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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:36 am

Luther Blissett » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:38 pm wrote:That new Tribe album is fucking killing me these days.


And they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing!


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Steve Bannon: White supremacists celebrate Donald Trump's appointment of far-right Breitbart boss
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby OP ED » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:58 am

seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:16 pm wrote:voted for Greens but you pay taxes

how's that working out for you?

btw

Trump predicted to tap mastermind of Bush torture program as CIA chief

so he may not start killing lots of people but he'll be able to torture a few

I don't know really. I know that when I do end up in the streets protesting an environmental or social justice cause that the Greens show up.

The Democrats throw tantrums when they don't get their way, but not much else going on about anything. They're remaining remarkably silent on a great many current events.

I don't see the DP as an ally in these conflicts so much as an obstacle that has to be overcome as they continually urge us to give their Republican friends a chance and refuse to even consider more aggressive responses to social problems. I mean if global warming was caused by a small nation of brown people, HRC and her surrogates would be all over them, but problems that can't be carpet bombed get ignored.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:04 am

Donald Trump
Donald Trump on his ISIS plan: “We’ve got to do something with the internet.” [Wired, 12/8/15]
Donald Trump on his ISIS plan: “I’m looking to take the oil. I want to take the oil. I want the oil.” [The Hill, 11/8/15]
Donald Trump on his ISIS plan: “I would bomb the shit out of them.” [Real Clear Politics, 11/13/15]
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby The Consul » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:30 pm

To those who say I wore pantsuits I say fuck you, asshole.
To those who question my knowledge of fascism, I say, fuck you, asshole.

There is a reason why Jeff hardly bothers with this place anymore. It is being dominated by fuckheads and assholes.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:08 pm

The Consul » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:30 am wrote:To those who say I wore pantsuits I say fuck you, asshole.
To those who question my knowledge of fascism, I say, fuck you, asshole.

There is a reason why Jeff hardly bothers with this place anymore. It is being dominated by fuckheads and assholes.


so nice he said it twice :wink:
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby brekin » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:25 pm

OP ED wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:16 pm wrote:voted for Greens but you pay taxes
how's that working out for you?
btw
Trump predicted to tap mastermind of Bush torture program as CIA chief
so he may not start killing lots of people but he'll be able to torture a few

I don't know really. I know that when I do end up in the streets protesting an environmental or social justice cause that the Greens show up.


Well you won't have to worry about that anymore cause your protesting days are done.
Unless you are going to be dragging a large cross through the streets spray painted that says you didn't vote and helped elect Trump who will undo every environmental and social justice cause that the Greens believe in.
Don't worry there are crosses big enough to write all that.
Knowing what you did of Trump you can't go on and complain of what is coming now when you did nothing to stop him.
And your doing nothing helped elect him.
So don't you complain, babe.
Don't let me hear you complain, babe.
Pretending to be what you're not, you see, will only bring you crying.

Lollipop Train

Go on and sleep away the memories of night time fun,
I'd never hassle with you like most guys would have done,
And I've never questioned you 'bout where you go
and all the things you do.
So don't you complain, babe. Don't let me hear you complain, babe.
You're riding on a lollipop train and you never had it so good.
The bed of roses that you seek you could never lie in
Pretending to be what you're not, you see, will only bring you crying.

Ah you better roll it over in your mind carefully
Before you see that you could do far better than me.
Ow, look at the queen in her ragged gown
demanding to her jester a crown to hold.
So don't you complain, babe. Don't let me hear you complain, babe.
You're riding on a lollipop train and you never had it so good.
Yeah, don't you complain, babe. Don't let me hear you complain, babe.
You're riding on a lollipop train and you never had it so good.


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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:57 pm

OP ED » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:58 am wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:16 pm wrote:voted for Greens but you pay taxes

how's that working out for you?

btw

Trump predicted to tap mastermind of Bush torture program as CIA chief

so he may not start killing lots of people but he'll be able to torture a few

I don't know really. I know that when I do end up in the streets protesting an environmental or social justice cause that the Greens show up.

The Democrats throw tantrums when they don't get their way, but not much else going on about anything. They're remaining remarkably silent on a great many current events.

