Exclusive Stein just called Green Party filing for recount

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Hillary and the Democrats Must Fund a Recount & Challenge the Electoral College Delegations
NOVEMBER 23, 2016

by Harvey Wasserman



Hillary Clinton’s victory in the 2016 presidential popular vote count keeps climbing.

With more than 2,000,000 votes still uncounted in California alone, her public triumph over Donald Trump may ultimately reach 2.5 million votes or more.

There’s a widespread assumption that the Electoral College vote is a done deal.

But a series of key swing state recounts could change control of the presidency, as well as the Senate and Supreme Court. So could a Congressional challenge to the key Electoral College delegations.

Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party must do justice to the public will. They must fund the recount effort, not only for the presidency, but also for at least three key senate races where exit polls indicated Democratic victories.

Congressional Democrats in the current House and Senate also must challenge the certification of the key Electoral College delegations in disputed swing states that could decide control of the White House.

Sign our petitions at solartopia.org and elsewhere to help make this happen.
Despite the current reporting, exit polls showed Clinton the likely winner in the critical swing states of Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, with Michigan extremely close. Those states, if allocated to Clinton, would rightfully (and legally) change the outcome of this election.

We also question the outcomes in three key Senate races—-Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Missouri—-where exit polls showed Democrats winning. These three seats could determine control of the Senate and thus the nature of the Supreme Court for decades to come.

The vote count in all those states and many more is extremely suspect. If this election were held in a foreign country, the State Department would not certify it.

Thanks to the reporting of Greg Palast (gregpalast.com) and others, we know that millions of mostly black/Hispanic/Asian-American/Muslim citizens were stripped of their right to vote in those and 30 or more other states around the US. Thanks to the research of Bev Harris, Jon Simon and others, we know that the electronic vote count throughout the country is also highly suspect ( black box voting ). Computer expert J. Alex Halderman and election attorney John Bonifaz have joined many others in calling for recounts.

The details of this election are still being uncovered. An evolving overview is currently available at www.solartopia.org. By no means have the final words been written on an outcome where millions of Americans were stripped from voter rolls while the vote count was flipped with “black box” electronic machines.

Those who say otherwise should more than welcome a national recount, with special focus on the swing states that hold the deciding Electoral College votes. Until those swing states are recounted, the Electoral College delegations should not be allowed to cast votes for the presidency.

The incumbent Republican Governor of North Carolina was declared the loser in his race for re-election, but is now challenging that defeat. He may also try to to use a loophole in North Carolina law to get the Republican-controlled legislature to give him the governor’s mansion again even if he’s found to be the official vote count loser.

In 2000, a full recount of the Florida popular vote (which was stopped by the US Supreme Court before it could be finished) would have rightfully put Al Gore in the White House rather than George W. Bush. Gore won the national popular vote by more than 500,000 ballots, a fraction of Hillary Clinton’s current lead. He rightfully won the Electoral College vote, but was deprived of a full and timely recount. That must not be allowed to happen in 2016.

In Ohio 2004, US Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined US Representative Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D-Cleveland, since deceased) to challenge the Ohio delegation to the Electoral College. More than 100,000 votes are still uncounted from that election. In an election officially decided by 118,775 votes, more than 300,000 voters were stripped from Ohio’s registration rolls amidst serious questions about the electronic vote count, indicating Kerry rightfully won Ohio’s 2004 Electoral votes and thus the presidency.
But despite a federal court order, no legitimate recount was ever held.

Any US Senator in conjunction with a US Representative has the Constitutional right to challenge the seating of an Electoral College delegation. It is the obvious responsibility of the Democratic Party to now exercise this right to the fullest extent.

We recall, of course, that GOP candidate Donald Trump reserved the right the inspect the outcome of this presidential election before he would accept it. Ask yourself what Donald Trump would now be doing had he won the popular ballot by more than 2,000,000,000 votes while losing in the Electoral College. Would he meekly do nothing while Hillary Clinton walked into the White House?

The Green Party is now raising money for recounts in the key swing states ( the Guardian ) .

But Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party have the readily available resources and the sacred duty to stand for those who voted for them. They need to fund these recounts. They need to challenge these Electoral College delegations in Congress.

The stakes could not be higher.

Please sign these this petition at moveon.org and demand they finally come forward ( http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/ask-cl ... -democrats ):

WE ASK HILLARY CLINTON AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO FUND PRESIDENTIAL RECOUNTS IN FLORIDA, NORTH CAROLINA, PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN, AND ALL OTHER APPROPRIATE STATES.

