What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[guruilla]

@PW: I appreciate your "concern" but you have absolutely zero idea about what internal work I may or may not have done; you can answer that you have your impression based on reading my posts at RI, to which I can say (honestly) the same about you, that my impression is exactly the same of you, based on your posts. But imagine if I were to tell you to do the internal work for the sake of everyone here?

This is in its way as offensive as Jerky's posts are, only done in a care-troll way rather than a hate-troll way. Unacceptable.

Again I say, it has been witnessed, at least in the case of survivors of ra/mc. As to some sort of farther transcendence of the human condition, that remains to be seen.

I am not talking about transcending the human condition but a complete defragging of the psyche so it can be fully "landed" in the body. Survivors may heal enough to become fully functioning and even effective helpers & healers, I have met a few; but that's very far from full embodiment.

Exactly, which is why I have told you before that the work is internal. It is not external, it does not lie in making blog posts about pizzagate, it does not lie in whatever is posted on RI or elsewhere. Until you have done the internal work, all external behavior is suspect.

So is your artwork internal or external? You are creating an unnecessary and false dichotomy. Where does internal work end and external begin? How is internal work even experienced without coming from the inside to the outside? Internal work does not occur in a vacuum, but through relating to others, especially long-term relationship. External expressions (art) is a way of self relating to unconscious. Letting others see it extends that into a larger and more "scary" space, where rubber of subject meets road of object.

This is just simple defeatism. There is a difference between justice and social justice. Social justice is concerned with moulding behavior and altering culture. Justice, well, there is a system for it, and it deserves any number of critiques and adjustments, but it involves law based on empirical evidence for harm done. Sometimes the two overlap, sometimes not, but I find your usage of the term social justice rather disingenuous in this circumstance.

Moulding behavior and altering culture sounds like social engineering to me. Not interested, as I said at the start. I know enough not to trust my conscious intentions here, & that there's always an unconscious saboteur at work and that this is why we have the world we have; it's not good guys and bad guys, it's people trying to bring about good results without "doing the inner work" first, and so using do-goodery as a way to keep their own unconscious at bay. All the evil in the world is the result of people trying to make things better without first being willing to see how and why things are they way they are. IMO.

[Wombaticus Rex]

And, PW, I don't understand why you are more concerned with guru's blog's effect on victims more than the effect of the atrocious pictures and what I assume are triggering words--considering they've been identified by the FBI as code words for pedophilila--posted by the politically powerful on Instagram, Twitter, etc. for all to see.

Perhaps it has something to do with Guruilla being a member here, but this is mere speculation.

I respect your profession of faith, and hope nobody would mock you for it. I offer the following link merely as food for thought & an interesting read, since I'm not sold either way. Longtime observer Gordon White sees the elite belief system as something considerably more pagan & cosmic:
http://runesoup.com/2013/12/billionaire ... f-systems/

[stefano]

Thanks all. Good thread. My feeling is that there is definitely something here, something weird in which the Podestas and Alefantis are involved. But I also think a lot of the 'evidence' is bullshit, like the supposed identikit from Portugal or the email saying the kids are coming to the party. On that identikit - the portraits are of the same man, someone Martin and Mary Smith saw the night of Madeleine's disappearance. The one is his version and the other hers. They both reckoned the man was in his mid-30s. That Clement Freud detail is weird as hell hey. I've always thought the McCanns had something to do with her disappearance though. Maybe Freud did, too.

I'd thought that Alefantis had received $800,000 from David Brock, but looking into it now it seems Brock paid that to another ex, the guy he left for Alefantis. He called it 'blackmail'. I think that's an important point.

[slomo]

I don't agree that "human trafficking, torture, ritual abuse, human experimenting, elite peddo rings, etc. are go to plot points in screenplays for many now, not social concerns to be exposed"...that is for most people, and I don't understand all of this concern for the powerful. What happened to speaking truth to power?

The following may be cringe-inducing for most RI members. But, speaking for myself, as a Christian, and also as a human being, I'm obsessed with finding the truth and the more I delve into this issue--the absolute evil of our rulers--the more I'm convinced that there is a spiritual element, that on some level this is spiritual warfare that's always existed but is now being unveiled...some sort of apocalypse.

I think the important thing here is not whether you believe in God or Satan, but to recognize that the super elite do, that many or most are deeply religious as religion is what gives any crusade its longevity because it resonates in the deepest part of the soul, keeps the fire burning, so to speak. But because their religion normally takes on a nominal Christian/Jewish/Muslim/secular humanist veneer, it’s hard to see until you begin to dissect it. Of course, there are many who are not religious but go along to get along or are compromised in some way.

