WikiLeaks: Assange's internet link 'severed' by state actor

[82_28]

We're fucked.

8bit has a "different" view on shit but his heart is in the "right place". I know this for a fact. He is simply calling it as he sees it. Him and I have differences. But he is a good man. While he is more forceful or whatever the fuck you wanna call it, I tend to track more into the recognition of nuance.

I just wanted to toss in my support for 8bit and anything he may happen to say. This goes for you all. Not like I have no say in shit. I'll leave it there.

[Harvey]

Monologue of a naive observer:

According to an article in Wired the position which Assange has been advancing all along is that by making the private communication of political machinery public, the gap between their private position and their public position must narrow through fear of exposure. In other words stop lying or cease to communicate.

The MSM position has been all along that they are the only authentic body to judge whether the political machinery is lying, despite whomever owns their various brands, they alone can be trusted to decide what we should or should not know. After all, they claim, they held back large portions of Snowden and other revelations for reasonable and prudent National Security considerations. Although wikileaks claim exactly the same.

Has MSM pushed millions of Americans toward a preference for secrecy? As far as I know, the accusation of outside interference remains to be proven. For now it is merely "somebody said" while insider interference is a near certainty. This would appear to have been a minimal and brilliantly effective strategy which may lead to millions of scared Americans crying out for more secrecy, perhaps even greater surveillance so that they can prove to their state they have nothing to hide and perhaps down the road even harsher punishment for whistle blowers. As an added bonus any further examination of Republican and Democratic vote fixing is probably be off the MSM table. A victory for freedom.

What remains that is worth fighting for?

I admit my ignorance.

[Wombaticus Rex]

"the left" - Don't you tire of the bullshit?

When it's all a movie, attribution matters a lot less.

It's consistently been all a movie for this particular RI member, so really, it is we who must be tired. He's clearly doing fine; quite entertained.

[JackRiddler]

Has MSM pushed millions of Americans toward a preference for secrecy?

I don't actually think so via this particular trope, which is very much a minority concern. The effective way of doing this all along has been TerrorTerrorTerror and a more generic RussiaIranChinaNorthKorea. That's already worked for the majority who still don't know what a Wikileaks is.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I'm sure this latest headline should be helpful in keeping this thread calm and reasonable:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/1 ... r-old-girl

(I like how DK has re-branded as a Clinton Campaign site, btw, those pop-ups are classic)

Julian Assange investigated for online grooming of 8-year-old girl

The Ecuador Embassy in London where Julian Assange has been living since June 2012 has cut his internet access (as reported by Wikileaks).

Leading up to this action, and possibly related: a dating site toddandclare.com contracted Assange earlier this year (they say he approached them) to work with them on their KATIA project, “a safety tool for women planning to go on a date with someone online.” He allegedly used the site for nefarious purposes that perhaps upset his hosts.

Toddandclare became a participant in the UN Global Compact program in May 2016. This required them to release certain company records to the UN, including details of their legal interactions with Assange — which by then included a report from the Royal Bahamas Police about an investigation into Assange. (Assange is no longer involved in KATIA.)

On September 28 this year a Canadian family holidaying in the Bahamas reported to the police that their 8-year-old daughter was “sexually molested online” by Assange on Toddandclare.com, including propositioning her “to perform oral and anal sex acts.” She was presumably accessing the site through her 22-year-old sister’s account. Whether these chats were recorded or not isn’t clear but the family claims they identified Assange.

A description of the investigation (as summarized by Toddandclare) is linked from this tweet:

[Edited with quote] From the report by Toddandclare (based on their understanding of the police investigation — note the father of the girl contacted them on September 28):

“We understand Julian Assange was clearly photo- and video- identified in the chatlogs by both the parents of the juvenile, [and the] Social Services worked involved…

“We understand the family reported to the Bahamas authorities that Mr Assange sent the 8-year-old juvenile (i) unlawful, indecent images and video media of himself performing lewd sex acts on a mobile camera device, and (ii) unlawful obscenity materials of a child pornographic nature.”

The final clause notwithstanding, it’s not clear as yet whether he knew he was interacting with an 8-year-old or thought it was the 22-year-old account holder.

That post offered by user Salicylic, whose previous scoops include "Newsweek explains why Trump can't be trusted to represent the American people's interests" and "Third Presidential Debate: Topics announced."

[brekin]

It's like this.

Assange has gone from being Ellsburg of The Pentagon Papers.
To G. Gordon Liddy of the Watergate Scandal.

