Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[8bitagent]

Nurture should still be in her nature.

By all accounts she is a nasty piece of work. Secret Service agents hate being assigned to her and consider it a punishment. Lawyers she worked with when she was younger say she had absolutely no sense of ethics, considered rules as mere obstacles to be worked around. She is not the charming type of psychopath her husband is; she's the lower type, power-hungry and reptilian.

The Clinton's main White House chef in the 90's came out saying she had a pattern of calling African American people in the kitchen the N-Word.

Oh, I agree she's the best in the field, but she cannot become elected as President this term. That is the truth, too. If you are in a swing state and you vote for Stein, you're assuring the election of one of the two, Trump or Clinton. And it might seem to some that by voting Green in a swing state you care not at all about the makeup of the future Supreme Court, which imo, is more important than the election of a 4 or 8 year term of office.

Edited to add,

I forgot to thank you Rory, for responding to my questions. I appreciate you doing so, while I do not agree with your reasoned decision, due only to your living in a contested state.

Edited once again to add,

I would say that Trump would be scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Clinton's simply the dregs.

But one thing that argument overlooks:

Your vote doesn't matter one bit in "battle" between Hillary and Trump. Not at all.



Face it we have no control over Trump/Hillary. There's never a "perfect time" to vote third party if you keep thinking that some day there will be. It's like waiting for the perfect time to tell your spouse you want a divorce. It's just gotta happen. Just do it.

Silly Nordic, every vote matters! 'cept for those that go uncounted, of course, or those disqualified. If I were to vote for Clinton, it would add one more popular vote to her tally.

But this is what I wrote, more or less, as to why I'll be voting for Stein:

But where it might actually count is in getting the Green Party at 5% at which time it becomes a legit, recognized party and automatically gets federal funding next time.

It is indeed a perfect time for me to vote for Stein, as I feel sure Clinton will carry NYS and does not need my vote to win our state's popular vote. As I wrote earlier, if NY was a contested red-blue state I would vote for Clinton. I admit, I could be unpleasantly surprised by a Trump win.

Lastly, Nordic, there's always a perfect time to seek a divorce. Too many just ignore it, preferring to live in a fantasy. Procrastinators, in general.

Everyone is entitled to be wrong, you know, and everyone is entitled to their opinions, wrong as they might be. As we've seen this election cycle, more so than ever before, the truth matters little to many, even here, where we see 8bit point to Bill as though he was a contender and complain that democrats aren't crying about his indiscretions as if he was, and refuse to admit that Democrats, (most humans, really), really do have good reason to decry Trump's sexual crimes, ("...whether they have good reason or not...").

"I just don't get how the Democrats can at once focus all their energy calling Trump a sex criminal whether they have good reason or not, but then ignore the fact Bill Clinton has a long trail of accusers..."

Next, we have clairvoyance, "The social media Democrats talk about this bogus Jerry Springer produced child rape claim, but even if that had any sort of credibility it'd lead to Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein."

You know it's bogus, 8bit? Because it is about Trump's sexual perversions and not Clinton's? Seems to me it would be wise to investigate the possible rape of a 13 year old by Donald Trump regardless of where it leads, or to whom it involves, though it would be a plus to suck in other rapists of the young and old, like Jefferey and Bill. As long as it finds Trump guilty of child rape, if he is indeed guilty, I don't care who else gets sucked in, but would be pleased to see as many rapists of children and women get what they deserve, whoever they might be.

What's the matter, 8bit, can't you write 'Trump' and 'rape' in the same sentence?

For a Stein voter you sure seem to be selling the Trump brand. And in my experience, that makes you unique among Stein supporters.

It makes one wonder just how these bizarre imaginings of some that are in such conflict with reality come about and then, there it was, right at the bottom of the comment:

As much as I've always disliked Fox, Drudge, and Rush they seem to be some of the only ones pointing out all this (alleged Clinton) corruption.

With no mention Trump's well known (alleged) corruption, the uni; his well known, through his own braggadocio, mistreatment of women, probably criminal, his not releasing his taxes; or that he's been accused of raping a 13 year old. Yes, let's talk about Bill Clinton. This is news, right 8bit?

