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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:50 pm

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At least one of the Trumpets around here cannot count to "majority." He-she-it probably does not know what a plurality is. Can he tell us the formula for apportioning electors without googling it first? Possibly.


2016 Presidential, Popular Vote
99% of precincts reporting (Nov 10 @ 17:48 EST)


Hillary Clinton
Democratic Party
48%
60,122,876

Donald Trump
Republican Party
47%
59,821,874

Gary Johnson
Libertarian Party
3%
4,087,972

Jill Stein
Green Party
1%
1,223,828

Other candidates
0.7%
804,453

Candidates in the last three presidential elections, ranked in order of vote totals:
1. Obama 2008: 69.4 million
2. Obama 2012: 65.9 million
3. Romney 2012: 60.9 million
4. Clinton 2016: 60.1 million (99%)
5. McCain 2008: 59.9 million
6. Trump 2016: 59.8 million (99%)
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:10 pm

dada » 10 Nov 2016 16:41 wrote:
I have a pretty wide video game social group that is wondering where the fuck I am recently. Classic/retro scene. I actually have the world record on qbert. (Not something I'm proud of, but it's true. I'm on trading cards, in the guinness book, and everything)


Congratulations. The length of time one? I like the numbers.

Anyway you should be proud of it because an effort like that (no matter how trivial it might seem) does the limits of what humans are capable of a bit further than they were previously.

just saying. :thumbsup
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:22 pm

(response from a thread I'm no longer posting in)

According to guruilla, racism is like, when anyone talks about it. That constitutes hatred of deeply sensitive white guys, especially if they're online entities. Talking about it in any way is so racist that they get no choice but to vote for Trump. This is totally what happened. I doubt anyone would have voted for Trump at all, otherwise, but your liberals talking about racism forced them.

guruilla also seems to think "Trump came out of nowhere"? Just nowhere, never heard of him before. So maybe he was being groomed for power by the PTB?! The billionaire (at least theoretically) who's been among the 10 or 20 best-known names in the U.S. since the late 1980s, and therefore was nationally known before anyone outside Arkansas could name the Clintons? The guy who had 14 seasons of a top-rated network TV show? Yeah, groomed he was - by his KKK member father. (But sorry, there I go, being racist again by saying anything about precious white people who are so hurt by mentioning it.)
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:30 pm

JackRiddler » 11 Nov 2016 00:45 wrote:
Everyone else has just got to get over their own identity issues, but not our precious (and largely fictional, a propaganda construct) sensitive white people! Kiss them, kiss them, wherever you meet!


Its always been like that, why would now be any different?
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:32 pm

JackRiddler » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:22 pm wrote:(response from a thread I'm no longer posting in)

According to guruilla, racism is like, when anyone talks about it. That constitutes hatred of deeply sensitive white guys, especially if they're online entities. Talking about it in any way is so racist that they get no choice but to vote for Trump. This is totally what happened. I doubt anyone would have voted for Trump at all, otherwise, but your liberals talking about racism forced them.

guruilla also seems to think "Trump came out of nowhere"? Just nowhere, never heard of him before. So maybe he was being groomed for power by the PTB?! The billionaire (at least theoretically) who's been among the 10 or 20 best-known names in the U.S. since the late 1980s, and therefore was nationally known before anyone outside Arkansas could name the Clintons? The guy who had 14 seasons of a top-rated network TV show? Yeah, groomed he was - by his KKK member father. (But sorry, there I go, being racist again by saying anything about precious white people who are so hurt by mentioning it.)



But isn't that the same thing some white males (a certain select asshole group) argue that people are too sensitive. "Special snowflakes' and their safe spaces?
Do white males need a safe space now too? It very hypocritical as I see it. Their asshole leader says we 'don't have time to be politically correct'. Goose, gander and sauce.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:36 pm

BTW Jack. Your about the only person on earth who I have heard refer to those voting numbers and make some accurate sense of them.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:22 pm

Hey Jack, what do you think of these numbers?


Here are 14 shocking things from exit polls that the mainstream media isn’t talking about

Sarah K. Burris
10 Nov 2016 at 13:11 ET

Many networks did their own exit polling. That is, they asked people who voted a series of questions after they voted so that people could understand the attitudes of those who voted for Donald Trump, those who voted for Hillary Clinton and those who voted for a third-party candidate.

