What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Sounder]

You mean the way so many people are focusing on a Clinton connection to some dodgy story about a Pizza place instead of recognising the 35 million republicans already convicted...

No, I mean it like i said it, 'focusing on a Clinton connection to some dodgy story about a Pizza place instead of' the Silsby connection.

But certainly, by all means lets go after the republicans also.

[Joe Hillshoist]

You mean the way so many people are focusing on a Clinton connection to some dodgy story about a Pizza place instead of recognising the 35 million republicans already convicted...

No, I mean it like i said it, 'focusing on a Clinton connection to some dodgy story about a Pizza place instead of' the Silsby connection.

But certainly, by all means lets go after the republicans also.

Yeah, I totally agree.

I don't think this has anything to do with party lines. Edit - (Despite what I said earlier about all those GOPs.) Of course this stuff is independent of what political party you align with in your pursuit of power. Its got nothing to do with political preferences and everything to do with accessing power and control over other people.

[slomo]

As I've stated in other controversial threads, I'm always willing to revise my opinion based on additional data (or lack thereof). Since we actually have someone here who has met Arrington de Dionyso and he checks out, I'm willing to back away from the idea that his art provides a sinister context.

Still: the photo of the child restrained is pretty fucked up, and it's hard to imagine a context which would make it OK, especially since in most jurisdictions I know of it would be ipso facto evidence of child abuse. I mean, it would likely be sufficient justification for CPS to swoop in and whisk the child away to foster care (or god knows what other hell). It's telling that some of you are willing to dismiss the evidence without having viewed it.

I'm not dismissing it I'm asking you to re examine it since you've seen it.

You do science to things apparently. A fundamental part of that is trying to find ways to prove your ideas wrong to test them strongly against anything that could challenge their validity.

Are you 100% confident or even confident within a reasonable margin of error that the photo you are talking about could only come from private abuse and not from something like these following stories then fine, but are you?

Boy with autism locked in 'cage', NSW school being investigated

Mother alleges her autistic son was restrained with ankle straps and weighted belt at NSW school

From the second story.

David Roy, an academic from the University of Newcastle who helped instigate a state-wide parliamentary inquiry into special needs students, said he had heard of hundreds of similar incidents.

"Very sadly it's not a surprise. I have recordings of incidents in various schools in New South Wales," he said.

Mr Roy described the restraining devices as unlawful and said they led to children being treated like prisoners.

"These children have a disability and they are often reacting to the environment around them," he said.
...
Rosie said she held concerns for children who attended the school in the future.

"My concern is that this will continue and other kids will end up in the same situation as our boy," she said.

"The other concern is that if we move him somewhere else, the same thing will happen.

"I want to make sure that something is done systematically.

"We can target the particular school all we like but it's happening everywhere.

"It feels like the Department of Education just doesn't care."

(BTW The mother - Rosie - was reported to the dept of education for removing her child from school after objecting to his treatment. Nice.)

One more quote from the second story:

Rosie said she did not blame the staff at the school, but said the department had left them hanging.

"I do actually empathise; they have not been afforded extra training to cope with children such as mine and are largely unsupported," she said.

"My son is locked up because the staff don't know what else to do with him."

Rosie said she had met with the school and asked to see the chair and the cage-like structure where her son had been kept.

"I didn't know the chairs even existed, so it was a shock to me when I saw them," she said.

"Since this [Facebook] post has gone up, I've had messages from people saying they've had kids at the same school with the same trouble, but before that I was completely oblivious ... I thought it was just us."

This is epidemic in NSW, and as the mum in the story says its a situation where there are inadequate resources to deal with the problems that arise. Do you think this problem only exists in NSW or Australia?

And as I said if there is other info in that photo that makes you discount that sort of explanation for its existence then that's fine.

(Also I consider restraining kids like that a form of abuse. But its not necessarily malicious abuse, more something that happens because the teachers in the situation have no other way they can see to deal with that child and the other kids they are responsible for.)

If you have followed my position on this thread, you'd see that I've bounced back and forth on whether or not I believe this represents a real pedophile/human-trafficking ring. It's a misrepresentation of my position to characterize it as a fixation on an unfalsifiable theory. But, even in science context matters quite a bit, one data set alone can never prove or disprove a hypothesis.

