The ‘alt-right’ is a mainstream media myth
Adam Garrie
Far from Donald Trump being a member of the 'alt-rIght', the movement itself exists only in the minds of the mainstream media and a few pundits, who have taken the insult and turned it into a term of endearment.
In his closed-door meeting with the New York Times, Donald Trump was repeatedly asked about any possible connections he may or may not have with the so-called ‘Alt-Right’.
First of all, I do not acknowledge there is a movement called the ‘Alt-Right’. There is no such party, no such manifesto to which the name is ascribed, no NGO, no lobbying group and it has no physical headquarters. When one types in http://www.altright.com, one finds a website under construction, weeks after Donald Trump’s election.
‘Alt-Right’ is simply a new way for the old, dying liberal establishment to slander traditional conservatives who do not fit the neo-con/neo-lib mould of the Bushes, Obamas, Sarzozys, Camerons and Merkels of the world.
As I have said countless times, Donald Trump is an old fashioned conservative Republican in the model of Robert Taft. It is true that Trump’s industrial and economic policies have a hint of socialism about them. Indeed, Taft himself was accused of having socialist sympathies by follow Republicans skeptical of funding public works programmes for the needy which Taft tended to support.
Trump is not right wing or ever far right wing, he is a traditional conservative who happens to have a dynamic personality, one which is far less personally judgmental than many so-called ‘culture wars’ Republicans who emerged in the 1980s. Likewise, there is nothing alternative about views which far from radical, are characteristic of a pre-Cold War Republicanism.
The term ‘Alt-Right’ is an epithet increasingly used to smear traditional conservatives as some kind of violent or extreme fringe movement. It’s becoming an obsession of the old liberal mainstream media, something Trump pointed out during his meeting with New York Times reporters as he purportedly stated, “Boy, you are really into (this issue)”.
Trump clearly couldn’t care less about it and nor should anyone else. It’s a distraction designed to make Trump and his core supporters look like something they are not. The New York Times demonstrated despicable behaviour in attempting to trap the President-elect in a minefield of illogic.
One is under no obligation to disassociate oneself from something which he or she was never associated with. Likewise, one has no need to disavow something to which one pledged no loyalty to in the first place. But Trump clearly wanted to show the snide reporters that the problem they imagine has nothing to do with Trump and his team.
He handled the situation well and was wise to point out that the entire ‘Alt-Right’ nonsense is an obsession of the New York Times, not his.
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http://anotherdayintheempire.com/flag-e ... -facebook/
Video at the link.HOW TO FLAG ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA FAKE NEWS ON FACEBOOK
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Kurt Nimmo
The tech site CNet posted ways to detect and flag “fake news.”
It’s mostly more propaganda adding to the hype, but there is a useful tip.
Scrub the video below to one minute, forty nine seconds. You will find an explanation there how Facebook users can flag what they think are fake news stories.
The next time you see a story in your Facebook feed posted by the corporate media you know is propaganda or an outright lie, report the post as fake news.
It’s a two-way street.
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Some Fake News Publishers Just Happen to Be Donald Trump’s Cronies
Donald Trump and the Rise of Alt-Reality Media. You think the truth took a hit last year? It's about to get worse. A lot worse.
Donald Trump and the Rise of Alt-Reality Media. You think the truth took a hit last year? It's about to get worse. A lot worse.
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From the first link above, which happens to be The Intercept:
So an evening of "spirit cooking" doesn't qualify as an "occult ritual"?Another LifeZette article, which went viral in the week prior to the election, falsely claimed that Wikileaks had revealed that a senior Hillary Clinton campaign official had engaged in occult rituals. Ingraham’s site regularly receives links from the Drudge Report and other powerful drivers of Internet traffic
Is Greenwald afraid of getting blackballed?
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Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist From a New, Hidden, and Very Shady Group
by Ben Norton and Glenn Greenwald
November 26 2016, 12:17 p.m.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/was ... ady-group/
by Ben Norton and Glenn Greenwald
November 26 2016, 12:17 p.m.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/was ... ady-group/
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Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, but amidst all the McCarthy attacks some media orgs are making in a doomed effort to protect their turf as the only legitimate thought-space,
we are acknowledging that there was and still is a lot of disinfo spread in fake news, are't we?
Not the mainstream media "weapons of mass destruction" kind, but the only-a-zealot-or-an-idiot-would-believe-this'internet-bullshit kind of fake news.
The kind of fake news like "Video proves paid protestors are bussed to anti-Trump rally" that shows nothing but people getting off a bus, or "Video shows Democrat poll workers stuffing ballot boxes" that was actually from Russia.
Because a lot of people who say they dont trust 'the media' seem prone to unquestioningly believe this obvious propaganda, and it gets credence on sites like ZeroHedge, while the hypocrites decry the bias of the NYT. This kind of bullshit even made some appearances at RI before the election. While i have no problem acknowledging the MSM (for lack of a better term) is sometimes full of shit and pushing an agenda, let us not pretend there aren't many outright lies and agenda-pushing on many of these non-institutional websites like those named in the WaPo hit piece.
we are acknowledging that there was and still is a lot of disinfo spread in fake news, are't we?
Not the mainstream media "weapons of mass destruction" kind, but the only-a-zealot-or-an-idiot-would-believe-this'internet-bullshit kind of fake news.
The kind of fake news like "Video proves paid protestors are bussed to anti-Trump rally" that shows nothing but people getting off a bus, or "Video shows Democrat poll workers stuffing ballot boxes" that was actually from Russia.