WE ASK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO FUND RECOUNTS IN US SENATE RACES IN PENNSYLVANIA, WISCONSIN AND MISSOURI, AND ALL OTHER APPROPRIATE ELECTORAL RACES.

This petition can also be reached at www.solatopia.org.
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Harvey Wasserman co-wrote (with Bob Fitrakis) THE STRIP & FLIP SELECTION OF 2016: FIVE JIM CROWS & ELECTRONIC ELECTION THEFT (www.freepress.org / www.solartopia.org), along with SOLARTOPIA! OUR GREEN-POWERED EARTH and the upcoming AMERICA AT THE BRINK OF REBIRTH: THE ORGANIC SPIRAL OF US HISTORY, due out in 2017.

PLEASE NOTE THERE IS A HIGH LIKELIHOOD OUR WEBSITES WILL BE CRASHED AS WE GATHER PETITIONS. PLEASE KEEP TRYING.

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[Jerky]

Don't be so quick to dismiss. There are SO many shady things about Trump's "victory"... the numbers don't add up, and the exit poll red shift alone should be enough to spark a recount. IMPOSSIBLE shifts to Trump in many states. NO shifts to Clinton outside margin of error. It's pretty blatant.

J

Ridiculous. The Greens threw the election to Trump and now they want to exonerate themselves.
They are looking for a redemptive cospiracy theory for the holidays.
The Greens are dead, drowned in the gravy of their own self righteous blathering.
They want to know how the Grinch stole the election?
They didn't vote for his opponent!!
That is how you hack an election.

[Jerky]

Your blind idiot hatred of Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with facts, and everything to do with ONE fact... you enjoyed the Two Minute Hate sessions that were organized against her.

I have asked you on more than one occasion to detail exactly what it is that she's done that makes you hate her so. You have consistently failed to be able to do so.

You know less than NOTHING about the subject, and yet you are consumed with blazing fervor in your certainties.

YOU are the problem, globally speaking.

J.

And yeah, it was stolen. Not BY Trump. He's incapable. But for him. Why? GOD knows, but I can't help but suspect the reasons are utterly terrifying.

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/you ... igged/104/

I ever thought that in my life time I would ever experience more contempt for any group of people than I do for Republican voters, but Hillary voters are by far the nastiest, most contemptible and most pretentiously pompously entitled pieces of scum I've ever seen in my 54 years on earth.

Oh wait. It's because they fuckihng ARE Republucan voters. That witch was the worst Republican to come down the pike since Nixon.

Ok I guess this is what whiny miserable spoiled Nixon voters would have sounded like if their beloved crook lost.

And anyone who thinks they can analyze Green voters from within the fog of their own hatred need to know they're have no fucking idea what motivates Green voters. That is abundantly clear. Because the haters don't understand that we voted for something we wanted, not against something we hated. That's why we're pretty free of hate now and the Clinton people are literally drowning in it.

Enjoy your hate as it chokes your soul. You can't escape it.

[JackRiddler]

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Junior Neo-Trumpet Fourth Class Nordic once again wins today's Prize for Projection. I see a day when he may rise in the New Great America hierarchy as Trumpet Third Class, oh how joyful that will be! Don't expect that too soon, now.

Dear god, of course none of the 62 million Trump voters is in any way actually responsible for Trump! Kiss them, kiss them, wherever you should meet them! The poor victimized things! It's so MEAN.

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[82_28]

Are you kidding, Jack? Just like you, he is who he is. It is time to not be pissed or insulting to/at anyone who still chills out here so to speak or anywhere for that matter. I really hate that people get insulting in trying times. No need. Be a friend. Sounds fucking condescending but it is what 'tis. I am not being so. The exact opposite.

[OP ED]

Lulz. I still think it's cute the way people go on and on about their preferred poison. Blah blah blah. You're arguing Pepsi versus Coke and thinking your choice changes how quickly the inside of you is rotting away. "But wait you fascist, Pepsi is in a blue can!"

[Searcher08]

I ever thought that in my life time I would ever experience more contempt for any group of people than I do for Republican voters, but Hillary voters are by far the nastiest, most contemptible and most pretentiously pompously entitled pieces of scum I've ever seen in my 54 years on earth.

Oh wait. It's because they fuckihng ARE Republucan voters. That witch was the worst Republican to come down the pike since Nixon.

Ok I guess this is what whiny miserable spoiled Nixon voters would have sounded like if their beloved crook lost.