Meanwhile, still not a single word of condemnation for Trump from you in any RI 2016 election thread, even though we know much about his ongoing illegal and immoral acts. Very strange indeed. But not at all strange for a Trump supporter.

And then we have D&C's cruel foolishness, victimizing victims of mass murder: Sandy Hook was 100% fake, which is grossly untrue. It was as real as reality gets.

Novem5er, I'll respond later today.

Yeah, I seem to recall repeatedly talking about Bill Clinton and Trump are long time friends, and Clinton talked Trump into running.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

BOTH Clinton and Trump were pals with Epstein
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... inton.html

That alleged "rape of a 13 year old" has more holes in it than flat earth proponents, but again it leads to the same elite pedos Bill Clinton is involved in if any of it is true. Heck I've said
maybe in this wacky world even Cathy O'Brien is credible.

Finally, if the Democrats hadnt cheated Bernie Sanders, we wouldnt even be talking about the Democrats potentially losing.

[8bitagent]

The disdain and scorn people in most of my universe rain down upon Trump supporters is the nastiest, most condescending, elitist shit you can imagine.

I don't need to engage any imagination at all....the deluge of invective that has been aimed at Brexit voters for daring to inconvenience all the important , worthwhile, revenue-earning people who like flying to Barcelona for the weeked & hiring cheap child-minders from Transylvania is quite enough ....

...imagine what it'll be like if he frickn' WINS....

Violence. I actually fear the violence if Trump wins by anti Trump people than if Clinton wins. But then again I think *both* sides have been so ginned up and played against eachother.
I could even see Obama searching his conscience and cancelling the results before it hits the electoral college, which most liberals would side with even tho it'd be unconstitutional.

Its tough. I believe the war powers that be are ensuring Clinton wins to bring phase 3 of the PNAC doctrine(least my take), which Im against...but Trump does have a lot of scary customers right alongside him

4 eyes have seen the rumor, yet no link.

RealClearpolitics is now reporting the FBI is about to indict over the Clinton Foundation.

Its frustrating as fuck to see the usually good guy left having to be represented by the Clintons, who are *very* close Bush family friends.
The Democrats can cry about Russian conspiracies all they want, the fact is moles within Sanders campaign colluded with the DNC and Team Hillary
to cheat Bernie. And now the Democrats may be on the verge of losing.

One thing I really don't like is the reports of nazis planning to suppress votes. As much as I have fun digging on Clinton, Im horrified at the very notion
of voter suppression aimed at minorities. The African American support for Clinton seems to be way down, which is odd to me. Even in the wake of Bill Clinton apologizing for the 90s crime laws.

[8bitagent]

It's getting to be kind of pathetic, watching how easily people I thought might be able to better resist it be buffeted about by the hot air being blown by the long-lived and well exposed quasi-fascist right-wing propaganda wind machine like so many empty sacks of potato chips.

Beyond the fever swamp of the Internet and the incestuous confines of AM Talk Radio, its TV version at FOX News, and the piles of anti-liberal books that get published by the likes of Regnery and that ilk (another doorstopper from Rush Limbaugh or Shawn Hannity for Christmas, dad?) who publish books totemistically, not to be read, but simply to EXIST and be waved in the dreaded liberal enemy's collective face as proof of their perfidy, the truth is that Hillary Clinton's fan club is rather jam-packed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_H ... dorsements

Furthermore, whatever you think of her politics, there exists a near endless stream of individuals of ALL political stripes who are more than willing to share their experience of Hillary Clinton as being an intelligent, resourceful, generous, friendly, witty, emotionally invested, and yes CARING human being, a fair-dealing legislative partner unafraid to take part in the rough and tumble, but also knowing when to cede ground when such is reasonable and necessary. She has also gone out of her way, throughout her entire life, to foster life-long connections with people outside the world of politics and policy, real people, "little people" who couldn't possibly be of any cynical use to her. And if you think she started making friends with these people four decades ago just so she would be able to point to them for some hypothetical future run for office... I don't know what to tell you.

She has spent her life in public service and party politics. Think about that... there is simply no way that anyone could do that without making instant enemies out of a vast swath of the population, no matter what. THAT is where these stories of "Secret Service agents hate her guts" and "oh she was mean to a chef one time what a bitch" come from. You HAVE to take this into account.