Here are the most shocking takeaways from the exits:

1. Hillary Clinton won with working class voters:

The conventional wisdom has been that poor, working class whites from rural areas got Donald Trump elected. While Trump certainly won rural voters by 62 percent, working-class Americans didn’t support him as much as they supported Clinton. That group certainly did help him more than they helped Mitt Romney in 2012, however. According to the New York Times exit polls, Trump only got 41 percent of those who earn under $30,000 a year and 42 percent of those earning between $30,000 and $50,000. Those who make over $50,000 a year in income supported him more.

2. Moderates did not support Donald Trump:

Something the mainstream media has left out of the discussion is that, while Trump won over 59 million votes, over 64 million voters voted against him. Democrats understandably broke for Clinton but Independent voters did too by 48 percent. Obama only got 45 percent of Independent voters. Those who identify as moderate, however, went for Clinton to the tune of 52 percent compared to Trump’s 41 percent. That means that the Independent voters that came out to the polls on Tuesday were conservative ones, not necessarily middle of the road voters. Obama won moderates by 56 percent in 2012.

3. An overwhelming number of Obama supporters did not vote for Trump:

One of the narratives that took hold on Election Night and the following day was that there must have been a substantial percentage of Obama supporting Democrats who supported Donald Trump. That is absolutely false. The reality is that the election looked more like 2010 than it did 2012 or 2008. Fewer Democrats came out to the polls and an overwhelming number of conservatives did. Only 10 percent of people who believed Obama was doing a good job as president voted for Trump. But that number wasn’t equal on the other side. Only 6 percent of anti-Obama people voted for Clinton.

4. The “I hate Trump” vote was smaller than the “I hate Hillary” vote.

If you thought the Never Trump movement was huge and powerful, they didn’t seem to be big enough to eclipse the “Never Hillary” crowd. Clinton was only able to get 39 percent of people who hated Trump to vote for her while Trump scored 51 percent of anti-Clinton supporters.

5. There really are people who think Trump is unfit to serve but still voted for him.

Shockingly, one out of 5 people who said that Donald Trump does not have the temperament to serve effectively as president still voted for him. A little over one in 100 people who said Clinton doesn’t have the temperament still voted for her. According to the CNN exit polls a full 15 percent of those who had an unfavorable opinion of Trump still voted for him.

6. People who don’t trust Donald Trump and don’t trust Hillary Clinton still voted for them.

The same as number five above is true here. One in five people who said that Trump was not honest and trustworthy still voted to support him for president. The same is true for Clinton, who also got one in five.

7. Older Americans voted for Trump but it wasn’t just millennials that rejected him.

Wednesday, Raw Story wrote about the support Clinton earned from millennial voters, but Clinton won with a majority of voters under 45, the CNN exit polls report. She got 55 percent of 18-29-year-olds and 50 percent of 30-44-year-olds. These numbers were down for Clinton from Obama in 2012, however. He won 18-29-year-olds by 60 percent and 30-44-year-olds with 52 percent.

8. White college graduate women did support Clinton over Trump.

There seems to be a narrative among mainstream media that Clinton lost white college-educated men and women. According to the CNN exit polls that isn’t true. Clinton won white college-educated women by 51 percent to Trump’s 45 percent. She did lose white college educated men, however, with only 39 percent compared to Trump’s 62 percent. CNN didn’t break their data down that way in 2012 to compare it to Obama.

9. Married men voted for Trump but their wives didn’t.

There were anecdotal stories that canvassers noted that in some states that white married men were turning away Clinton canvassers attempting to talk to their wives. Whether that is true or not, married women supported Clinton at 49 percent over Trump’s 47 percent. Compared to 37 percent of married men who supported Clinton and 58 percent voted for Trump.

10. Mormons still supported Trump overwhelmingly.

While Evan McMullin tried to carry the values of family and faith to his fellow Mormons and those in Utah, he came in third in his home state. An overwhelming 61 percent of Mormon voters supported Trump despite his “values” and only recently found faith.

11. Active duty military broke for Clinton.

There was a rumor that service members were overwhelmingly supportive of Donald Trump, who advocated sending troops into a ground war in Syria and possibly back in Iraq. Those rumors weren’t true. While veterans broke for Trump (61 percent) those serving now, those who would probably be fighting in the possible wars voted Clinton but only 5 percent above Trump.

