Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Nordic » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:34 am

peartreed » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:22 am wrote:Nordic, Novem5er nailed it.

I’m one of the optimists that eschew extremist fear mongering, like the inevitability of Hillary hitting the red button to launch war with Russia. I also thought she flipped on her original support of TPP to oppose it now. To me, she is a safer bet than The Donald drooling over the nuclear codes to consider an even bigger and lasting impression of his megalomaniacal imprint on the world.

Trump has already outlined his xenophobic vision of America as an island unto itself, curtailing immigration, building border walls, canceling trade deals and operating a virtual police state to control dissidents in his personal fiefdom.

It sounds more like North Korea than the free enterprise beacon of the Western World. While you justifiably fight multinational corporate monopoly of global commerce you also might play right into the hands of the tyrants like Trump who have a legacy of lust for precisely that kind of power. If he stays true to form he will want to "make deals" to benefit from such takeovers himself. The only difference is he, yet again, wants his personal brand with the proceeds ultimately ending up in his own privileged pocket. A presidential seal is not going to change his stars or stripes.



Trump is an amateur. He has no real power. Even in the White House he will be given barely any power. All these things people are so TERRIFIED that Trump will do, he won't be able to do. He's a small timer, a local used car salesman.

Hillary already has the power of every evil and murderous aspect of the US government. And it's Deep State gangsterism, and the presstitute media behind her. She has the real power and all of it is ugly and destructive.

Why can't people see this? Drives me nuts.

Also they chose Trump to play this role so Hillary could pull this off!! So why are you so emotionally invested in playing into that blatant manipulation of YOUR emotions? You should resent that! And be deeply offended by that!

I don't get how people can be so complicit in their own manipulation. It's fucking bizarre.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:41 am

Well said, 8bit, but I do not think anybody at any level at any stage really wants war or totally destroy Earth. I do not know though. I am more fascinated by this milieu of confusion that has dropped upon planet Earth -- the humans. It seems like Russia is stepping up to keep shit more sane. But again, I do not know. There are many other entities that exist here (plants and animals) that have no say.

But again, I do not know.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby coffin_dodger » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:47 am

8bit:
But continual surprises down the final stretch don't surprise me.

An oxymoron leading to a paradox. Well done, Sir - a rare beast. :thumbsup
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:49 am

Nordic » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:12 pm wrote:
peartreed » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:23 pm wrote:You're reading it wrong. The first line is a quote I disagree with from a prior post above. I doubt Hillary would "destroy the world". Regardless, Trump is an unqualified egocentric totalitarian that would be a complete disaster posturing and preening in the presidency for publicity. Clinton at least knows the ropes enough not to hang herself on hubris. Neither candidate is a good choice but the lady deserves the chance to try.


I'm sorry but war with Russia and the TPP disqualifies her from being given the chance to "try". If we have to put up with Homer Simpson as president to avoid JUST those two things it's worth it. I really don't understand how people are thinking. If you were dying and trapped under a car bleeding to death would you really care about the character of the guy who dragged you out and called 911? It's about like that.

Hillary is a fucking menace to life on earth. And to the sovereignty of the country.

That's really all that matters.

Maybe she's president and by some miracle we avoid war with Russia. She's still gonna sign the TPP and hand the legal control of this country (thereby of all of us) over to multinational corporations.

But that's ok because Trump is a dick?

Give me the logic to this. I'm not seeing it.


Yeah I agree. As much as I am grateful to see civil rights and justice issues I've been passionately supporting finally rear their head all these years laters,
war with Russia would be cataclysmic. That new "Satan 2" missile Russia unveiled would be the end of the planet.

Hillary Clinton is almost completely backed by not just the Bushes but the neocon elites and think tanks behind the Iraq war...more frightening is
her wanting to set up a no fly zone to shoot down Russian fighter jets in Syria. Like the 1990s Balkan civil war, seeing so many civilians mass murdered by state actors is disheartening,
but the alliances in the world are already cementing on each side and would dwarf the second world war.