The bottom line for me is that the people who know Hillary Clinton best are among her greatest admirers. The people who know Trump best are among his greatest detractors. That tells me something, right there.

J

Well, except for the tens of thousands of Libyans she killed. To me that is disqualifying.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016 ... a-country/

[coffin_dodger]

JR:

That you are probably a repulsive slug in real life is likely...

...when your very pat and simplistic and often fact-free views...

I guess you must harbor a lot of anger...

All this suggests a very immature person...

...it suggests a man who is probably very frustrated and hateful at having to deal with people who are smarter than him... (my personal favourite - condescending and using intelligence as a weapon)

I'm guessing you might have got lousy SATs...

You could learn, but you prefer to make apologies...

One can actually be a lot more than a hateful slug...

This constant, unremitting belittlement of the intellectual capacity of anyone in disagreement is so indicative of elitist thinking structures.
It's losing its power quickly, though.

[seemslikeadream]

did you even read the link?

I REPEAT

It's fucking FOX NEWS ...INSIDE SOURCES SAY

like the right wing has been saying over and over again for 11 months now ...Clinton to be indicted any moment

but Trump has actually been indicted and going to trial Nov. 28 for fraud and the rape trial starts Dec. 13

Rory and others posted this, but it's from RealClearPolitics. Whom everyone on the hill, white house, media cites as the be all end all above-reproach site.
And sounds like a big hammer about to drop on Hillary
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _case.html

I'm seeing a lot of info pointing toward much bigger FBI bombshells to hit in the next few days. If the Clintons/DNC has November surprise tapes against Trump, they
better drop those tactical nukes now.

And, for what it is worth

The Cubs Have A Smaller Chance Of Winning Than Trump Does

oops.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the ... trump-does

[Sounder]

JR:

That you are probably a repulsive slug in real life is likely...

...when your very pat and simplistic and often fact-free views...

I guess you must harbor a lot of anger...

All this suggests a very immature person...

...it suggests a man who is probably very frustrated and hateful at having to deal with people who are smarter than him... (my personal favourite - condescending and using intelligence as a weapon)

I'm guessing you might have got lousy SATs...

You could learn, but you prefer to make apologies...

One can actually be a lot more than a hateful slug...

dodger wrote...
This constant, unremitting belittlement of the intellectual capacity of anyone in disagreement is so indicative of elitist thinking structures.
It's losing its power quickly, though.

My favorite is; I guess you must harbor a lot of anger...

Smart people are considered smart because they are the ones that know best how to converse and convince in terms of our current 'categories of understanding'. Therefor they are most responsible for the maintenance of intellectual structures, our dominant narrative. They are then the ones responsible for the messed-upness in this world, not regular people.

Elitists feed us shit then deride folk as being stupid if they choose to not eat that shit.

[Searcher08]

http://www.dunwalke.com/10_Clinton_Administration.htm

The Clinton administration drove the privatizing of prisons. Jamie Gorelick went on to join the 9/11 Cover-up Commission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick

[JackRiddler]

Gentlemen, I hold you both in high esteem, but this should probably end right around now. Like a hockey game shake hands and skate off. This is not a competition but rather a discussion of sorts. There is no need to presume what the other person is like. Don't do it. Let's keep it on topic.

I presume little about Nordic and never talk about his alleged personal qualities when he doesn't venture to attribute personal qualities to me. I respond sometimes to things he says, as I just did to the racist statement he made above. Again:

I wish people understood that. The disdain and scorn people in most of my universe rain down upon Trump supporters is the nastiest, most condescending, elitist shit you can imagine. It's no different from racism, but without the race aspect. The Trump supporters I know actually don't fit the model of the banjo-twanging rabid redneck retards that the Snooty Dems think they are.

Trump uses racism as an explicit appeal, which the KKK understands and endorses. When he loses his campaign will blame the "rigging" of the "inner city" vote through individual vote fraud (not voting machines or whatever people here might think are the devices of election fraud). This was made clear to me in a discussion by someone who works for Trump in Trump Tower, by the way. That's a tall gilt building in New York City, owned by a New York would-be billionaire who is now, according to Nordic, hearing the cry of the poorest white folk in West Virginia.