And anyone who thinks they can analyze Green voters from within the fog of their own hatred need to know they're have no fucking idea what motivates Green voters. That is abundantly clear. Because the haters don't understand that we voted for something we wanted, not against something we hated. That's why we're pretty free of hate now and the Clinton people are literally drowning in it.

Enjoy your hate as it chokes your soul. You can't escape it.

Werd.
This underlying attitude was a big part of why Trump was elected in the first place.
Sanders supporters were fighting blatant Dem fraud earlier in the year - and still thought it was more important to shoe-in a nutjob who had fucked them over, than let Trump in. Nice.

"After a divisive and painful presidential race, in which foreign agents hacked into party databases, private email servers, and voter databases in certain states, many Americans are wondering if our election results are reliable. That's why the unexpected results of the election and reported anomalies need to be investigated before the 2016 presidential election is certified. We deserve elections we can trust." -- Dr. Jill Stein.

Them pesky "foreign agents" again.

Who knows, maybe the totalitarian ideologues of the Democratic Front for Goldman Sachs are able to get in and fuck the American people hard.
No doubt they will say, as with wringing hands, when they set Europe and the Middle East on fire
"It could have been worse, it could have been Trump"

[8bitagent]

Oh my god, my sides. So first the Clinton cult takes every opportunity it can to attack Stein, now the few extreme Clintonistas
are holding out hope Stein can overtun the election? Hey, while we are at it, can we nullify the primaries where it's proven the DNC cheated Bernie Sanders?

And people thought the Trump supporters would be the snivveling crybabies whining about a rigged election and being cheated

[8bitagent]

Ridiculous. The Greens threw the election to Trump and now they want to exonerate themselves.
They are looking for a redemptive cospiracy theory for the holidays.
The Greens are dead, drowned in the gravy of their own self righteous blathering.
They want to know how the Grinch stole the election?
They didn't vote for his opponent!!
That is how you hack an election.

Oh now it's third party voters who are to blame? The "third party shaming" Bill Maher, Maddow, etc are doing is ludicrous.

Maybe real liberals are tired of trigger happy wall street loving fake liberals.

Today Obama "pardoned" two turkeys, yet refuses to pardon Manning and Snowden, refuses to stop the brutal DAPL situation, refuses to stop coordinating war crimes in Yemen with the Saudi government

Seems to me it's the Democrat party, the party founded on the KKK, that is dead and trying to find relevance.

[8bitagent]

Funny how Hillary and her people just don't seem to be enthused about this.

You realize, don't you, Hillbots, that this could quite possibly uncover her own theft of votes. From Green Party voters.

The Clinton cult never wasted an opportunity to destroy Jill...Hillary lost fair and square, and now some of the diehard Clintonistas are hoping the same Stein(fighting for stunt relevance)
can help Clinton "win". It's almost as sad as the neocon neverTrumpers.

What the hell is the point of American elections if we can just say the result doesn't count. Even baby mudering neocon-lite Obama and Hillary and Biden don't seem to be putting much
stake in this last ditch desperation of vote overturning

Ridiculous. The Greens threw the election to Trump and now they want to exonerate themselves.
They are looking for a redemptive cospiracy theory for the holidays.
The Greens are dead, drowned in the gravy of their own self righteous blathering.
They want to know how the Grinch stole the election?
They didn't vote for his opponent!!
That is how you hack an election.

It takes a special kind of disconnect from reality to insist that an entire block of voters who hated your candidate more than diarrhea are somehow responsible for your shitty corrupt cheating candidate from winning.

There's no logic. No appreciation of reality. No sanity in that view. At all.

THANK YOU Nordic. The zeal upon which the Clinton cultists want to nullify election results echoes the very fascist accusations they hurl at their opponents.

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It's Starting: Green Party Launches Fundraising Drive for Presidential Recounts in WI, PA and MI
Green Party says it needs to raise $5-6 million with filing deadlines days away.

Im sure Soros could kick in a few billion

[8bitagent]

Your blind idiot hatred of Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with facts, and everything to do with ONE fact... you enjoyed the Two Minute Hate sessions that were organized against her.

I have asked you on more than one occasion to detail exactly what it is that she's done that makes you hate her so. You have consistently failed to be able to do so.

You know less than NOTHING about the subject, and yet you are consumed with blazing fervor in your certainties.

YOU are the problem, globally speaking.

J.

And yeah, it was stolen. Not BY Trump. He's incapable. But for him. Why? GOD knows, but I can't help but suspect the reasons are utterly terrifying.