That plus I have the hunch that Clinton and her neocon backers had a hand in the 2011-current mess we're seeing as the result of destabilizing Libya, and pushing for destabilization in Syria.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:53 am

SLAD: Even if Ghouliani had some connection to 9/11, what about the fact:

- Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation has taken tens of millions from the state sponsor of 9/11 (Saudi Arabia) and co-financier of ISIS?(Qatar)
- Hillary Clinton lead the invasion and destruction of Libya, then gloated and laughed about how she killed Ghadafi
- Hillary Clinton is endorsed by the Bushes and supported by the very Bush neocons who brought us the Iraq war
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby semper occultus » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:59 am

welcome back SLAD - I am happy to see rumours of your demise appear to have been an exaggeration
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:40 am

km artlu » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:07 am wrote:Holy Shit slad...your last few lengthy posts are definitive examples of ad hominem argument. An attack, justified or not, on the personal character of a source of information does not refute the information. Can you see how that's true?

If Charlie Manson says 2+3 = 5, the math isn't negated by pointing out how disreputable he is.


2 posts km artlu ....two posts ...not a few...get it right please..I know they were long but how can one express what assholes they are in a few short words

Kass.....
Racist Chicago Tribune column blames ‘Democratic welfare state’ for ‘feral black boys’ with guns..moral???...MORAL???

Fucking Guiliani ...are you fucking kidding me? Character...what fucking character does Goooooliani have?

The day after the gold was found Giuliani stop looking for victims remains...this is the guy with morals???

He has no moral authority on anything ...what fucking information does either of those two idiots have about anything that would be credible at all.....where's the fish?

If Goooliani has any real/true information on 9/11 he'd like to share...I'll listen

8bitagent » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:53 am wrote:SLAD: Even if Ghouliani had some connection to 9/11


Even if....even if.....??????????

Mr. 9/11....people are going to quote him? :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:


Can you see how that's true?

lets' all watch Trump kissing Gooliani's breasts... :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMc6u97bjmY


Mark Cuban OWNS Rudy Giuliani, "Everything you just said is a LIE"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrCEvlgERGg


Trump's America...with Goooliani as Homeland Security Chief.......yea let's go with this :roll:

LYNCHING BLACKS IN AMERICA ...COPS KILLING BLACKS FOR WALKING DOWN THE STREET...IT'S THE NEW IMPROVED LESS VILE/LAWFUL KILLING OF BLACKS .......BACK IN STYLE AGAIN

THIS IS YOUR AVERAGE TRUMP SUPPORTER
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semper occultus » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:59 am wrote:welcome back SLAD - I am happy to see rumours of your demise appear to have been an exaggeration


Thanks for the welcome back......I will be falling off and jumping back on when I see people like Goooilani and Kass being held as a moral authority on anything here ..all these rabid right wing bastards can go to hell...seeing that here ....the throw up in my mouth leaves such a bad taste..like day old fish.... I need to spit it out .....and also the rumors of my insanity are greatly overblown :P

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...waiting patiently for someone to quote moral authority Dickhead Cheney :P
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Heaven Swan » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:24 am

Trying to make sense of the FBI move.

Could a faction of the FBI be trying to throw the election to Donald Trump so that they can take over (enact a coup) in the post-election chaos?

After all the FBI has been grooming terrorists, covering up revelations that could damage elite plotters and clearly considers themselves way above the law. What's to stop them from taking the next step?
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:31 am

Heaven Swan » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:24 am wrote:Trying to make sense of the FBI move.

Could a faction of the FBI be trying to throw the election to Donald Trump so that they can take over (enact a coup) in the post-election chaos?



ya think?

maybe the FBI is fighting with the NSA...and we all loose

I'm sure I will soon see what a great outfit (moral authority) the FBI is here :P

after all the repubs have threaten to investigate the FBI now

who's side will we be on then?



Comey was also the U.S. attorney who oversaw the prosecution and torture of José Padilla

and since it has become fashionable and acceptable here to quote right wing nut jobs ...let me post this

Joe Walsh and Jeanine Pirro defending HRC on this :P

just a reminder
Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/dona ... 15120.html



OCTOBER 31, 2016
Comey’s Blindside: You’re Just a Cop
by STANLEY L. COHEN


Every day, it seems, we talk about Prison America; the profitable high growth industry that entombs millions of our people… stealing years, often decades, of their lives while destroying families and communities along the way… as we continue to subsidize a vicious, sagging economy built upon death… not life. Though the debate centers largely on the question of why we continue to prosecute and bury mostly young people of color and poverty for drug crimes and other non-violent offenses, the equation often misses a core component of the challenge concerning how to control willful cops… those in uniform and out… who cross the line with mostly unbridled power to dictate who goes to prison and who does not, whose reputation remains solid and whose becomes soiled, and then set about to do whatever it takes to see their view of justice be had.