Because a lot of people who say they dont trust 'the media' seem prone to unquestioningly believe this obvious propaganda, and it gets credence on sites like ZeroHedge, while the hypocrites decry the bias of the NYT. This kind of bullshit even made some appearances at RI before the election. While i have no problem acknowledging the MSM (for lack of a better term) is sometimes full of shit and pushing an agenda, let us not pretend there aren't many outright lies and agenda-pushing on many of these non-institutional websites like those named in the WaPo hit piece.
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I thought this spirit cooking was something two people do alone together, and it's a three day long thing. Not something you do in an evening.Nordic » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:12 pm wrote:
So an evening of "spirit cooking" doesn't qualify as an "occult ritual"?
I've done stuff like that. Nothing occult about it.
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Yes, there are different levels of 'fake news.' Spin, framing, selective editing, unbalanced focus, flat-out propaganda are all tools that anyone can use to shape and direct a narrative. News, mainstream or otherwise, is really mostly agenda advertising.
It's a shame that 'fake news' is now being redefined as literally false stories, and propaganda is now considered 'real news.' People seem to be willingly muting their own critical faculties.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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elfismiles » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:32 pm wrote:Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist From a New, Hidden, and Very Shady Group
by Ben Norton and Glenn Greenwald
November 26 2016, 12:17 p.m.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/was ... ady-group/
That's a damn good piece from Greenwald. Destroys the WaPo.
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So the second string Hillary shills think their 'fake news' skills can approach that of the MSM? Ha, keep trying trolls.
https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/11/23/np ... y-learned/
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Edwin would be proud.Tell me a little about why you started Disinfomedia?
Late 2012, early 2013 I was spending a lot of time researching what is now being referred to as the alt-right. I identified a problem with the news that they were spreading and created Disinfomedia as a response to that. The whole idea from the start was to build a site that could infiltrate the echo chambers of the alt-right, publish blatantly false or fictional stories, and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction.
What got you engaged in this?
My educational background is in political science. I’ve always enjoyed the ideas of propaganda and misinformation. Then I coupled that with an interest in what makes things go viral. So that led me to finding those groups and ultimately to finding contributors. But it was just something I had an interest in that I wanted to pursue.
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What would "winning" look like for these diehard Clinton types? Obviously they are dedicated to disseminating false information, that is to say fake news.
Most people from all over the political spectrum are against their newly intensified agenda. Even people without strong commitments to the left or right are questioning narratives about things like the Syrian war.
Attempts at censorship in the West are failing, in places like Germany creating a Streisand effect. Strong censorship combined with "liberalism" is a tough, fragile sell.
Censorship by say, the Chinese or Turkish ruling party relies on the depth of their base of supporters and ideological appeals. Say what you will about these countries, they have at least been building their economies and providing opportunities for their populations for some time.
"Fake news" may be the final nail in the coffin of the Western MSM... I think it's safe to say most of the population is already figuring out alternatives.
What seems less clear is where those whose job has been to disseminate the failing party line will go.
Most people from all over the political spectrum are against their newly intensified agenda. Even people without strong commitments to the left or right are questioning narratives about things like the Syrian war.
Attempts at censorship in the West are failing, in places like Germany creating a Streisand effect. Strong censorship combined with "liberalism" is a tough, fragile sell.
Censorship by say, the Chinese or Turkish ruling party relies on the depth of their base of supporters and ideological appeals. Say what you will about these countries, they have at least been building their economies and providing opportunities for their populations for some time.
"Fake news" may be the final nail in the coffin of the Western MSM... I think it's safe to say most of the population is already figuring out alternatives.
What seems less clear is where those whose job has been to disseminate the failing party line will go.
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Trump is getting his news from Alex Jones and refusing to receive intelligence briefings
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Ah, yes, the officials who feel spurned may dedicate themselves to advancing their interests in the private sphere, like the elements purged during the 1970's in the US did.
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So are we bringing back Alex Jones videos here?
I thought we were done with that crap
oh yea now Breitbart is all the rage
what a fuckin bunch of bullshit
Trump charges, without evidence, millions voted illegally
straight out of Alex Jones
I thought we were done with that crap
oh yea now Breitbart is all the rage
what a fuckin bunch of bullshit
Trump charges, without evidence, millions voted illegally
straight out of Alex Jones
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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SLAD, you've often posted thoughtful sources that wouldn't stoop to crying "fake news" after hard spamming their own fake news for years like the MSM has
The left should be encouraged by the MSM collapse... controlled opposition right sources like Breitbart or Alex Jones are closer to the MSM than they'd like to admit... of course they aren't dedicated to constructing an "official reality" like New York Times, The Globe and Mail, or similar outlets. So the whole "fake news" conspiracy isn't as relevant there.
The left should be encouraged by the MSM collapse... controlled opposition right sources like Breitbart or Alex Jones are closer to the MSM than they'd like to admit... of course they aren't dedicated to constructing an "official reality" like New York Times, The Globe and Mail, or similar outlets. So the whole "fake news" conspiracy isn't as relevant there.
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when a president is getting his news from Alex Jones it is beyond belief...and refusing Intelligence Briefings ....ya that will work
you all want to go for the Alex Jones/Breitbart crowd ..go right fuckin ahead ...go for it
let's just put a link to the Alex Jones Channel pinned at the top of GD
you all want to go for the Alex Jones/Breitbart crowd ..go right fuckin ahead ...go for it
let's just put a link to the Alex Jones Channel pinned at the top of GD
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.