It is one thing to expose corruption, it is another to manufacture corruption.
By all means expose war crimes, but once you start meddling in elections, well then you are basically an agent of one side.

Assange's internet cut? Wasn't there a story about cyber retaliation against russian hackers coming? dot to dot.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Some Americans don't like foreigners fucking with their elections

Irony?

It's as though all memory of the last few decades has been erased. Fear is working.

Sorry, I'm missing the irony. Are you suggesting seemslikeadream or anyone else on RI is cool with any country's election being fucked with by foreigners (or by the USA if we happen to reside there)?

I was mildly surprised that anyone here objects to making an informed choice.

So ... you're okay with foreigners fucking with the US election ... as long as the foreigners provide "informed" material to necessitate a particular choice?

I think I see the irony. Do you?

This thread quickly degenerated into a series of strawman arguments and I regret my participation. It's as though America has been collectively regressed into it's childhood. Actually, it's an excellent strategy. What else could wind up the Trump campaign as convincingly before the next act segues neatly into renewed Cold War spending. Quite brilliant.



Edited for errors.

No, Harvey, I raise my hat to you. Thank you for taking the high road regarding the strawman participation. I apologize for being such a smartass. Hope there's no hard feelings.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Some Americans don't like foreigners fucking with their elections

Irony?

It's as though all memory of the last few decades has been erased. Fear is working.

Sorry, I'm missing the irony. Are you suggesting seemslikeadream or anyone else on RI is cool with any country's election being fucked with by foreigners (or by the USA if we happen to reside there)?

You fucking frauds.

My initial reaction to reading this yesterday (perhaps partially out of my Catholic propensity for denial) was to ignore it. But I don't think that's fair to either of us. FourthBase, ever since interacting with you on the Boston Bombing thread, I've always thought you were a straight shooter with me and I've always tried to be a straight shooter with you. So what gives? I'm really hoping this is just a case of you being a self-described asshole in the tradition of Walter Sobchak where you can bust my chops over an issue we disagree on with the closing rejoinder, "Am I wrong?" And maybe you're not wrong where Julian Assange is concerned, I'm just offering my opinion on what I think he's doing and why I don't like it (which is separate from what Ecuador did and what their motives are, which I don't particularly like either). I don't know him so I don't definitively know his motives. But how does that make me a fucking fraud?

[MacCruiskeen]

Damn. Here's another furriner interfering in the US election:



Shocking. And in full public view, too. This fancypants pom is influencing millions of Americans in their voting preferences!

I'm sure we'll all agree that John Oliver deserves to be hounded into seeking asylum for years in a furrin embassy (in yet another furrin country) where the President and the CIA will lean on all them uppity furriners to deny him any internet access.

*If not actually assassinated, or shipped to Guantanamo Bay and then waterboarded. (All options are on the table, of course. As ever.)

[Rory]

tmp_1521-final_report_t_c_17_oct_2016-2(2)-179473588.pdf

I'm sure this latest headline should be helpful in keeping this thread calm and reasonable:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/1 ... r-old-girl

(I like how DK has re-branded as a Clinton Campaign site, btw, those pop-ups are classic)

Julian Assange investigated for online grooming of 8-year-old girl

The Ecuador Embassy in London where Julian Assange has been living since June 2012 has cut his internet access (as reported by Wikileaks).

Leading up to this action, and possibly related: a dating site toddandclare.com contracted Assange earlier this year (they say he approached them) to work with them on their KATIA project, “a safety tool for women planning to go on a date with someone online.” He allegedly used the site for nefarious purposes that perhaps upset his hosts.

Toddandclare became a participant in the UN Global Compact program in May 2016. This required them to release certain company records to the UN, including details of their legal interactions with Assange — which by then included a report from the Royal Bahamas Police about an investigation into Assange. (Assange is no longer involved in KATIA.)

On September 28 this year a Canadian family holidaying in the Bahamas reported to the police that their 8-year-old daughter was “sexually molested online” by Assange on Toddandclare.com, including propositioning her “to perform oral and anal sex acts.” She was presumably accessing the site through her 22-year-old sister’s account. Whether these chats were recorded or not isn’t clear but the family claims they identified Assange.

A description of the investigation (as summarized by Toddandclare) is linked from this tweet:

[Edited with quote] From the report by Toddandclare (based on their understanding of the police investigation — note the father of the girl contacted them on September 28):

“We understand Julian Assange was clearly photo- and video- identified in the chatlogs by both the parents of the juvenile, [and the] Social Services worked involved…

“We understand the family reported to the Bahamas authorities that Mr Assange sent the 8-year-old juvenile (i) unlawful, indecent images and video media of himself performing lewd sex acts on a mobile camera device, and (ii) unlawful obscenity materials of a child pornographic nature.”