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/you ... igged/104/

I ever thought that in my life time I would ever experience more contempt for any group of people than I do for Republican voters, but Hillary voters are by far the nastiest, most contemptible and most pretentiously pompously entitled pieces of scum I've ever seen in my 54 years on earth.

Oh wait. It's because they fuckihng ARE Republucan voters. That witch was the worst Republican to come down the pike since Nixon.

Ok I guess this is what whiny miserable spoiled Nixon voters would have sounded like if their beloved crook lost.

And anyone who thinks they can analyze Green voters from within the fog of their own hatred need to know they're have no fucking idea what motivates Green voters. That is abundantly clear. Because the haters don't understand that we voted for something we wanted, not against something we hated. That's why we're pretty free of hate now and the Clinton people are literally drowning in it.

Enjoy your hate as it chokes your soul. You can't escape it.

Mass murder in Libya for starters. I could give a damn about emails, her health or fantasy pizza pedo conspiracies.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016 ... a-country/

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this isn't about overturning an election

this is about the vote


Elections Commission preps for recount of Wisconsin presidential election

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/ ... 8ab74.html

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Want to Know if the Election was Hacked? Look at the Ballots
You may have read at NYMag that I’ve been in discussions with the Clinton campaign about whether it might wish to seek recounts in critical states. That article, which includes somebody else’s description of my views, incorrectly describes the reasons manually checking ballots is an essential security safeguard (and includes some incorrect numbers, to boot). Let me set the record straight about what I and other leading election security experts have actually been saying to the campaign and everyone else who’s willing to listen.
How might a foreign government hack America’s voting machines to change the outcome of a presidential election? Here’s one possible scenario. First, the attackers would probe election offices well in advance in order to find ways to break into their computers. Closer to the election, when it was clear from polling data which states would have close electoral margins, the attackers might spread malware into voting machines in some of these states, rigging the machines to shift a few percent of the vote to favor their desired candidate. This malware would likely be designed to remain inactive during pre-election tests, do its dirty business during the election, then erase itself when the polls close. A skilled attacker’s work might leave no visible signs — though the country might be surprised when results in several close states were off from pre-election polls.
Could anyone be brazen enough to try such an attack? A few years ago, I might have said that sounds like science fiction, but 2016 has seen unprecedented cyberattacks aimed at interfering with the election. This summer, attackers broke into the email system of the Democratic National Committee and, separately, into the email account of John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, and leaked private messages. Attackers infiltrated the voter registration systems of two states, Illinois and Arizona, and stole voter data. And there’s evidence that hackers attempted to breach election offices in several other states.
In all these cases, Federal agencies publicly asserted that senior officials in the Russian government commissioned these attacks. Russia has sophisticated cyber-offensive capabilities, and has shown a willingness to use them to hack elections. In 2014, during the presidential election in Ukraine, attackers linked to Russia sabotaged the country’s vote-counting infrastructure and, according to published reports, Ukrainian officials succeeded only at the last minute in defusing vote-stealing malware that was primed to cause the wrong winner to be announced. Russia is not the only country with the ability to pull off such an attack on American systems — most of the world’s military powers now have sophisticated cyberwarfare capabilities.

The pink counties predominately use optical scan paper ballots, which can be examined to confirm that the computer voting machines produced an accurate count. Blue counties use paperless voting systems, which require forensic analysis.
Were this year’s deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked. But I don’t believe that either one of these seemingly unlikely explanations is overwhelmingly more likely than the other. The only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result is to closely examine the available physical evidence — paper ballots and voting equipment in critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, nobody is ever going to examine that evidence unless candidates in those states act now, in the next several days, to petition for recounts.
What’s to stop an attack like this from succeeding?
America’s voting machines have serious cybersecurity problems. That isn’t news. It’s been documented beyond any doubt over the last decade in numerous peer-reviewed papers and state-sponsored studies by me and by other computer security experts. We’ve been pointing out for years that voting machines are computers, and they have reprogrammable software, so if attackers can modify that software by infecting the machines with malware, they can cause the machines to give any answer whatsoever. I’ve demonstrated this in the laboratory with real voting machines — in just a few seconds, anyone can install vote-stealing malware on those machines that silently alters the electronic records of every vote.