Re: Alefantis, keep in mind this is not some rando overwhelmed or edgy gay guy. This is someone who is friends with a powerful lobbyist connected to the Clintons and the President. This is someone who has visited the White House 5 times, one of them being with the President himself. Sure, it may all be about DNC issues and nothing to do with pizza (the food kind or any other), but I find it a little weird that a person judged important enough to meet with POTUS would be insensitive enough to publish a number of photos that are suggestive of child abuse, whether or not it is just an inside joke. It is the context around the photos that give it meaning. Social connections to Silsby/Haiti, as well as geographic proximity to the HQ of Silby's organization, render it all the more sinister. The "pizza code" is not relevant data to me (any group can up make any code they want), and the dark occult trappings of the artists surrounding Comet may or may not be meaningful (on the basis of discussions on this thread I'm willing to discount those connections unless they are politically relevant).

As far as falsifiability, I would say that a lull in new evidence, combined with relative media disinterest (other than to repair his Yelp records) would be evidence that lends to falsifying the pedo/human-trafficking hypothesis about Alefantis. However, the extent to which the media has piled on this story, linking it with the already prepared "Fake News" narrative, and stating that it has been debunked without actually addressing any of the substantive claims, suggests powerful actors behind the scenes trying to cover up ... something. Who knows, could be drugs, might not have anything to do with CP at all.

I find your fixation on Republicans very telling. It seems this is a partisan issue for you. Part of the black-and-white thinking that Republicans are always evil, and therefore Democrats must always be pure. For most of us who are entertaining this data, all of them are corrupt and complicit in a whole host of crimes.

[tapitsbo]

Who would be hurt by an investigation of the "untouchable" parties here?

Surely an investigation would help clear their names?

Yet the authorities seem desperate for anything BUT an investigation to take place.

[slomo]

Who would be hurt by an investigation of the "untouchable" parties here?

Surely an investigation would help clear their names?

Yet the authorities seem desperate for anything BUT an investigation to take place.

Indeed. Meanwhile, NYT ramps up its "fake news" hysteria. I wonder ... why now?

[Burnt Hill]

Who would be hurt by an investigation of the "untouchable" parties here?

Surely an investigation would help clear their names?

Think about that for a minute now. Really?
Comet Pizza and Alefantis may already be irreparably harmed.

[tapitsbo]

An investigation into their networks and the questionable material that has been found online would only help clear their names (if they really were innocent victims of a smear campaign)

Instead we're seeing a complex, coordinated campaign to shut all this down, over weeks

Meanwhile most of the interesting pizzagate stuff was found right at the beginning, then stopped...

[slomo]

An investigation into their networks and the questionable material that has been found online would only help clear their names (if they really were innocent victims of a smear campaign)

Instead we're seeing a complex, coordinated campaign to shut all this down, over weeks

Meanwhile most of the interesting pizzagate stuff was found right at the beginning, then stopped...

An example of a satisfying clarification would be an annotated list of the Instagram photos, with proof that the children depicted are alive, safe, and (preferably) related to Alefantis (or his friends/associates). That would actually satisfy me quite a bit. That girl restrained by masking tape maybe the child of somebody he knows. Why has that person not come forward to clear his name? It would be that simple...

If I were caught in this kind of shitstorm, I'd open up an Instagram account with additional photos that prove these children are fine, and this was all a misunderstood bad joke.

[tapitsbo]

But slomo that would encourage further instagram snooping and give legitimacy to chan and reddit freaks...

[Burnt Hill]

An investigation into their networks and the questionable material that has been found online would only help clear their names (if they really were innocent victims of a smear campaign)

Instead we're seeing a complex, coordinated campaign to shut all this down, over weeks

Meanwhile most of the interesting pizzagate stuff was found right at the beginning, then stopped...

An example of a satisfying clarification would be an annotated list of the Instagram photos, with proof that the children depicted are alive, safe, and (preferably) related to Alefantis (or his friends/associates). That would actually satisfy me quite a bit. That girl restrained by masking tape maybe the child of somebody he knows. Why has that person not come forward to clear his name? It would be that simple...

