What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[stefano]

Stefano, please enlighten me about why you think the Podestas and David Brock (who has been in the public eye since graduating university) strike you as being particularly pedophilic.

- The Podestas are lobbyists. Their job is to twist politicians' arms. I'm sure I don't need to explain the use of kompromat in that job to you.
- John Podesta is the archetype of the man who goes in and out of the revolving door between government and business. He's in a long line of East Coast grey eminences, and, again, the use of kompromat in that line is well established.
- The art in Tony Podesta's house creeps me the fuck out, I seriously cannot imagine who would proudly show that shit off to their friends.
- Tony Podesta's holiday with Denny Hastert
- The relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and the Clintons, at a time when the Podestas were managing the Clintons and David Brock was working for them. It definitely seems like more of a relationship than that between Epstein and Donald Trump, which has come out in the underage rape accusation against Trump.
- David Brock evidently has no political affiliation based on ideology at all. He does what it takes to be on the winning side.
- Same with the Podestas, who partnered with David Mattoon when the latter left the National Republican Congressional Committee. The Podesta Group CEO, Kimberley Fritts, is described on their website as "a veteran GOP political operative'". I wouldn't make too much of the labels - the point for these guys is to help the careers of politicians whom they can influence on behalf of their corporate clients. The more absolute their control the better.
- Brock paid his ex-boyfriend $850,000 as part of a settlement including non-disclosure terms. That is a shitload of money. It's generally thought to be about tax evasion related to a beach house, but Brock reportedly called it "blackmail." It seems very high, doesn't it? Arguably more than a guy like him would be fined by the IRS?
- Brock came to the attention of the mighty by attacking Anita Hill, who was accusing her (slightly) older and (considerably) more powerful former boss Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment.

now ask yourself... how did those thoughts get their in the first fucking place?

I hadn't paid any attention to the Podestas before last month. But if you concede that there is paedophilia in DC, and that is instrumentalised to coerce politicians, then what are the names of the men you think are most likely to be involved in it? Wouldn't you place the Podestas and Brock in that circle?

And if not, is your only reason that no victims have named them? Because as Nordic has pointed out repeatedly, that is typically true of powerful abusers for a long time before accusations come out.

[stefano]

Where is the FBI document or quotation acknowledging that "cheese pizza" is known code for child pornography, or any of the other terms cited in every pg primer?

"Cheese pizza" has definitely meant child pornography on 4chan for a good seven years, which means it has filtered into much wider use online and off in that time. I spent a bit of time on /b/ a while ago and the occasional bit of child porn was posted there. And a lot of "mods are asleep, post cheese pizza." I also often got the impression that paedos were sort of advertising, laying out a trail for others to follow to other places on the internet. So I'm quite sure many members of child porn networks, and some who have crossed into abusing, got there from 4chan.

edit- I'm pretty sure the rest of that list - hot dog = boy etc. - is made up

[Searcher08]

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/FBI_pedophile_symbols

[Elvis]

Stefano, please enlighten me about why you think the Podestas and David Brock (who has been in the public eye since graduating university) strike you as being particularly pedophilic.

- The Podestas are lobbyists. Their job is to twist politicians' arms. I'm sure I don't need to explain the use of kompromat in that job to you.
- John Podesta is the archetype of the man who goes in and out of the revolving door between government and business. He's in a long line of East Coast grey eminences, and, again, the use of kompromat in that line is well established.
- The art in Tony Podesta's house creeps me the fuck out, I seriously cannot imagine who would proudly show that shit off to their friends.
- Tony Podesta's holiday with Denny Hastert
- The relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and the Clintons, at a time when the Podestas were managing the Clintons and David Brock was working for them. It definitely seems like more of a relationship than that between Epstein and Donald Trump, which has come out in the underage rape accusation against Trump.
- David Brock evidently has no political affiliation based on ideology at all. He does what it takes to be on the winning side.
- Same with the Podestas, who partnered with David Mattoon when the latter left the National Republican Congressional Committee. The Podesta Group CEO, Kimberley Fritts, is described on their website as "a veteran GOP political operative'". I wouldn't make too much of the labels - the point for these guys is to help the careers of politicians whom they can influence on behalf of their corporate clients. The more absolute their control the better.
- Brock paid his ex-boyfriend $850,000 as part of a settlement including non-disclosure terms. That is a shitload of money. It's generally thought to be about tax evasion related to a beach house, but Brock reportedly called it "blackmail." It seems very high, doesn't it? Arguably more than a guy like him would be fined by the IRS?
- Brock came to the attention of the mighty by attacking Anita Hill, who was accusing her (slightly) older and (considerably) more powerful former boss Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment.

now ask yourself... how did those thoughts get their in the first fucking place?

I hadn't paid any attention to the Podestas before last month. But if you concede that there is paedophilia in DC, and that is instrumentalised to coerce politicians, then what are the names of the men you think are most likely to be involved in it? Wouldn't you place the Podestas and Brock in that circle?