It doesn’t matter whether the voting machines are connected to the Internet. Shortly before each election, poll workers copy the ballot design from a regular desktop computer in a government office, and use removable media (like the memory card from a digital camera) to load the ballot onto each machine. That initial computer is almost certainly not well secured, and if an attacker infects it, vote-stealing malware can hitch a ride to every voting machine in the area. There’s no question that this is possible for technically sophisticated attackers. (If my Ph.D. students and I were criminals, I’m sure we could pull it off.) If anyone reasonably skilled is sufficiently motivated and willing to face the risk of getting caught, it’s happened already.
Why hasn’t more been done about this? In the U.S., each state (and often individual counties or municipalities) selects its own election technology, and some states have taken steps to guard against these problems. (For instance, California banned the use of the most dangerous computer voting machines in 2007 as a result of vulnerabilities that I and other computer scientists found.) But many states continue to use machines that are known to be insecure — sometimes with software that is a decade or more out of date — because they simply don’t have the money to replace those machines.

There is one absolutely essential security safeguard that protects most Americans’ votes: paper.

I know I may sound like a Luddite for saying so, but most election security experts are with me on this: paper ballots are the best available technology for casting votes. We use two main kinds of paper systems in different parts of the U.S. Either voters fill out a ballot paper that gets scanned into a computer for counting (optical scan voting), or they vote on a computer that counts the vote and prints a record on a piece of paper (called a voter-verifiable paper audit trail). Either way, the paper creates a record of the vote that can’t be later modified by any bugs, misconfiguration, or malicious software that might have infected the machines.
After the election, human beings can examine the paper to make sure the results from the voting machines accurately determined who won. Just as you want the brakes in your car to keep working even if the car’s computer goes haywire, accurate vote counts must remain available even if the machines are malfunctioning or attacked. In both cases, common sense tells us we need some kind of physical backup system. I and other election security experts have been advocating for paper ballots for years, and today, about 70% of American voters live in jurisdictions that keep a paper record of every vote.
Washington Journal: J. Alex Halderman on Cybersecurity and Voting

Oct. 4, 2016: Prof. J. Alex Halderman, who has conducted research on voting machine security, talks about his concerns regarding the nation’s voting systems.
http://www.c-span.org
There’s just one problem, and it might come as a surprise even to many security experts: no state is planning to actually check the paper in a way that would reliably detect that the computer-based outcome was wrong. About half the states have no laws that require a manual examination of paper ballots, and most other states perform only superficial spot checks. If nobody looks at the paper, it might as well not be there. A clever attacker would exploit this.
There’s still one way that some of this year’s paper ballots could be examined. In many states, candidates can petition for a recount. The candidate needs to pay the cost, which can run into millions of dollars. The deadlines for filing recount petitions are soon — for example, this Friday in Wisconsin (margin 0.7%), Monday in Pennsylvania (margin 1.2%), and the following Wednesday in Michigan (margin 0.3%).
Examining the physical evidence in these states — even if it finds nothing amiss — will help allay doubt and give voters justified confidence that the results are accurate. It will also set a precedent for routinely examining paper ballots, which will provide an important deterrent against cyberattacks on future elections. Recounting the ballots now can only lead to strengthened electoral integrity, but the window for candidates to act is closing fast.
Much more needs to be done to secure America’s elections, and important new safeguards could be put in place by 2018. States still using paperless voting machines should replace them with optical scan systems, and all states should update their audit and recount procedures. There are fast and inexpensive ways to verify (or correct) computer voting results using a risk-limiting audit, a statistical method that involves manually inspecting randomly selected paper ballots. Officials need to begin preparing soon to make sure all of these improvements are ready before the next big election.https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-kn ... .fs7hhmxsa

[Belligerent Savant]

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Lulz. I still think it's cute the way people go on and on about their preferred poison. Blah blah blah. You're arguing Pepsi versus Coke and thinking your choice changes how quickly the inside of you is rotting away. "But wait you fascist, Pepsi is in a blue can!"

Indeed.
It's become a tired refrain 'round these parts in the past couple weeks, but to repeat: such investment into mainstream narratives is unexpected in this forum. The entire process/system -- not merely the votes or the election -- is RIGGED, whether a recount bears it out or not. BOTH candidates, both parties, are f'ing DEPLORABLE.

It's a LOSE-LOSE for The People, regardless of outcome.

WTF are y'all clamoring for -- A CLINTON in the White House? Bizarre. But it's BETTER THAN TRUMP, amirite?

Mass-scale Stockholm Syndrome on display.

By all means, carry on.

[Iamwhomiam]

The Greens need as accurate a count as possible as they are seeking enough votes nationally in order to become eligible for public campaign funding.

But let's not rush to judgement, the electoral college has yet to meet, which they will do on 13 December and then again on the 19th, but we still might not know the results until after Congress counts the vote in early January.

Pence could actually walk away the winner.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html