Anyway, I'm convinced that Luciferianism/Satanism constitutes the nucleus of the ruling class religion. I think that the rampant pedophilia amongst the elite is not so much motivated by sexual attraction to children as it is motivated by their religion and of course the more pragmatic: the dynamic of blackmail and children used as currency in power politics, profit, etc..

The hardest part for most people is to reconcile this evil with the mostly likeable and even sometimes lovable face of these public figures, people that many worship to one degree or another. The bottom line is exposing these powerful god-like people for who or what they really are. That's why I'm investigating pizzagate. I want all the facts before I open my mouth.

And, PW, I don't understand why you are more concerned with guru's blog's effect on victims more than the effect of the atrocious pictures and what I assume are triggering words--considering they've been identified by the FBI as code words for pedophilila--posted by the politically powerful on Instagram, Twitter, etc. for all to see.

This resonates with me. My own motivations for exploring/discussing PG are essentially spiritual: an effort to understand the truth about the world we live in. If I had to label myself, I would classify myself as a gnostic Christian, in that I believe the world we live in has been constructed as a spiritual prison, and that the mythology of Christ gives us a number of clues on how to escape/transcend. PG substantiates this worldview, but to the extent that it only confirms what I already strongly suspect, it may be gratuitous. Of course I hope for justice, but I doubt I will see it in my lifetime, for the sole reason that (I believe) this world has been built precisely to oppose justice. On the other hand, the more people who "wake up" (e.g. make substantial, if not total, progress on the journey of healing and integration), the more likely we are to see justice, at least in spiritual terms.

I agree with PW that the work has to be done internally and within the context of a real, intimate, meat-space relationship. However, there is value in exploring these themes anonymously, as it allows us to test our beliefs in a relatively objective setting (by "objective" I mean tested against independent opinions). They are complementary approaches. While the work of integration can be done without participating in an online semi-anonymous forum, it is somewhat enhanced by the experience because anonymous information exchange facilitates exposure to a great diversity of ideas and opinions, some of which may be healing, and others of which may provide the adversarial function of challenging ones ideas and commitment.

As for what elites believe in: labels are irrelevant, it is what it is. My thought is that it is all just a carry-over from Roman times (or before) without any break in continuity. The continuity breaks we perceive are only what the masses have been fed.

Finally, I am also suspicious of social engineering efforts, for basically the reasons given by Guruilla. My day job is to substantiate one of the massive societal efforts in social engineering, and although most of the people involved at my level have good intentions, it is plainly evident to me that in the long run we create more monstrosities than we prevent. I actually now think the purpose of the biomedical/public health infrastructure is to provide R&D for techniques that can coerce and destroy with greater and greater precision, i.e. exactly the opposite of its stated purpose. Maybe I'm just a pessimist.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I would like to ask PW (with all due respect because I love her presence and perspective here), can you provide any kind of tangible examples of guruilla's blogging having a negative effect on survivors? Because to me it just seems like purely hypothetical hand-wringing, and self-defeating to boot. If we aren't supposed to talk about these things out in the open for fear of 'triggering,' how can the social process of opening up this particular tube of nastiness occur at all?

[Agent Orange Cooper]

x-post from the Red Ice Radio thread:

If any of these 'investigators" (ha, ha) really cared about the victims, they would do or assist in a real investigation where evidence is sought and analysed before going wild with speculation on the internet. They would especially avoid being caught up in a contentious election moment where their 'investigation' is clearly embraced and seen by most as a partisan mudslinging fest where the child victims (if there are any) are trampled underfoot and shamelessly used as political pawns.

Can you go to voat.co/v/pizzagate and show me some concrete examples of where this bolded part has occurred? How much time have you actually spent there, compared to how much time you've spent dismissing all these claims because some of the people involved also happened to support a presidential candidate you opposed?

You dismiss the 'investigators' for being amateurs, but what would a proper (in your mind) crowd-sourced, internet-based investigation look like, when it is investigating one of the deepest and darkest held secrets of the ruling state? Are you seriously suggesting we look to the DOJ/FBI for a 'real' investigation? And I say this even though, as it happens, I believe the FBI is deep in the midst of this investigation, have been for a long time, & that it may have even been their doing to seed the internet with these clues to let the 'amateurs' take over in the first place so that their own investigation can remain private.

Pizzagate to me appears to be a discrediting extravaganza, an internet blitz carried out by marginal right-leaning message board freaks therefore requiring little or no outlay of cash or resources by the pedos themselves. I'm sure the perps are high-fiving up a storm and celebrating their strategic genius and tremendous good fortune right now...

To me it appears that the only ones discrediting this internet blitz are people like you, who ironically do so on specious political grounds (smearing those involved as 'right-wing'), rather than any kind of thoughtful engagement with the evidence at hand, however circumstantial it may be.

[Nordic]

Yeah right, I'm a right-wing message-board freak. Binary thinking has come to RI. It's like a communicable disease.

