telling it like it is” seems to be something many of you prize highly right now. Some of you have gone on record saying you are delighted that one of our Presidential candidates is a real man’s man, not afraid to say whatever he likes. Some of you are unfazed by his “locker-room talk.” Some of you think “rape culture” is a meaningless phrase whipped up by histrionic women just to irritate you. Some of you doubt the concept of white privilege, and many of you bristle at the need for the Black Lives Matter movement, despite the fact that the sanctity of your white male life has never once been in question in what is the United States of America. Trump’s not helping you understand this, either: No matter how “annoyed” you are by this election, you (and he) are not victims of politics or circumstance. In fact, you are the single demographic he has yet to threaten or menace directly. The guy’s got his own back and yours—if no one else’s—and some of you really seem to appreciate being part of the Trump “tell it like it is” club.

Since many of you straight white men seem to enjoy Trump’s approach, I’ll tell it like it is, too—just for you. But first I’ll tell it like it was. And then I’ll tell it like it will always be, for me, a woman. Don’t get your boxer-briefs all in a wad. This is just some locker-room talk for you. You can handle that, right?

Welcome to the women’s locker room:

I was 11 when a nun at my Catholic school demanded that all the boys in the room raise their hands and promise they would never, ever, ever let any girl they knew get an abortion. Every little boy in that room raised his hand while the girls bowed their heads in shame that we did not understand and could not articulate. This was math class.

I was 13 when a new girl arrived from California. I heard she did things with her mouth to groups of my male classmates in the woods near the school. I thought badly of her and steered clear. It did not occur to me to doubt the veracity of this gossip, or wonder about the morality of my male classmates, who happily spread these rumors.

I was 14 when the husband of my mother’s best friend insisted on driving me home after I babysat his children. Once the car was in motion, he slid his hand up the inside of my thigh to the cuff of my shorts. I pressed myself against the car door and wondered if I should open it and jump out at 55 mph, into six lanes of northbound traffic, before his hand went any higher.

I was 16 when a boy laughed in my face, “Oops, I guess I slipped” after penetrating me without my consent. If you go by the biological definition, that was my first time. I was also 16 when he body-slammed me against a second-floor bannister and held me by my hips as I dangled headfirst over his stairs, taunting me that he could let go, if he wanted to, and watch my skull smash. He thought this was good fun.

I was 17 when a boy I did not know at a teen dance club pulled me down onto his lap and shoved his hand up my skirt, jamming his fingers into my vagina as I struggled to get away from him. We were surrounded by people, who watched the struggle but did nothing. Later I bled.

I was 17 when a boy from a nice Catholic college prep school took my head in his hands, held me down, and forced his penis into my mouth in a parked car. I was afraid of what would happen if I fought back. I had never heard of a girl refusing to do this. We girls—as far as I knew—had to do this, or there would be worse repercussions.

I was 17 when a strange man cut through our yard and scaled the side of our house so he could peer through my bedroom window and watch me getting changed for bed. “Beautiful body,” he hissed through my screen, his mouth and voice and unseen person two feet away from my naked body. I screamed and fell onto my bedroom floor and crawled nude into the hallway, clutching a bed sheet. My father and brother ran outside, where they found huge footprints in the mud. The police estimated size 13, size 14 men’s. The cops said there was nothing they could do, the man could have been watching me for a while, would probably still be watching. To this day, doctors and lovers alike are surprised by my inability to fall asleep at night without medication.

I was 18 when one of my college classmates shoved me against a wall outside and forced his hand into my pants, telling me he “knew I wanted it.” I did not. When a friend began dating him, I warned her. She stopped talking to me.

I was 19 when I told my first college boyfriend I had been date-raped multiple times. He recoiled and told me, “I feel like I’m trying to love a used Jenn.” I wound up comforting him as he cried and trying to assure him I was still good enough and pure enough for him. I felt the same dirty shame I’d felt at 11, and hadn’t yet understood.