12. Comey’s announcement could actually have had a substantial impact.

A full 50 percent of Americans decided to vote for Trump after James Comey’s announcement that he was looking into Clinton’s emails again. That final portion of the campaign showed that Comey’s message could have had an impact. Of the 13 percent of voters who decided in the final weeks after the announcement 47 percent went Trump and only 42 percent went for Clinton. In those very close states like Michigan and Wisconsin, it could have been a factor.

13. A majority of Americans felt negative about the idea of a Trump presidency.

While Trump voters think they have an overwhelming number of supporters among Americans, they’re wrong. A surprising 57 percent of those surveyed said that they felt negative about Trump becoming president. Surprisingly, 14 percent of them still voted for him.

14. A majority of Americans were bothered by Trump’s treatment of women but some still supported him.

A full 50 percent of those surveyed admitted they were troubled by the way Trump treats women. Yet, a little over one in ten of them voted for him anyway. An even more shocking number is that 20 percent said that they were bothered by Trump’s treatment of women, however, 75 percent of them still voted for him.

BONUS: Those who said the debates mattered – voted Trump.

Perhaps the most shocking, while many argued Clinton trounced Trump in the debates, 82 percent of people said that the debates helped decide their vote. Of those, 50 percent broke for Trump with only 47 percent going for Clinton.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:34 pm

Joe, that is pretty sad. All one has to do is google "election 2016" and you get these numbers displayed. (One still must click on "popular vote.") It's no secret, nothing denied. It's just "elusive information." Who actually won the one-person one-vote election.

stillRP, All very interesting. Some I knew or guessed. The "working class Trump" vote especially, a myth. It's the same old "working class Republican" vote, without a change. With certainty about half are part of the Christianist base.

But right now I'd like to focus on the reality that for the second time in 16 years, the official runner-up of the official popular vote count is going to be installed because of the electoral college system. And said runner-up is being presented as a landslide winner, although he gathered the least votes of any Republican or Democratic candidate since 2008. (Pending the last 1% of precincts reporting.)

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:37 pm

2012 Countdown » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:32 pm wrote:But isn't that the same thing some white males (a certain select asshole group) argue that people are too sensitive. "Special snowflakes' and their safe spaces?
Do white males need a safe space now too? It very hypocritical as I see it. Their asshole leader says we 'don't have time to be politically correct'. Goose, gander and sauce.


White males have always had a safe space, America. It's a sliding scale safe-space, much safer the richer they are, the better positioned, the more conforming to sociopolitical norms and images of what a MAN is supposed to be. Plenty get almost no safe at all. But generally safer than any other group.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby DrEvil » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:17 pm

I just have to vent some steam, so apologies in advance to the Trumpists here, it's (almost) nothing personal.

If you voted for Trump you voted for a guy who doesn't understand why he can't use nuclear weapons, a guy who thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax and wants to go full bore on coal, fracking and drilling, a guy who brags about committing sexual assault, a guy who makes fun of disabled people, a guy who wants to register all Muslims in a database (more convenient than making them all wear yellow crescents) and ban them from the country, a guy who wants to bomb the shit out of the Middle East and take their oil, a guy who wants to torture terrorists and kill their families, a guy who wants to start a trade war with China, a guy who wants to destroy healthcare in the US, a guy who wants to build a wall on the border, a guy who wants to repeal Dodd-Frank, a guy who wants to punish women who have abortions, a guy who wants to gag journalists who are critical of him, a guy who wants to deport 11 million people with a special deportation force (aka brownshirts) and a guy who wants to be able to turn off parts of the internet.

That's who you voted for, and I haven't even mentioned Pence who is, if possible, even worse.

If you voted for Trump you support all of those things. You don't get to pick and choose the parts you agree with; Trump is not a fucking buffet, you voted for all of it. You support racism, misogyny, torture and war crimes, whether you want to admit it to yourself or not.

You voted for an authoritarian theocracy, now go choke on it you dumb fucks morons.

Oh, and don't give me any bullshit about Trump not actually meaning all of those things. That's actually worse. You would be admitting that he's just another vanilla lying sack of shit politician, and you still voted for him!
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby slomo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:31 pm

It's very interesting that the folks who are trying to explain why Trump won are being labeled "Trumpets" or "Trumpists" or whatever.

For the record, I held my nose and voted for who I judged to be the lesser of two evils: HRC.

That doesn't stop me from understanding where (some of) the other side is coming from.