I would be interested in hearing more from PW as far as her concerns, as I adore her and respect her so damn much. Speaking for myself I'm not that clear on what she's getting at. Unfortunately. I wish I fully understood.

At he same time I don't want to ask her to do something that might cause her pain. If further explaining these things might cause that.

I'm with several recent commenters and feel that this is a spiritual war as well. In a nutshell I started adolescence as a Christian, abandoned it when adolescence hit full-bore (I couldn't live up to the ideals so I just walked away) then in college abandoned it altogether to agnosticism, but now, in what I have to admit is middle-age, have returned to realizing, in surprising and explicit ways, that it is indeed a real thing - that "God" is love, that love is in fact a powerful and miraculous force in the Universe, and that one can merely turn oneself over to it. And into it. With surrender and faith. It's really fairly simple. Equally clear is the opposing force -- evil and Satanism and those who deliberately manifest these forces into our human reality. It's real and it's horrifying. The people we refer to as the "elites" have been members of this satanic club for a very long time, yes, in my belief (fwiw) back to the Egyptians and maybe further. Maybe back to the beginning of human time.

They thrive in the dark, and on secrecy. I can't help but believe that if you are selected to rise into their ranks you are required, at some point, to be initiated. Where you join them, and become one of them, through an act witnessed by them.

If you look at children, they possess the beauty and the Magic and the spiritual power of all that is good in humans and Life. They are literally like helpless little angels. Why wouldn't destroying and desecrating that be the most powerful and joyous act of a Satanite?

[divideandconquer]

And, PW, I don't understand why you are more concerned with guru's blog's effect on victims more than the effect of the atrocious pictures and what I assume are triggering words--considering they've been identified by the FBI as code words for pedophilila--posted by the politically powerful on Instagram, Twitter, etc. for all to see.

Perhaps it has something to do with Guruilla being a member here, but this is mere speculation.

I respect your profession of faith, and hope nobody would mock you for it. I offer the following link merely as food for thought & an interesting read, since I'm not sold either way. Longtime observer Gordon White sees the elite belief system as something considerably more pagan & cosmic:
http://runesoup.com/2013/12/billionaire ... f-systems/

Thank you for your respect. I did read the article you linked and it was quite interesting, as you said, "food for thought." Whatever their belief system, to be sure, it's pragmatic. It very well could be that those who engage in one kind of ritual or another do so only because it works, but because man has, in my humble opinion, a religious nature, that leads some to worship whatever entity or force they believe is behind the ritual.

One thing I'm certain of, whatever their belief system, they deem themselves fittest to survive and there is nothing wrong with facilitating "natural selection" and eliminating what they consider the dysgenic and weaker members of society. In other words, socio-political darwinism is the glue that binds them no matter how they identify. That, in and of itself, is anti Christ, as I understand Christ.

slomo:

This resonates with me. My own motivations for exploring/discussing PG are essentially spiritual: an effort to understand the truth about the world we live in. If I had to label myself, I would classify myself as a gnostic Christian, in that I believe the world we live in has been constructed as a spiritual prison, and that the mythology of Christ gives us a number of clues on how to escape/transcend. PG substantiates this worldview, but to the extent that it only confirms what I already strongly suspect, it may be gratuitous. Of course I hope for justice, but I doubt I will see it in my lifetime, for the sole reason that (I believe) this world has been built precisely to oppose justice. On the other hand, the more people who "wake up" (e.g. make substantial, if not total, progress on the journey of healing and integration), the more likely we are to see justice, at least in spiritual terms.

I agree with PW that the work has to be done internally and within the context of a real, intimate, meat-space relationship. However, there is value in exploring these themes anonymously, as it allows us to test our beliefs in a relatively objective setting (by "objective" I mean tested against independent opinions). They are complementary approaches. While the work of integration can be done without participating in an online semi-anonymous forum, it is somewhat enhanced by the experience because anonymous information exchange facilitates exposure to a great diversity of ideas and opinions, some of which may be healing, and others of which may provide the adversarial function of testing ones ideas and commitment.

As for what elites believe in: labels are irrelevant, it is what it is. My thought is that it is all just a carry-over from Roman times (or before) without any break in continuity. The continuity breaks we perceive are only what the masses have been fed.

Finally, I am also suspicious of social engineering efforts, for basically the reasons given by Guruilla. My day job is to substantiate one of the massive societal efforts in social engineering, and although most of the people involved at my level have good intentions, it is plainly evident to me that we create more monstrosities than we prevent. I actually now think the purpose of the biomedical/public health infrastructure is to provide R&D for techniques that can coerce and destroy with greater and greater precision, i.e. exactly the opposite of its stated purpose.