In the US, result oriented justice is not new or even creative; it’s as old as the frontier sheriff with boundless power to rule with a firm hand to control who got to walk down the streets of Dodge and who did not. Of course, cops plant evidence, coerce statements and entrap folks… that’s a given. Torture, rendition and agent stings are very much now the norm. No breaking news here. Ultimately, when all else fails, it’s the modern day version of the old school way to ensure “case closed”… another “victory” for those who not only relish their power but see its arbitrary application as just fine as long as they get their man… or woman.

It seems most cops, from those directing traffic on the boulevard to the guy in the designer suit before Congress, lose sight along the way that their power is but power on loan… not owned by them to use and do with as they please when their own social, political or “security ends” justifies their means… or where they seek to lay the groundwork for future employment.

Once again, this past week, FBI Director James Comey proved that point.

Although finely polished and experienced, this lifelong Republican cop seems to feel that there’s one set of rules for all those he’s helped to send to prison and a completely different one for him… one blue book of conduct for all others in the Department of Justice but, apparently, not a volume to be found among the personal library of he who now occupies the Director’s desk of the FBI.

Time and time again, throughout the Clinton email scandal, Comey has proven himself to be not much more than an old fashioned ward healer… but with a badge… desperate for the feel of flesh or to see the flash of bulbs or, perhaps, a novice candidate for political office looking for a hook to, some day, launch his own career.

FBI Directors do not hold press conferences to discuss or explain why charges have not been pursued against a potential subject of interest or a target of an investigation. They just don’t. Inexplicably, he did.

As a matter of long settled policy, these matters are simply not offered up to the public for Monday morning debate or talking head analysis which can not only tarnish the reputation of persons cleared of criminal wrongdoing but expose investigative sources or techniques that can endanger the reliability of future investigations or the safety of agents. Indeed, legend is the cases where the door to on-going or post hoc litigation leads has been slammed shut, without hesitation, by federal judges for this very reason.

As well, the all too convenient mass publication by the FBI in this matter of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of its sensitive 302 reports (official FBI case progress memoranda) are simply unprecedented. Indeed, prisoners (and journalists) often spend years litigating access to this material which is challenged by the FBI, every step along the way, with endless technical statutory excuses for keeping it secret; even in cases, long closed, where its release might offer a ray of hope to those perhaps wrongfully convicted or overcharged.

Most stunning of all however was the cheap political ploy by Comey where but 11 days prior to the election he suggested, in a public writing to Congress, that he had uncovered newly discovered, potentially damning evidence with regard to the Clinton email scandal. The tenor and tone of the Director’s insinuation is remarkable, indeed astonishing, given the fact that apparently neither he nor any of his agents had, as of the time of the written press conference, reviewed the material itself. Can anyone say deceitful?

Even more disingenuous was the timing of this claim which not only rubbed up against firmly rooted and sound DOJ policy but, in fact, swallowed it whole as the Director slobbered away from the political dining table with a scheming smile on his face.

Although periodically ruptured, by design the mandate of federal law enforcement necessarily excludes witting participation in the political process, let alone becoming ensnarled in it, as an ostensible partisan or one consciously seeking to impact upon it one way or another. That’s the job of politicians not cops.

Indeed, the Department of Justice has, for decades, avoided taking actions that might be viewed as an attempt to influence an election. As noted in a 2012 Justice Department memo “… all employees have the responsibility to enforce the law in a neutral and impartial manner…which is ‘particularly important’ in an election year.” According to Matthew Miller, former Director of the Justice Department’s Public Affairs Office, this becomes all the more sensitive, nay, critical as Election Day draws near:

“Justice traditionally bends over backward to avoid taking any action that might be seen by the public as influencing an election, often declining to even take private steps that might become public in the 60 days leading up to an election.”

This rule finds firm footing in the position of a host of former and current Attorneys General and senior prosecutors. For example, it has been reported that former AG Janet Reno was “adamant… anything that could influence the election had to go dark,” as she suspended a politically sensitive investigation… one much further removed in time from Election Day than the most recent blindside, by the FBI Director, just 11 days before the vote to see who will lead this country for the next four years.