The final clause notwithstanding, it’s not clear as yet whether he knew he was interacting with an 8-year-old or thought it was the 22-year-old account holder.

That post offered by user Salicylic, whose previous scoops include "Newsweek explains why Trump can't be trusted to represent the American people's interests" and "Third Presidential Debate: Topics announced."

This Todd and Claire thing seems to be comepletely ficticious.

Check out @DougHenwood's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DougHenwood/status/ ... 51808?s=09

A preliminary investigation of T&C Network Solutions was conducted to identify whether the business entity is a legitimate organization. Throughout the investigation, no official records for T&C Network Solutions were identified in any of the jurisdictions the company has claimed as their corporate headquarters. Additionally, all attempted contact with the company and its few identified associates currently remains unsuccessful -- all telephone numbers identified as being associated with this organization were either not valid or inoperative; none of the emails sent to the company’s customer support, domain administrator,press addresses or identified affiliated individuals were responded to. T&C Network Solutions is listed as the owner of ToddAndClare.com, which purports to be an online dating and cellphone messaging platform. Despite the online dating company’s pretension of being founded in 2011, ToddAndClare.com’s online presence has only been identified as early as 1 September 2015. The social media presence for ToddAndClare.com on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram indicates the utilization of “commercial zombie accounts” which can be purchased from a 3rd party to artificially inflate the perceived user activity. No independent website has been identified for T&C Network Solutions. Research was conducted to establish the bona fides of T&C Network Solutions and ToddAndClare.com, including searching city, county, state, federal and international databases for any official records, corporate filings, fictitious business registrations, civil litigation history, trade and service mark registrations, and real property records, with negative results for the business entity, in each of its various names. No official government records for T&C Network Solutions were identified throughout the course of this investigation other than recognition as a Participant with the United Nations Global Compact, since 6 May 2016, and a “United Nations Communication on Progress” report filed by ToddandClare.com on 4 October 2016. T&C Network Solutions was delisted by the UN Global Compact program on 12 Oct 2016. The delisted entry states that T&C Network solutions failed the program's “Integrity Measures”.1 It is our conclusion that T&C Network Solutions exhibits the characteristics of a highly suspicious and likely fabricated business entity

[coffin_dodger]

I'm wondering if irony is in absentia from the American psyche at the moment. They got a lot on their plate.

[MacCruiskeen]

WikiLeaks, today (several links in the original, including links to the four pdf docs):

Background and Documents on Attempts to Frame Assange as a Pedophile and Russias spy
18 October 2016

https://wikileaks.org/Background-and-Do ... ml?update2

Earlier today the website DailyKos reported on a smear campaign plot to falsely accuse Julian Assange of pedophilia.

Here is the description of the plot from Mr Assange’s legal team, the investigative report into the front company and associated correspondence. An unknown entity posing as an internet dating agency prepared an elaborate plot to falsely claim that Julian Assange received US$1M from the Russian government and a second plot to frame him sexually molesting an eight year old girl.

The second plot includes the filing of a fabricated criminal complaint in the Bahamas, a court complaint in the UK and laundering part of the attack through the United Nations. The plot happened durring WikiLeaks’ Hillary Clinton related publications, but the plot may have its first genesis in Mr. Assange’s 16 months litigation against the UK in the UN system, which concluded February 5 (Assange won. UK and Sweden lost & US State Dept tried to pressure the WGAD according to its former Chair, Prof. Mads Andenas).

Timeline 2016

May, when self-claimed dating agency "ToddAndClare" (T&C) approach saying they were contacted by the Russian government

Sep 3, T&C email Assange’s Swedish lawyer Per Samualson offering one million dollars for Assange to appear in a video advertisement for the "dating agency" ToddAndClare.com (See attachment). This is the first contact.

Sep 15, email sent from a member of Mr. Assange’s defence team to hannah@toddandclare requesting further details (See attachment)

Sep 19, hannah@toddandclare.com emailed with elaborate bonafides, proposed agreement and the claim that the source of the million dollars is the Russian government The email states that T&C was approached by Russian representatives in May 2016 and that "The source of the $1,000,000 is the Russian government". The email then goes on to "verify" bonafides by giving a detailed description of the interior of the house and desk of his lawyer, Helena Kennedy, who is a member of the UK parliament, including a reference to a photo of Tony Blair (Kennedy states that the Blair reference is accurate although out-of-date).