I don't see the DP as an ally in these conflicts so much as an obstacle that has to be overcome as they continually urge us to give their Republican friends a chance and refuse to even consider more aggressive responses to social problems. I mean if global warming was caused by a small nation of brown people, HRC and her surrogates would be all over them, but problems that can't be carpet bombed get ignored.


you need to understand this........the Green Party is not going to save you

republicans are one state away from a Constitutional Convention

in March they were six states away

FEATURES » MARCH 14, 2016
Corporate America Is Just 6 States Short of a Constitutional Convention
If ALEC succeeds in rewriting the constitution to mandate a balanced budget, we’ll be stuck with supply-side economics for at least a generation.
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What would stop this constitutional convention from turning out like the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, which led to the scrapping of the Articles of Confederation and the drafting of an entirely new U.S. Constitution?
In February, Republican presidential hopeful Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) signed on to a call for a constitutional convention to help defeat “the Washington cartel [that] has put special interest spending ahead of the American people.”

Cruz, along with fellow Republican presidential aspirants Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) and Gov. John Kasich (Ohio), has endorsed an old conservative goal of a Constitutional amendment to mandate a balanced federal budget. The idea sounds fanciful, but free-market ideologues associated with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a secretive group of right-wing legislators and their corporate allies, are close to pulling off a coup that could devastate the economy, which is just emerging from a recession. Their scheme could leave Americans reeling for generations. A balanced budget amendment would prevent the federal government from following the Keynesian strategy of stimulating the economy during an economic depression by increasing the national debt. (Since 1970, the United States has had a balanced budget in only four years: 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001.)

Article V of the Constitution lays out two routes for changing the law of the land: An amendment can be proposed by Congress or by a constitutional convention that is convened by two-thirds of the states (34). Either way, three-fourths of the states (38) have to ratify it. Previously, changes to the country’s founding document have been achieved by the first process. But as of today, 28 states—six shy of the two-thirds threshold required by Article V—have passed resolutions calling for a constitutional convention to consider a balanced budget amendment.

The ALEC-affiliated Balanced Budget Amendment Task Force (BBATF), which proffered the pledge signed by Cruz, is hoping to meet that 34-state threshold by July 4. BBATF is one player in an astroturf movement backed by the billionaire Koch brothers and embraced by right-wing state legislators.

A balanced budget amendment has long been a holy grail for the Right since the 1930s. In the 1980s, conservatives made a push for a balanced budget constitutional convention and, 20 years later, the idea was resurrected as part of the Tea Party platform. That’s when BBATF was formed to carry the movement forward. With 16 resolutions held over from the previous wave of conservative activism, BBATF has since passed resolutions in Alabama (2011), New Hampshire (2012), Ohio (2013), Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Michigan, Louisiana (2014), South Dakota, North Dakota, Utah (2015) and West Virginia (2016), bringing the total to 28. This year, BBATF is targeting 13 states: Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming. In six of these states Republicans control both legislative bodies and the governorship, making passage a real possibility and leaving BBATF one state shy of the magic 34.

Domino effect
While the BBATF’s 27 resolutions are tied specifically to the balanced budget amendment, a group called Citizens for Self-Governance launched a project called Convention of States, whose proposal for a constitutional convention has also been adopted by ALEC as a model policy. Convention of States has passed resolutions calling for a convention in Florida, Georgia (2014), Alabama, Arkansas (2015) and Tennessee (2016). Convention of States advocates a constitutional convention to not only pass a balanced budget amendment, but also to curtail the “power and jurisdiction of the federal government.” What precisely this means and how it would be accomplished is not clear. This uncertainty at once whets the appetite of anti-government zealots while raising serious concerns about a “runaway” convention that could make drastic changes to the Constitution.

Both BBATF and Convention of States have struggled to address worries of a runaway convention. What would stop it from turning out like the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, which led to the scrapping of the Articles of Confederation and the drafting of an entirely new U.S. Constitution?