If I were caught in this kind of shitstorm, I'd open up an Instagram account with additional photos that prove these children are fine, and this was all a misunderstood bad joke.

Didn't Alefantis already say it was his niece? I may be confused.

[slomo]

An investigation into their networks and the questionable material that has been found online would only help clear their names (if they really were innocent victims of a smear campaign)

Instead we're seeing a complex, coordinated campaign to shut all this down, over weeks

Meanwhile most of the interesting pizzagate stuff was found right at the beginning, then stopped...

An example of a satisfying clarification would be an annotated list of the Instagram photos, with proof that the children depicted are alive, safe, and (preferably) related to Alefantis (or his friends/associates). That would actually satisfy me quite a bit. That girl restrained by masking tape maybe the child of somebody he knows. Why has that person not come forward to clear his name? It would be that simple...

If I were caught in this kind of shitstorm, I'd open up an Instagram account with additional photos that prove these children are fine, and this was all a misunderstood bad joke.

Didn't Alefantis already say it was his niece? I may be confused.

If he did, it would change my opinion about that photo (and probably a few others). Still not cool, but much better than human trafficking. If anybody has a link, would love to see it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

If you have followed my position on this thread, you'd see that I've bounced back and forth on whether or not I believe this represents a real pedophile/human-trafficking ring. It's a misrepresentation of my position to characterize it as a fixation on an unfalsifiable theory. But, even in science context matters quite a bit, one data set alone can never prove or disprove a hypothesis.

I'm not characterising you as that. Sorry if it came across that way. I'm asking you stuff and your opinion on it. i'm not asking the people I think are fixated on it.

I understand how science works. And any process of logical argument. I don't there is any attempt at "falsification" of anything in the original Pizzagate itself.

Re: Alefantis, keep in mind this is not some rando overwhelmed or edgy gay guy. This is someone who is friends with a powerful lobbyist connected to the Clintons and the President. This is someone who has visited the White House 5 times, one of them being with the President himself. Sure, it may all be about DNC issues and nothing to do with pizza (the food kind or any other), but I find it a little weird that a person judged important enough to meet with POTUS would be insensitive enough to publish a number of photos that are suggestive of child abuse, whether or not it is just an inside joke. It is the context around the photos that give it meaning. Social connections to Silsby/Haiti, as well as geographic proximity to the HQ of Silby's organization, render it all the more sinister. The "pizza code" is not relevant data to me (any group can up make any code they want), and the dark occult trappings of the artists surrounding Comet may or may not be meaningful (on the basis of discussions on this thread I'm willing to discount those connections unless they are politically relevant).

Not everyone sees the world thru an RI filter. Suggestiveness is in the perception of the beholder and may have never occurred to him. i know you mentioned "chicken" before. i asked a couple of gay people I know about that term. One was unfamiliar with it. The other said it didn't necessarily refer to people who were underage. He said it was interchangeable with another word - twink which even I have heard of.

How does that fit with what you read on instagram (this isn't a cross examination. I'm asking your opinion in reference to what I just posted.)? Is it a plausible explanation?

As far as him getting access to the White House. He is a Pizza Shop owner targeting young parents with money (I assume) - He runs a business in Washington, one of the most powerful places in the world. I doubt he sells 3 buck slices of pizza or drops the price to $1 (or free if its half an hour old) for the homeless the way Nimbin Pizza does.) But it doesn't seem that surprising that someone who works hard at their business and maybe is ambitious to get the attention of the powerful as clients (because that generates more custom) and runs a family pizza joint in Washington would end up in the White House on more than one occasion. He is obviously ok at dealing with people as Cuda's video showed. Doesn't seem that surprising to me.

If you ran a business like hios and somehow got a repeat customer with a connection to the white house wouldn't you do everything you could to get access to the President as a potential client? Obama has young kids, its a place to bring your kids and they are "safe" while you get loaded. (While that in itself may be a red flag for us it isn't for most people who don't see the world as run by evil bastards.) Imagine the publicity that would bring? You can't buy that.