Sep 20, a representative of Mr. Assange’s defence writes to hannah@toddandclare.com stating that the proposal appears to be an "elaborate scam designed to entrap Mr. Assange’s reputation into unwanted and unwarranted publicity"

Sep 21, hannah@toddandclare.com writes stating that "The offer expires at midnight, October 31st 2016."

Late Sep, WikiLeaks announce a press conference for Oct 4 for its ten year anniversary.

Late Sep, Press widely misreport that WikiLeaks is going to launch its "October Suprise" against Hillary Clinton on Oct 4, misinterpreting its press conference call

Oct 4, T&C files its "Assange paedophile" libel through the UN’s Global Compact system alleging that there is an active criminal investigation in the Bahamas against Julian Assange for the abuse of an eight year old girl and claiming to have chat logs and photos. The allegation appears on the UN website with UN Gobal Compact letter head and is contextualised with a complex back story. The request targets the UN WGAD (part of the UN Human Rights system) which found that Assange is being illegally detained by the United Kingdom and Sweden.

Oct 4, T&C files claim through the UK courts, apparently using it as a method to place the paedophile accusation into the public record. (See attachment).

Oct 4, WikiLeaks holds press conference, where it becomes clear that its publishing of Clinton related documents will occur later

Oct 5, T&C UK court claim arrives at Ecuadorian embassy in London

Oct 7, Friday, WikiLeaks commenses release of the Podesta Emails

Oct 11, T&C pushes out Assange paedophile claim through PRWeb newswire service

Oct 12, UN Global Compact delists T&C, citing "integrity" issues

Oct 12, T&C issues press release opposing UN delisting with an elaborate story, claiming that Julian Assange is threatening US citizens (T&C)

Oct 17, Investigative report into Toddandclare.com prepared for Mr. Assange’s lawyers is concluded, finding "T&C Network Solutions exhibits the characteristics of a highly suspicious and likely fabricated business entity." (See attachment "FINAL REPORT T&C 17 Oct 2016").

Oct 18, The paedophile part of the plot is launched through US democrat-aligned web site DailyKos and pushed by pro-Clinton twitter accounts

Contacts

Assange Lawyer Melinda Taylor (english-The Hague):
+31 611566009
email: melindataylor@gmail.com

Per E Samuelson (swedish/english-Sweden)
email: per@ssw.se
http://ssw.se


Attachments

PDF - 863.6 kb

final_report_t_c_17_oct_2016-2.pdf

PDF - 558.5 kb

lawyer_letter_regarding_t_c_false_claims.pdf

PDF - 922.6 kb

toddandclare-uk-county-court-claim-against-ja-oct-4-2016.pdf

PDF - 68.2 kb

toddandclare-emails-3-sep-2016-to-21-sep-2016.pdf

https://wikileaks.org/Background-and-Do ... ml?update2

[General Patton]

Damn. Here's another furriner interfering in the US election:

You're not wrong imo, British intel using Brit journalists and media personalities to steer US opinion is a big problem b/c they're over-represented in our media (and certainly not the only foreign group doing so).

[seemslikeadream]

Assange will be thrilled that you are comparing him to a late night TV comedian

GTK

and I don't need a late night comedian to tell me who Trump is...that is the most ridicules thing I have ever read..give me a fucking break....

oooh watch out America.....late night "foreign" TV comedians are pure evil


Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.


and I didn't get that from late night TV comedy


jumpin' jesus on a pogo stick

[MacCruiskeen]

Damn. Here's another furriner interfering in the US election:

You're not wrong imo, British intel using Brit journalists and media personalities to steer US opinion is a big problem b/c they're over-represented in our media (and certainly not the only foreign group doing so).

You may well be right, tapitsbo. And for the record, I can't stand Oliver, or any of that late-night US comedy crowd. Smug-arsed, team-scripted, system-legitimising, multi-millionaire court jesters, every one of 'em. They should remember Bill Hicks's advice to anyone in marketing, and then act accordingly.

The point was, of course, to show how feeble is the attempted justification for the US's hounding/imprisoning/silencing/[assassinating, eventually?] of Julian Assange.("He's a foreigner influencing our election!") It pissed me off, (and really did shock me, frankly) to see that at RI, along with the still-completely-unfounded claim that he is a tool of Vladimir Putin.