Also, in case your snide little jab was aimed at me, Jack, I can count, I just have a different interpretation of the missing data than you do. I really appreciate that you are demonstrating, all by yourself, without any prompting, the very attitude that turns people off in the Flyover States. :hug2: :heartflowers:
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby dada » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:11 am

Joe Hillshoist » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:10 pm wrote:Congratulations. The length of time one? I like the numbers.

Anyway you should be proud of it because an effort like that (no matter how trivial it might seem) does the limits of what humans are capable of a bit further than they were previously.

just saying. :thumbsup


eh, I was working some shit out. Some people close to me died, and I got into old games to escape instead of self-destruct.

Yes, length of time, eighty-five hours. Broke a thirty year old record. Lots of people tried and failed. I failed a few times before I finally did it, too.

I find it fitting that I'm talking about this in the 'congratulations, stupid' thread. haha

The endurance game is no big thing, any monkey can do it with a bit of practice and training. I also have the qbert 'tournament' world record, you only get five lives. I lasted eight hours on that one. That took some skill, attention, and concentration at least.

There's much more to this story, all of it trivial and oh so fascinating. Maybe another thread, another time.

For those who aren't familiar, the qbert game is a color puzzle played on a pyramid of cubes. Staring at the screen for as long as I did, does not make you the secret inner head of the illuminati. However, it does make you secret grand master of the rosicrucians. Don't believe it.

Here's a picture of me and my friend Walter, the 'patron saint of video games.' My hair is short now.

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby dada » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:16 am

slomo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:31 pm wrote: I really appreciate that you are demonstrating, all by yourself, without any prompting, the very attitude that turns people off in the Flyover States. :hug2: :heartflowers:


Are you upsetting the denizens of internet land again, Jack?

What are we going to do with you.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:26 am

slomo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:31 pm wrote:Also, in case your snide little jab was aimed at me, Jack, I can count, I just have a different interpretation of the missing data than you do. I really appreciate that you are demonstrating, all by yourself, without any prompting, the very attitude that turns people off in the Flyover States. :hug2: :heartflowers:


Why would you think it was directed at you? It was a response to a post that literally said a "majority" had chosen Trump, by someone who has shown contempt for numbers and caring to figure out reality empirically.

I wouldn't think that of you, aren't you a working scientist? I don't recall being snide to you, either, since you write like a serious person, even if often devoted to precepts I find frustratingly obtuse. Just don't assume, okay?

Your idea that the behavior of grown people, in voting for a campaign of explicit racism and authoritarianism that will fuck up most of their lives, do so with some level of merited sympathy because they are provoked into it by snide comments from random individuals (that they freely decide apply to themselves), or because they feel intimidated somehow by the edumacated city dwellers, is ludicrous and insulting - to THEM.

I know my own passel of Trump voters well, and they got snideness aplenty to dish out, and it ain't their primary fault, and they ain't such wilting flowers. Some of them worship at the altar of snide shit-sacks like Limbaugh (and never mind how he may have stood in this election).

This is, in reality, an apologetic myth by the liberal media who are going to blame everyone for Trump other than those who gave him 20 minutes of free news coverage in 2015 for every 7 given to Clinton, while Sanders got about 20 seconds, if that.

You know what it reminds me of? The whining about supposed "microaggressions" by those accused of having the hated "identity politics." Same thing, white version, except much worse.

Furthermore, the implication that the Trump voters were extraordinarily of the "white working class" compared to the voters of the prior Republican trolls is without any basis in the voting numbers or the polling. Trump a) lost the actual vote of actual people by a close margin and b) got slightly less than the comparatively elitist (and fellow billionaire) Romney in most categories and most states. Still stillrobertpaulson's post avocve. It is the odious MSM spin machine out in front calling this a populist revolt, and thus legitimating this monster they almost more than anyone else helped to create as a man of the flyover people!

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby tapitsbo » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:30 am

I'm less upset than when I opened this thread

who cares if trump lives or dies. much has been made clear from all sides

I think the Trump supporters would own up to "identity politics", or a lot of them would. See if you can provoke counter-protests I guess?

I did see a lot of Serious White Male Leftists complaining about identity politics this morning, to deaf or bemused ears. I'm pretty sure those are the only people who have a problem with "identity politics" anymore.

This is a lot more entertaining than the threads we would have seen with a Clinton victory.

DrEvil did the Clinton campaign pay her Norwegian donors back yet? Good riddance to the now-irrelevant pundits who backed her!

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