I was 21 when a leering man crossed the street at midnight to approach me as I walked my dogs. The dogs were my voice that night, and barked menacingly at him until he crossed the street again and slid into the darkness. I could not speak; I had lost my voice and was trembling violently.
I was 22 when a college friend was kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered—after her car broke down on a Midwest interstate in broad daylight. She had been traveling alone.

I was 39 when a good friend of the man I was dating told me (on a double date) that he couldn't stop picturing me with a ball gag in my mouth and how nice I would look bent over his kitchen table, or hog-tied. His wife and my date acted like this was perfectly normal dinner conversation. I asked him to stop talking to me. He continued an obscene litany of the things he wanted to do to me, even after the waitress delivered a plate of sweet potato fries for the table to share. I felt sick and left the table to go to the bathroom. The man followed me, then seized me from behind in the middle of the crowded bar. He groped my breasts and violently dry-humped me. When I fought him off—with no help from the bar patrons all around me—I told my date I was leaving and explained why. Despite having witnessed his friend’s revolting sexual threats all evening, my date doubted what I was saying. As we left the bar, my date sighed with great disappointment that I was going to make his friendship “awkward” if I persisted in my claims.

I am 46. I still cannot sleep on the first floor of a building. I cannot sleep next to a window. I cannot shower without the door locked. I look over my shoulder constantly wherever I go. I look under my car before I climb into it at night. I lock my car doors immediately upon entering the vehicle. I am deathly afraid of groups of teenage boys. I shudder when I have to walk through or by groups of men. I hold my breath as I pass men on running or hiking trails, then sprint for my life until they are far from sight, my heart pounding. I have recurring dreams in which I am being chased and assaulted. When I ask for help in these dreams, if I can find my voice in these dreams (sometimes I am mute there too from fear), no help will come. All around me there are dead eyes, observing me coolly, with no pity.
The dead eyes are set in white male faces.

I do not know how to teach my daughters how to feel safe, because I do not know how to feel safe. “Safe” is not a default mode for me. Ever since I have had breasts, I have felt unsafe. That is 36 years of feeling unsafe on a daily basis, if you like numbers.

The people who have sexually assaulted me or threatened me have all been—with the one unknown of the stalker in my bedroom window—straight white men. I have never encountered “a Mexican rapist.” I have never been assaulted in the ladies’ room at Target by a trans person. I have never been groped by a black man or a gay man (or a gay woman, for that matter).

Do you hear me? I am afraid of you. I am afraid of no one but you.

My story is remarkable for one reason alone: my story is unremarkable. My story is not unique, not in the slightest. Almost every woman I know has been sexually assaulted or raped or abused by a man in her lifetime. Please let that sink in, if you can. Almost every woman I know. How is this possible? This is possible because some men continue to 1) assault, rape and abuse women or 2) ignore the stories of women who have been assaulted, raped or abused or 3) refuse to speak out against men who assault, rape and abuse.
Many of the straight white men I watch on TV during this vile circus act of a political cycle are defending Trump in ways that defy logic and basic decency. I marvel at those who can shrug off Trump’s admission to sexual assault as typical male banter. In fact, I am not sure if this apologist approach is more demeaning to women, or the men who espouse it. Although this letter is for those straight white men, they will not read it. However, if you are a straight white man in the United States, and you are still reading this, I thank you. I’d like you to do more than read this, though: I’d like you to use your voice. I’d like you to amplify mine and those of the women all around me and those of the women across the globe. My “telling it like it is” is absolutely nothing compared to what some women have to say. Sexual violence is not a one-moment event for the one who survives it. It can’t be “acid-washed” or explained away. The act or acts of sexual abuse and sexual violence live on in the fear that coils around your spine, constricts your heart, and pollutes your dreams at night. This is also how it is.