Remarkably, it appears Comey completely ignored the “preference” of current Attorney General Lynch… his boss… as well as her deputies that he adhere to a well established DOJ policy of remaining silent about on-going investigations and refrain from taking any steps that could influence the outcome of an election. This view has been shared by Republican prosecutors as well. As noted by George J. Terwilliger III, a deputy attorney general under President George Bush, “There’s a longstanding policy of not doing anything that could influence an election.” He added “Those guidelines exist for a reason. Sometimes, that makes for hard decisions. But bypassing them has consequences.”

Sadly, Comey’s palpable decision to charge full steam ahead and place his own view and reputation before that of the electoral process as so much the ultimate arbiter of what he believes the public should know and not… real or otherwise… on the eve of this election is not sui generis. Although different in approach, and context, he now follows a long and time tested tradition of corrupt and venal FBI directors who have not hesitated to implement personal political agendas ranging from the Palmer raids upon anarchists of the early 20th century, to the blacklisting and perjury traps of McCarthy, to the murder of black activists under COINTELPRO.

Comey is many things. He is not however stupid or brash. He had to know that what essentially constituted a vaguely worded personal press release, in the final desperate days of a very ugly campaign, would be seized upon, by an opposing candidate, media pundits and the public, as newly discovered evidence of criminality, even without verification, that might very well alter the course of US history.

To him, it mattered not that the “new” emails were as yet unparsed. Nor did he care that their timed release would almost certainly have the consequence, if not the intended effect, to mislead the American people already battered and tired by unprecedented levels of empty rhetoric and unfounded accusations by both sides.

One can only wonder whether Comey’s blindside was simply breathtaking in its carelessness or… like the beat cop who has decided who goes to jail and who goes home… a calculated decision to place his own personal stamp of approval on who he wants to see as his next uber boss.

The path from street corners or, at times, even Board Rooms to prison cells is not a complicated walk at all. It seems these days the road to the White House is pretty much the same march… just a bit longer and nastier.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:27 pm

No, ‘Emailgate’ Is Not Worse Than Watergate
By JOHN W. DEAN
OCT. 31, 2016

Donald J. Trump wasted no time in seizing on the unprecedented letter that the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, sent to Congress on Friday, regarding the bureau’s investigations into Hillary Clinton’s emails. “This is bigger than Watergate,” Mr. Trump’s team tweeted just a few hours after the letter was made public.

It’s not the first time Mr. Trump has made the Watergate comparison. In fact, he’s been saying it regularly since the arrival of his new campaign manager, Stephen Bannon, in August. And that’s fitting — Mr. Bannon came from Breitbart, the conspiracy-minded right-wing news site, and his Hail Mary strategy seems to be to paint Mrs. Clinton as a criminal mastermind. And who better a measuring stick than America’s most infamous president, Richard M. Nixon?

But these comparisons are nonsense. Only someone who knows nothing about the law, and the darkest moment of our recent political history, would see a parallel between Nixon’s crimes and Mrs. Clinton’s mistakes.

The Watergate scandal, for the record, began on June 17, 1972, as a bungled burglary by men working out of Nixon’s re-election committee, who were arrested in the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate complex in Washington.

It ended more than two years later, with Nixon’s resignation on Aug. 9, 1974, followed by the criminal trial of his former attorney general, John Mitchell; his former White House chief of staff, H. R. Haldeman; and his top domestic adviser, John D. Ehrlichman, who were found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice on Jan. 1, 1975. Along the way, some four dozen Nixon aides and associates were convicted of or pleaded guilty to criminal misconduct, including me.

Taken together, these investigations revealed astounding abuses of presidential power by Nixon, which included other illegal break-ins and burglaries; illegal electronic surveillance; misuses of agencies of government like the I.R.S., C.I.A. and F.B.I.; the practice of making political opponents into enemies and using the instruments of government to attack them; and then employing perjury and obstruction of justice to cover it all up.