As far as falsifiability, I would say that a lull in new evidence, combined with relative media disinterest (other than to repair his Yelp records) would be evidence that lends to falsifying the pedo/human-trafficking hypothesis about Alefantis. However, the extent to which the media has piled on this story, linking it with the already prepared "Fake News" narrative, and stating that it has been debunked without actually addressing any of the substantive claims, suggests powerful actors behind the scenes trying to cover up ... something. Who knows, could be drugs, might not have anything to do with CP at all.

He runs a Pizza shop - if he doesn't have drug connections I'd be surprised. (But that may just be an Australian thing.) The media piles on everything slightly challenging with a "fake news" narrative tho now its a lot more overt. this website has documented that process over the last 10 years via the increasing use of "conspiracy theory" to discredit stuff. Once upon a time there were enough separately owned independentish media orgainstions to self police "fake news" to a degree. Now there are far fewer and they all cut their budgets so the sort of cross referncing that once happened doesn't and bullshit, pr and other marketing gets presented as news all the time. some media outlets have news and current affairs budgets so small they rely on PR firms etc for content.

I find your fixation on Republicans very telling. It seems this is a partisan issue for you. Part of the black-and-white thinking that Republicans are always evil, and therefore Democrats must always be pure. For most of us who are entertaining this data, all of them are corrupt and complicit in a whole host of crimes.

In the context of this discussion, where what is effectively a partisan organisation is supporting the republicans in a presidential race, then surely its appropriate to mention that there could well be a party political element to this. I personally consider both parties to be scum. But the republicans are essentially tories so by definition they are always worse when it comes to ... pretty much everything. Cept maybe bombing darkies. Maybe.

Either way the actual stats are telling.

So either the Democrats cover up all manner of sex crimes much better than the GOP (and that is hard to credit if you remember the hysteria over Clinton getting a blow job,) or there is something about the GOP that attracts those inclined to abuse people.

But in this particular case it was all about Hillary's advisers and a pizza shop.

[Joe Hillshoist]

An investigation into their networks and the questionable material that has been found online would only help clear their names (if they really were innocent victims of a smear campaign)

Instead we're seeing a complex, coordinated campaign to shut all this down, over weeks

Meanwhile most of the interesting pizzagate stuff was found right at the beginning, then stopped...

An example of a satisfying clarification would be an annotated list of the Instagram photos, with proof that the children depicted are alive, safe, and (preferably) related to Alefantis (or his friends/associates). That would actually satisfy me quite a bit. That girl restrained by masking tape maybe the child of somebody he knows. Why has that person not come forward to clear his name? It would be that simple...

If I were caught in this kind of shitstorm, I'd open up an Instagram account with additional photos that prove these children are fine, and this was all a misunderstood bad joke.

Didn't Alefantis already say it was his niece? I may be confused.

If he did, it would change my opinion about that photo (and probably a few others). Still not cool, but much better than human trafficking. If anybody has a link, would love to see it.

In the video 'Cuda posted he claims it was "... a cute image of my God Daughter."

[tapitsbo]

Yeah, captioning babies "hotard" and all the other ultra-sketchy shit on the instagram.

Great way to market to parents

[Burnt Hill]

There's a helluva lot here to process and sort, 4B. I'm tempted to say "Start at the beginning..." Maybe RI isnt the place for this kind of deep excavations anymore but I for one am interested in your story; there's no substitute for direct involvement/experiential testimonies. A lot harder for the "skeptics" to scorn too, since it goes against their PC-training.

Re: reddit: can't you tip them off yourself? Last I heard anyone could post there.

Don't you see how associating stories like 4B's with unsubstantiated sensationalism that came from a partisan political campaign discredits what he is saying in other people's eyes?

I don't see how he could not see that. Misery loves company?

It is narcissistic manipulation and it is abusive in itself.

I'm fascinated. Elaborate, fellas. Please. Thank you.

Mate your story is full on. There are multiple crimes that need redress/justice. Associating it with something that appears to be made up (ie the use of pizza as a code word and everything that followed on from that) makes it harder to to do. Guilt by association happens to information all the time. Its how information gets discredited. Barristers do it in court while cross examining witnesses. Its one of the first things they learn.

Right. And the attempt to link the two stories here is incredibly manipulative,
and serves a purpose other than getting to the truth of either.
Your story should be on its own thread, 4B.