Straight white men—those of you who realize that Donald Trump denigrated you, too, by welcoming you into his mythical and abhorrent locker room; those of you who are horrified that Donald Trump has insinuated that you will agree with him that boys will be boys; those of you who are repulsed by the concept that any suggested or actual sexual violence should be forgiven with a nod and a wink—I need you to speak. I need you to raise your voice, because no matter how loud I speak, no matter how loud any woman is speaking right now, straight white men are still dominating the discussion. So I need to you to do something—anything—because I am at a loss for how to be heard in a world where a man can admit on tape to “grabbing pussy” with no thought of consent and still be considered the champion of “regular guys.”

Surely a majority of straight white men cannot believe this is truly acceptable behavior for anyone—let alone a Presidential candidate. But now I don’t know, because on and on it goes, with no abatement. Straight white men who are still reading this, can I tell you something? I feel more unsafe than ever. Do you hear me? I feel more unsafe than ever.

If you speak, my straight white male friends, you will be heard. If that’s not privilege, I don't know what is. Allow yourself to be humbled by this privilege. Please be aware of this privilege, and use it well. Defy this disgusting “locker room” myth, and teach your sons to do the same. Challenge those who dismiss rape culture loudly and often. Because I can tell you, my voice is not being heard. The women I know are not being heard. My daughters are coming of age in a world full of men who leer and grope and objectify women without shame and without consequences.

Please have the courage to tell it like it is, for someone else. Because this is how it is for me and many, many other women. I hope you take my word for it this time. Donald Trump may be grabbing for my pussy, but your humanity is far more at risk.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby OP ED » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:17 pm

Almost all of my straight white male friends are here actually. The majority of my interactions are with lesbians, oddly enough, but that's the culture where my wife works and most of my friends are her friends.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby dada » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:59 pm

lyrimal » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:11 pm wrote:First, Dada and Luther, thank you both for efficiently reinforcing my point.


Oh, don't stop there. I think you should keep going. Educate us.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:23 pm

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They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:33 pm

Luther Blissett » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:07 am wrote:To what cabinet position do you think Clinton will appoint her friend Trump?


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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:32 am

Novem5er » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:08 am wrote:
8bitagent » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:17 am wrote:So please, let me get this straight. And please correct me where I am wrong.

So Hillary Clinton, who gets tens of millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia(who helped engineer 9/11 and finances ISIS according to even Clinton emails),
whose married to a serial rapist and who's top right hand woman Huma Abedin is married to a pedophile pervert, is able to get away with the INSANE
tidal wave of corruption being exposed by Wikileaks because of her husband's golfing buddy Trump being covered 24-7 by the news media.
While the entire so called "leftist" alt media(Huffpo, Dailybeast, Raw Story, ect) colludes with the Clinton campaign and media to BURY and BLACKLIST
any negative or Wikileaks stories about Clinton

As Clinton is BACKED by the majority of neocons, and the Bush family. And Wall Street, whom wikileaks shows shes truly in the pocket of.

Yeah...and Im a bad "leftist" for opposing this woman who is sworn to bring us toward world war with Russia, and who cheated the last decent politician(Bernie Sanders)

Have at it SLAD and company, Hillary is as bad as Bush/Cheney...but may end up proving to be even worse than those jackals


I love it! My friends and family are hard-core pushing Hillary right now, even when 4 months ago they were booing and hissing at her name (being Sanders supporters). The specter of Trump and of a Republican White House is too much for them. They are now completely blinded to anything negative about Clinton. These same people hated Bush and everything he stood for, but when a news article comes out that the Bushs are supporting Clinton, they wave it around like a banner to be proud of - not because they suddenly love Bush, but because it's another sign of how terrible Trump is. Funny, I'd have thought that G.W. Bush endorsing a candidate would be a bad thing?! Not in this new form of Liberal politics.

I do have to disagree with the Wikileaks blackout, though . . . I get what 8bitagent is saying. The media is not FOCUSING on the wikileaks stories at all, but they are present. CNN has had wikileaks stories on top of its website, but it's one little link out of 25, while Trump gets a big picture on top and 5 articles and opinion pieces. The Wikileaks stuff is there for posterity, but its almost an afterthought. Fox News (curse their name!) actually have a few more Wikileaks stories at the top of their page, competing with Trump for space. There is definite bias regarding the Wikileaks stories, but it's not a complete blackout.