Whatever mistakes Mrs. Clinton made, her actions bear no similarities whatsoever to Nixon’s criminalization of his presidency, and his efforts to corrupt much of the executive branch. As Nixon’s secretly recorded conversations show, he rejected the advice of his lawyers at every stage of Watergate; he was determined to do it his way. When he was forced to resign, or be removed from office by the impeachment process, he never truly apologized. Once out of office, he claimed he did not need the pardon he accepted that precluded his criminal prosecution, and he went to his grave claiming he was innocent of criminal behavior, absurdly asserting when the president does it, that means it is legal.


Contrast that with Mrs. Clinton, whose “scandal” is the result of her desire — like that of many, including President Obama — not to give up her Blackberry email account when she entered the executive branch. Only slowly did she come to appreciate the security risk of not using the antiquated State Department system.

She was unaware that a few classified items — some of which were classified after the fact — were in her private email system. Unlike Nixon, she has apologized. The F.B.I. record also shows that — again, unlike Nixon — she had no criminal intent in any of her actions.

Still, the ongoing efforts to draw a comparison between Mrs. Clinton and Nixon by Mr. Trump and many Republicans are telling, for several reasons.

First, they show how little they understand about Watergate itself. Take Mr. Trump’s recent speech at the Al Smith Dinner. When delivering one of his worst jokes, the first of many to draw boos, he said: “Hillary is so corrupt, she got kicked off the Watergate Commission. How corrupt do you have to be to get kicked off the Watergate Commission? Pretty corrupt.”

But there was never a Watergate commission (presumably he means the House Judiciary Committee), and she wasn’t fired — I know, because I asked the man who supposedly did the firing.

This is more than an innocent mistake. The idea that Mrs. Clinton was fired from the committee during its impeachment inquiry of Nixon is a mainstay among right-wing conspiracy-mongers. Restating it is playing to Mr. Trump’s base, even if it fell flat to the Al Smith audience.

Second, Mr. Trump’s insistence that “Emailgate” is worse than Watergate serves to divert attention from the fact that, in my opinion, Mr. Trump is remarkably Nixonian, perhaps even more so than Nixon himself.


I say that because while Nixon’s dark and nasty side, largely hidden from public view, got him in trouble, he was also a man of intelligence, with a strong understanding of government, a deep knowledge of the world and a heartfelt vision for lasting peace. If Mr. Trump has such positive qualities, he has kept that side of him well hidden, while giving free rein to his dark and nasty worldview.

None of this is to say that Mrs. Clinton did not make mistakes with her email server. But to compare them to Watergate is more than historical ignorance. It distorts our understanding of what actually constitutes an abuse of power, and raises the risks that we will someday install another leader who is all too happy to misuse historical memory to indulge a dark and nasty nature.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/31/opini ... rgate.html



22 million George Bush Emails...where are they?
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:41 pm

seemslikeadream » 7 minutes ago wrote:
No, ‘Emailgate’ Is Not Worse Than Watergate
By JOHN W. DEAN
OCT. 31, 2016
Donald J. Trump ...[edited by Spiro for charity]... to indulge a dark and nasty nature.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/31/opini ... rgate.html


22 million George Bush Emails...where are they?


What I appreciate most about slad's contributions to this thread are how clearly they crystallise the starkness of similarity between the shadowy politics of the Bushes and Clintons. Using John Dean as source material is the coup de grace.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:44 pm

Nordic » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:34 am wrote:I don't get how people can be so complicit in their own manipulation. It's fucking bizarre.


You're too old for sentences like that, even if rhetorical. Manipulation requires complicity. If your reality tunnel is any more accurate than your neighbors, it's by a margin of millimeters.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:43 pm

"It's 99% bullshit, but it kind of fits in here at RI..."


Let's not repeat this, ok Novem5er? If it's 99% BS, why even mention it?

Because it appears on a few alt-right sites?

PM it to D&C, so he can add it to his ever-growing collection of 100% biased BS, so he can forward it on to 8bit, where it will be appreciated.

Nordic, you're giving me reason to change my Stein vote to instead vote for Hillary. Please stop before you've convinced me to switch.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:56 pm

:P
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Cordelia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:08 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
Nordic » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:34 am wrote:I don't get how people can be so complicit in their own manipulation. It's fucking bizarre.


You're too old for sentences like that, even if rhetorical. Manipulation requires complicity. If your reality tunnel is any more accurate than your neighbors, it's by a margin of millimeters.


You're in denial until you're not anymore. Everybody is (even Nordic). I know I am; I just don't know about what. :wink

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