To address these concerns, a group called Compact for America, which has passed resolutions in Alaska, Georgia, Mississippi and North Dakota, has proposed that states combine their calls for a constitutional convention with the final ratification process. This would mean states attending the convention would propose the amendment and ratify it in one fell swoop, which would require the 38 states needed for ratification under Article V, not just the 34 needed to call a convention.

Convention of States and BBATF have tried to quell fears of a runaway convention by saying the convention would be bound by the subject matter of the resolutions, and that the convention only has the power to propose amendments, which then must be ratified by the required 38 states.

That the subject matter of the resolutions will prevent a runaway convention may make sense in reference to the BBATF, whose resolutions focus specifically on the balanced budget amendment, but when applied to the Convention of States’ agenda, the argument fails, as the subject of their resolutions includes broad language to curb the power and jurisdiction of the federal government. Convention of States spokesman Michael Farris has written that, “It is relatively certain that there would be at least a few amendments proposed, perhaps as many as 10 to 12.” In other words, if Convention of States has its way, there could well be a runaway convention.

Within striking distance
Arn Pearson at the Center for Media and Democracy, a watchdog group based in Madison, Wisc., is closely tracking the movement. He describes the campaign for a constitutional convention as “a very live threat.” “If between the groups they get to 34 states,” he says, “there is really nothing preventing them from aggregating those calls even if they’re not identical, and pushing for a convention.”

Another uncertainty, Pearson notes, is the controversy over whether the 16 resolutions left over from the effort in the 1980s can still be counted. There is no precedent to lean on. Pro-convention advocates maintain that Congress, which is tasked with processing the states’ applications, may not meddle with the process. If a state doesn’t want a convention, they argue, it can rescind its application. Pearson suspects the Supreme Court would get involved.

“There are a lot of different parts of the Koch machine pulling on this oar,” says Pearson, “from their think tanks up through their elected officials, they’re pushing on it. They’re pushing on it hard.” And, given how red BBATF’s 2016 target states are, says Pearson, “it’s within striking distance. If [ALEC and the Koch brothers] get a convention,” says Pearson, “they get to lock in their conservative supply-side policies for the next generation or more. That’s where they’re going.”

The Kochs and company, with their gridlock of Washington, have bred a type of discontent that has made once unimaginable change possible.

Tugging on citizen discontent, Convention of States’ propaganda highlights the 2013 government shutdown, creeping NSA surveillance, Gallup polls showing Americans’ dissatisfaction with “government” and tales of federal bureaucratic waste.

But such a convention is not the tonic to satiate this discontent. Democratic control is what the American people yearn for, but that is not what the convention would offer.

Maybe the alternative is the revolution Bernie Sanders is envisioning: Electing insurgent candidates to Congress, state and local office; strengthening and expanding direct democratic institutions like the ballot initiative process; making constitutional changes that elevate democratic decisions above corporate personhood; and building a movement that engages the thousands of communities where democratic governance has been all but quashed by ALEC-endorsed legal doctrine and legislation.

Editor's note: This story was updated after West Virginia passed a resolution on March 12.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18940/a ... convention
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:00 pm

The Consul » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:30 am wrote:To those who say I wore pantsuits I say fuck you, asshole.
To those who question my knowledge of fascism, I say, fuck you, asshole.

There is a reason why Jeff hardly bothers with this place anymore. It is being dominated by fuckheads and assholes.


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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:05 pm

GOP Platform’s Hideous Plan to “Rebirth” the Constitution
By Rmuse on Mon, Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:59 am

"If God-given natural rights come in conflict with government, court, or human-granted rights, God-given natural rights always prevail."



* The following is an opinion column by R Muse *

If Americans weren’t so inherently ignorant, all of them would understand that the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land. If all Americans were aware of that rudimentary fact, they would likely better comprehend why an overwhelming majority of actions the Republican Party base and funders support are patently unconstitutional and violate the 227 year old ‘Law of the Land.’

The problem with Republicans, and there are many problems, is that not only do they violate their sworn oath to defend the Constitution, they have demonstrated as of late that they fundamentally reject the Constitution as the law of the land. This is not conjecture anymore because according to a section of the 2016 Republican Party official Platform, the Constitution as the immutable law of the land is a principle they reject out of hand; and they have a plan to “reshape” the founding document to fit their tyrannical theocratic and plutocratic vision of American society.