But it doesn't matter. The core Democrats I've talked to read the Wikileaks stuff and their response is "I'm still not seeing the corruption". And they are correct . . . there is no criminal evidence that would hold up in a court. The Clintons and their team are too smart about that stuff, though. It's not corruption like Blagovich selling Senate seats (and recording phone conversations about it!). It's the insider corruption and convolution of connected people, the media and political elite, that the alt-right has (correctly) rallied against, but has become acceptable in Democratic circles.


I actually thought there'd be more of a split in the Democrats, but I guess Bill Clinton's golfing buddy Trump played the perfect wind-up toy spoiler. Cuz now it seems the majority of the "progressives" are adamantly in the Pro Clinton camp. I find it naive for people to think Sander's progressive wish lists will be at all a focus under a Clinton regime.

The coverup of Clinton's corruption being exposed crosses so deep, apparently the Obama regime is now mulling over massive cyber attacks across Russia meant to provoke Putin.
But this election solidifies the Team Sports theory. That the majority of so called Democrats and Liberals who cried foul over Bush's crimes were only playing team sports.
Vote rigging, sex abuse claims, bombing the innocent, in bed with Wall Street, corporations, dictators, terror sponsors, illicit arms deals, pipelines...none of it matters if you got the big D next to your name.
Bernie supporters who hated Clinton, now rallying behind her I feel are pretty daft.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby FourthBase » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:06 am

I'm just not seeing what is so damaging about the Wikileaks of Clinton.


We are the 1% when it comes to cynically expecting the worst from leaders. Most people would be shocked and appalled by at least half of the big reveals so far, if their attention span weren't already saturated with Trump gropes.

Just out of curiosity, though: Has no one here posted about the "wet works" email yet? Seriously?
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:58 am

I'm just waiting for Cathy O'brien to weigh in on this election :p
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby coffin_dodger » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:07 am

FB:
Just out of curiosity, though: Has no one here posted about the "wet works" email yet? Seriously?

Pray, do tell more.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Harvey » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:32 am

Has Hillary Clinton ever responded to her husbands behaviour with anything other than political expediency, tolerance or tacit approval? I don't know the answer but if not what else could she have done, right?

I ask not to be contentious but to pose the simple question, is Hillary Clinton the best champion of the burning issues many are raising on her behalf? After all, the "first black president" put more black men in jail than any of his predecessors, for political expediency.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Novem5er » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:46 am

Team sports, for sure! This is why I've always been a registered Independent, for all the good that has done me . . .

It is actually fascinating the similarities between the Bush White House and the Obama/Clinton era. Ideas and actions that the Left abhorred under Bush are lauded under Obama/Clinton. It goes across the aisle, too, with the Republicans. Even with conspiracy theories, the FEMA camps thing started by the Left/Libertarians when Bush was in office, but has been continued by the Right/Libertarians under Obama. It's a pendulum going back and forth, with the same ideas and opposition switching sides and changing names.

Regarding that "wet works" email; there may be something to it, but Snopes has a long article about it. I'm not promoting Snopes as the end-all of accuracy, but it's good to know what the other side is saying before anyone makes a final conclusion.

Rearranged into the context of Antonin Scalia's death, the use of the term "wet work" was presumed by many to mean literal assassination. But e-mails between staffers just prior to the 9 February 2016 document revealed planning for a coordinated effort to plant a negative story about Sanders in the press in the days prior to the 9 February 2016 e-mail and article. On the date Podesta discussed "wet work" with Elmendorf, MSNBC published the coverage sought by Clinton's staffers on 6 and 7 February 2016. As such, the most likely victim of the "wet work" was not Scalia, but Sanders.


http://www.snopes.com/wikileaks-exposes-clinton-assassination-of-antonin-scalia/
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