Yes, I also believe the "world we live in has been constructed as a spiritual prison", or a spiritual gymnasium, an uphill bowling alley, so to speak, except that I believe that Christ is not a myth, but like you said, He "gives us a number of clues on how to escape/transcend."

The only reason I think it's important to understand the true belief system of the elites is because they deceive the masses into believing that they share the same belief system as they do, therefore making the masses much more compliant and much more vulnerable to the strategies and manipulations that are used against them.

[slomo]

D&C: Clarification on my use of the word "mythology". I don't mean "fiction" (although a historical Jesus could indeed be fictional, though it's hard to know either way). What I am reference is archetypal reality, which in my belief system exists independently of historical fact. Which is, incidentally, essentially unknowable, since it has been manipulated as recently as a decade ago (or sooner).

Re: prison vs. gymnasium, on a good day I can impose a less pessimistic view. But the idea that our world is a gymnasium and not a prison makes sense only if there is a larger "spirit" portion to our existence that can benefit from the challenges our ego-selves receive in this plane of existence. I do in fact believe this. However, on a day-to-day basis, from the point of view of our narrow awareness of ego-self, it is effectively a prison. It's actually useful to view it as such, because it provides motivation to extend awareness to the larger Self.

[divideandconquer]

D&C: Clarification on my use of the word "mythology". I don't mean "fiction" (although a historical Jesus could indeed be fictional, though it's hard to know either way). What I am reference is archetypal reality, which in my belief system exists independently of historical fact. Which is, incidentally, essentially unknowable, since it has been manipulated as recently as a decade ago (or sooner).

Re: prison vs. gymnasium, on a good day I can impose a less pessimistic view. But the idea that our world is a gymnasium and not a prison makes sense only if there is a larger "spirit" portion to our existence that can benefit from the challenges our ego-selves receive in this plane of existence. I do in fact believe this. However, on a day-to-day basis, from the point of view of our narrow awareness of ego-self, it is effectively a prison. It's actually useful to view it as such, because it provides motivation to extend awareness to the larger Self.

Thank you for explaining and for sharing. I thought I was the only one who thought of our world this way. I think you are right, the world is more like a prison insomuch as we have to be here, and like prisoners behind bars who have the choice to build their physical muscles, we can choose to use the gymnasium to build our spiritual muscles..or something like that.

[guruilla]

Lots of interesting points coming up at this thread; but meanwhile:

Just came on this video. Disclaimer: I am not vouching for the authenticity of the contents of this video. I consider it credible & worth further checking the claims therein, which is why I post it here. NOT to prove a case but to share what may be significant data and invite feedback. If you consider it bogus or irrelevant, please explain how you reached that conclusion. Thanks.

[slomo]

D&C: Clarification on my use of the word "mythology". I don't mean "fiction" (although a historical Jesus could indeed be fictional, though it's hard to know either way). What I am reference is archetypal reality, which in my belief system exists independently of historical fact. Which is, incidentally, essentially unknowable, since it has been manipulated as recently as a decade ago (or sooner).

Re: prison vs. gymnasium, on a good day I can impose a less pessimistic view. But the idea that our world is a gymnasium and not a prison makes sense only if there is a larger "spirit" portion to our existence that can benefit from the challenges our ego-selves receive in this plane of existence. I do in fact believe this. However, on a day-to-day basis, from the point of view of our narrow awareness of ego-self, it is effectively a prison. It's actually useful to view it as such, because it provides motivation to extend awareness to the larger Self.

Thank you for explaining and for sharing. I thought I was the only one who thought of our world this way. I think you are right, the world is more like a prison insomuch as we have to be here, and like prisoners behind bars who have the choice to build their physical muscles, we can choose to use the gymnasium to build our spiritual muscles..or something like that.

Yes! I tend to think of the "muscles" we are developing as "awareness" muscles. Topics like PG help -- up to a point. But only if expansion into this dark portion of our collective soul is counterbalanced by an equal expansion in the other direction. I do think it's wise to heed PW's warning (of sorts): it is possible to get swallowed up in the darkness.

Anyway:

[guruilla]

Thank you for explaining and for sharing. I thought I was the only one who thought of our world this way.

You are joking, right?

[slomo]

Thank you for explaining and for sharing. I thought I was the only one who thought of our world this way.

You are joking, right?

Guruilla, I think it's easy to become isolated by language, especially concerning topics that lie beyond the linguistic sphere. We often have the same understanding but use radically different words to describe it. So I think sometimes it's surprising when we recognize another's experience as similar to our own, even though we may use vastly different language to process it.

We've had a conversation about this before, no?

[guruilla]

Fair enough; I didn't mean to hack into a soul-to soul recognition of shared truth.

But you see my point? There's a whole 2nd matrix industry of the world as "spiritual prison." It's practically mainstream at this point....

There IS a world of difference between intellectual knowing and bodily, though.