There is a world of badness in the GOP Party platform, but nothing as dangerous to America’s 238 year existence as one overlooked section devoted to “reforming” the Constitution. Republicans do not love the Constitution as they are wont to iterate and now it is officially part of the party platform. In fact, they are so opposed to the “current document” that the official party platform dedicated seven of 66 pages to a revealing sectioned called “A Rebirth of Constitutional Government.”

In order to “rebirth” the 227 year-old “Law of the Land,” Republicans combined “the most radical ideas offered by modern day libertarian scholars with the rhetoric of Christian conservatism” in their vision that will “rebirth America.” Subsequently, this “rebirthed” Constitution idea fundamentally reforms the current Constitution, and American society according to “a distinctly Republican version of the Constitution:” one that allows them to rule according to religion, Koch-style libertarianism and oligarchy.

The official Republican plan to “rebirth” the Constitution opens with a decidedly theocratic declaration of set-in-stone Party principles:

“That God bestows certain inalienable rights on every individual, thus producing human equality; that government exists first and foremost to protect those inalienable [god] rights; that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights; and that if God-given, natural, inalienable rights come in conflict with government, court, or human-granted rights, God-given, natural, inalienable rights always prevail.” (author bold)

As is typically the case with anything Republican, their reshaping the Constitution platform includes claims about what they determine are the nature of god-given natural rights, the least of which is that only Republicans understand and are authorized to mandate what god natural rights entail. For example, besides a ‘god-given’ right to spend unlimited amounts of money in elections, there is the ‘god-given’ natural right of organizations to “set their own membership standards” free from Constitutional anti-discrimination laws. And, there is the theocratic god-given “freedom of Americans to act in accordance with their religious beliefs;” even when those beliefs call for defying long-settled federal or state laws and the Constitution.

Those examples, according to Republicans, are just a small sampling of rights that Republicans claim are “not given to us by the government, but are rights they inherently possess” because they are naturally from the Christian god. They therefore automatically supersede any and all federal and state laws and of course naturally nullify the one document Republicans lust to reform because if prevents them from ruling according to what they say is god-given rights, the United States Constitution.

Buried within those seven pages toward a new Constitution is what Ian Millhiser at Think Progress rightly asserts is “the Platform’s single most radical line.” In addition to claiming that the First Amendment protects the god-given natural right to spend unlimited money on elections despite campaign finance laws, or commit discrimination in the name of religion despite the 1st and 14th Amendments, Republicans included “this remarkable statement: The government cannot use subsequent amendments to limit First Amendment rights.” Radical, although an apt term, does not quite cover the encompassing danger of a prohibition on the government passing laws, constitutional amendments, or judicial rulings using the Constitution to protect against tyranny.

This should be an outrage of epic proportion to all Americans because not only do Republicans, by way of their “theocratic Platform,” unilaterally interpret the First Amendment according to the Koch brothers and evangelical extremists, it “proclaims that the Republican interpretation of the First Amendment is impervious even to a new constitutional amendment that repudiates this [Republican] interpretation!”

What that means is, for example, a Democratic Congress and the states somehow ratify a constitutional amendment overturning Citizens United v. FEC. However, the Republican position is that the amendment would automatically be null and void according to their godly natural rights concept explained in the GOP 2016 platform. It also means that interpretation of the Constitution is the sole purview of the Republican Party and its corporate and religious overlords, depending on how they invoke their idea of what are their ‘god-given’ natural rights. Neither the Supreme Court, federal district and appellate judges, nor the United States Congress will have any say in overruling the GOP’s interpretation of what “god-given” natural rights are in perpetuity. This concept should frighten every American who draws a breath.

Now, many will say that a political party’s platform is more of a guideline than a set-in-stone agenda, and that is fundamentally true for Democrats. However, this idea of rewriting the Constitution to comport with religious extremists, fascists, and plutocrats is not a guideline because it has been a long-standing Republican goal; they just failed to come up with a clever means of seeing their mission to fruition. In fact, to demonstrate how open Republicans believe their base is to reshaping the Constitution and American society, this past week former Florida governor Jeb Bush said that if Democrats fail to go along with the Republican agenda, then Republicans will be “calling a constitutional convention of the states.”