But Nordic tells us that to be critical of the views of those who have, as adults, elected to support this campaign is exactly the same as... racism! A classic racist move, but he should be glad that I'm allowing "really stupid" as an excuse. The two are overlapping but not congruent categories.

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[coffin_dodger]

Sounder:

Smart people are considered smart because they are the ones that know best how to converse and convince in terms of our current 'categories of understanding'. Therefor they are most responsible for the maintenance of intellectual structures, our dominant narrative. They are then the ones responsible for the messed-upness in this world, not regular people.

Just to add that I am not against intellectualism per se, rather the constant weaponisation of it.
It's prevelent at RI, particlarly from posters such as JR, bph, Dr Evil and AD. If you don't agree, you are STUPID. If you don't agree, you are a NAZI. It's a system generated superiority complex that blinds critical, structural thinking - to itself. It's like a drug - the more praise heaped upon the propogator by fellow bipartisans, the greater the sense of superiority the propogator feels as his words are acknowledged as 'truth', the more narrow his or her tolerance of other views becomes - the end point being casual dismissal of anything other than total compliance. STUPID. or. NAZI. It's rather lazy, to be honest. An easy dismissal. Lowest common denominator.

[JackRiddler]

If you don't agree, you are STUPID. If you don't agree, you are a NAZI.

Then there is the possibility that you say things that are stupid, or Nazi.

I'm enjoying the self-exposure in the above post of the view that smart people, not specific ones but as such, are the group responsible for the world's evils. Confused about bad things? Unwilling to read or consider ideas outside your accustomed circle of self-confirming nonsense? Blame smart people!

[coffin_dodger]

If you don't agree, you are STUPID. If you don't agree, you are a NAZI.

Then there is the possibility that you say things that are stupid, or Nazi.

I'm enjoying the self-exposure in the above post of the view that smart people, not specific ones but as such, are the group responsible for the world's evils. Confused about bad things? Unwilling to read or consider ideas outside your accustomed circle of self-confirming nonsense? Blame smart people!

I think you missed my point. I explicitly stated the individuals here at RI that consider themselves 'very smart' and use that as a weapon for dismissal. I know and respect lots of 'smart' people - particularly because they don't weaponise intellect like you do. It's an ism that those that suffer from are last to see. But I guess that's the case of any ism. Incidentally - again - the mocking, derisory tone of "confused about bad things?" indicates you have little or no self-awareness beyond you own brilliance. It must be terribly frustrating for you.

[seemslikeadream]

you need not bring up mocking

[coffin_dodger]

you need not bring up mocking

I have no idea why you have taken such a vitriolic attitude towards me, slad. Literally, no idea. Having said that, you jumping on the bandwagon whenever I get into a spat with another member, chipping in with some comment - is starting to wear thin. I apologise unreservedly for whatever sleight I have unwittingly (and unintentially) offended you with. I am quite happy to discontinue posting here if anyone objects to my presence. Please speak up if I make you uncomfortable.

[JackRiddler]

I'm doing fine. Thanks for your dishonest, mocking concern. Otherwise your vague generalizations about your feelings about posters on this board whom you randomly lump together as the "weaponizers of intellect" don't concern me.

I don't tolerate sophistry that apologizes for racism. Doesn't matter whether its execution is "smart" or "stupid." Many white people can't stand hearing that they might have been in the vicinity of racism, fancy that. So they deflect. A typical deflection is in attacking the messenger. Not something that's going to upset me.

Think how simple this would be if Nordic had the presence of mind to just ponder and come to see this is a very false and pretty stupid thing to say, and serves as an apology for racism (and specifically the racism of Trump), instead of having conniptions about being called on it and running his mouth at people he doesn't know.

I wish people understood that. The disdain and scorn people in most of my universe rain down upon Trump supporters is the nastiest, most condescending, elitist shit you can imagine. It's no different from racism, but without the race aspect. The Trump supporters I know actually don't fit the model of the banjo-twanging rabid redneck retards that the Snooty Dems think they are.

"It's no different from racism, minus the race aspect."



See that burned church? Really it's no different from what elective Trump supporters suffer when some Hollywood people Nordic works for in LA say mean things about them.

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[JackRiddler]

I am quite happy to discontinue posting here if anyone objects to my presence.

Anyone? Okay, I'll take you up on your freely made offer.