As much as Republicans claim they love the Constitution, they have slowly built a means of ‘reshaping’ it to better fit the evangelical and corporate vision of America with Republicans playing god. They have systematically crushed Democrats in the states and are just 7 state majorities away from giving the Koch brothers and evangelical extremists the power to call for a constitutional convention; something the corporate and theocratic fascists have wanted for decades.

If any American believes Republicans will not invoke Article V of the currently-endangered U.S. Constitution to create a new god-centered law of the land, they are dangerously in error. The Republican Party platform’s section on ‘reshaping’ the Constitution is a temporary solution to sate vengeful evangelicals and power-hungry plutocrats intent on fundamentally creating a new nation and law of the land to better fit with what Republicans decide are the ‘godly natural rights the current Constitution does not allow.

There is no doubt Republicans have sufficient support among their religious, racist, and corporate supporters to ‘reform’ the Constitution to better fit their worldview, and this is not down to Donald Trump as the fascist nominee. If they aren’t constantly passing patently unconstitutional legislation in the states, they are railing on the judicial system as corrupt for ruling according to the law of the land, the Constitution. If Americans aren’t terrified of Republicans invoking god as the law of the land in their party platform, they should be quaking that Republicans have appointed themselves as the sole arbiters of what are god-given natural rights and they are not remotely afraid of publishing their intent in the Party Platform.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/25/ ... ution.html
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby brainpanhandler » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:33 pm

The Consul » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:30 am wrote:There is a reason why Jeff hardly bothers with this place anymore. It is being dominated by fuckheads and assholes.


I think you mean dickheads and asswipes. Sigh. The best disinfectant is sunlight.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby brekin » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:21 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:
The Consul » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:30 am wrote:There is a reason why Jeff hardly bothers with this place anymore. It is being dominated by fuckheads and assholes.

I think you mean dickheads and asswipes. Sigh. The best disinfectant is sunlight.


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And I'm not on facebook.
But if I had a forum where numerous people congregate, many of them seemingly to be pro-Trump, or apologists, or accelerationists, or just plain disenfranchised pasty white early to middle aged guys, where my words were taken seriously, where even my words were taken as gospel, I think I'd pop in every once in awhile.
Maybe even around election time.
Like especially around an election time where a fascist, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, climate change denying, abortion punishing, anti-free speech, bullying, pussy grabbing billionaire with extreme narcissistic and sadistic tendencies was running.
As a major agent of influence with a population that sometimes could use some perspective on conspiracy theory, 15 years after 9/11, that might be nice.

Fuckheads, assholes, dickheads and asswipes are a pain.
But at least they punch in every day.

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:31 pm

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby Harvey » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:12 pm

OP ED » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:58 pm wrote:...but problems that can't be carpet bombed get ignored.


Because of a gigantic distorting dynamic. MIC. To which both major parties distort everything else in order to pay obeisance and to continue to dine at the table.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby OP ED » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:10 pm

brekin » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:21 pm wrote:
brainpanhandler wrote:
The Consul » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:30 am wrote:There is a reason why Jeff hardly bothers with this place anymore. It is being dominated by fuckheads and assholes.

I think you mean dickheads and asswipes. Sigh. The best disinfectant is sunlight.


Yeah, you know he built this house.
And I'm not on facebook.
But if I had a forum where numerous people congregate, many of them seemingly to be pro-Trump, or apologists, or accelerationists, or just plain disenfranchised pasty white early to middle aged guys, where my words were taken seriously, where even my words were taken as gospel, I think I'd pop in every once in awhile.
Maybe even around election time.
Like especially around an election time where a fascist, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, climate change denying, abortion punishing, anti-free speech, bullying, pussy grabbing billionaire with extreme narcissistic and sadistic tendencies was running.
As a major agent of influence with a population that sometimes could use some perspective on conspiracy theory, 15 years after 9/11, that might be nice.

Fuckheads, assholes, dickheads and asswipes are a pain.
But at least they punch in every day.




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