And if not, is your only reason that no victims have named them? Because as Nordic has pointed out repeatedly, that is typically true of powerful abusers for a long time before accusations come out.

[Searcher08]

Well now, for all her "power", it sure didn't help her "steal" the White House, did it?

This "The Clintons are the Devil" crap really gets my goat. It's like everybody forgets that all those right-wing lies about them were debunked years ago. Now we're all supposed to believe that Bill Clinton is a pedophile, when even the wildest claims against him back in the day never approached that precipice.

As for Brock... are you even aware of his career trajectory?

These are still human beings we're discussing here. You should try not to forget that.

J.

All humans deserve to be treated with dignity. Period. It is always worth keeping in mind.

I am aware of Brock's "career" trajectory.
Having said that, there have been very very few people I have come across who make my skin crawl just listening and looking at them, but David Brock is one of them. YMMV
For me, he seems to be a malignant narcissist (Scott Peck - The People of the Lie)


Bill Clinton's role with Juanita Broderick hasnt been debunked,
and his lasting friendship with Jeffrey Epstein involving multiple visits to "Orgy Island" is at the very least extremely disturbing. I think Virginia Andrews (whom I consider both brave and telling the truth) being sued for defamation by Alan Dershowitz (also Epstein's attorney) points to something.


What is your intuition of what is going on in this picture?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Based on things I've read especially on this board over the years, John and Tony Podesta look like exactly the kind of people who would not only be paedophiles, but would use child abuse as an influence tool. So does David Brock. And that's why I continue to think there's something here, all the lurid bullshit fantasies notwithstanding.

I don't think you need to be an abuser to be aware of it and manipulate people for your benefit. I get this impression about Cardinal George Pell who was at the Ballarat Diocese in Victoria when some of the worst abuse there took place. People have always accused Pell of knowing and covering up but the few times he has implicated in actual abuse its been pretty hard to make a case. And people try as hard as they can. Pell rose to be head of the inquisition, which still exists, and one of the most powerful men in the Vatican (he still is,) so is definitely capable of using information on other people to his advantage.

He also ran the Diocese newspaper while the abuse was happening. Its unlikely he was unaware given the rumours etc surrounding the place and pell's ability to run informer networks and related stuff.

In the same context in the months before he died Litvinenko alleged Putin was a pedophile and it was known to some members of the KGB hierarchy. It was this personality that stopped his rise thru the KGB. Whether such accusations are true or not I dunno, but the point was Litvinenko reckoned the KGB saw this a potential point of vulnerability - a weakness Putin had that could be exploited by Russia's enemies. Whoever they might be.

Pedophiles in positions of power are very useful if you have the photos and the videos.

[stefano]

I don't think you need to be an abuser to be aware of it and manipulate people for your benefit.
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Pedophiles in positions of power are very useful if you have the photos and the videos.

Oh certainly. It's very plausible that the biggest manipulators don't touch kids at all, that it's purely business for them and they think they would weaken their position if their assets knew compromising things about them. Very possible that John Podesta is a man like that - he's got that ascetic look about him, doesn't look like a guy who eats or drinks to excess either.

[Jerky]

Stefano, I would never doubt that it was POSSIBLE that the Podestas are engaged in shady shennanigans. Anything is possible. However, I have yet to see any indication that they, themselves, either indulge in that evil, or trade in that currency. For all their success and access to power, John Podesta has always seemed like a fairly straight shooter to me. The UFO stuff has been the limit of his weirdness, and I felt that, up until recently, that kind of made him seem like "one of us" in a sense. Except he's one of us who got access to the upper levels of government (if not real POWER). The guy is a nerd, ffs. And Epstein, slimy tho he be, is not a pedophile. He's an ephebophile... he's attracted to teenage post-pubescent girls. There's a difference. It sucks that Clinton got caught up in that, but yeah, power and money like to mingle.

As for Broaderick, there's plenty of reason to think she's lying, not least of which her own words:
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/09/ ... tions.html

But people just believe it now, because, you know, that's the narrative! Clinton = evil rapist. Now it's Clintons = pedo-satanists, I guess. Is this how history gels? I certainly fucking hope not.

As for Podestas brother, Tony, I didn't know about him until recently, but I will say this...

Reading what you've written about his art puts the hairs up on the back of my arms. Having traveled in alternative culture circles for years, I can tell you that the people who create - and appreciate - the most challenging, disturbing, and occasionally confronting works of art are among the kindest, gentlest, least violent, most trustworthy people that I've ever known. The notion that you can judge a person's character based on the art that they like is a huge step down a very dangerous slippery slope. It was a big part of the Nazi's civilizational project, and it should never be part of an enlightened, free civilizational project such as that which I assume most of us here at Rig Int are in favor of.

About the Hastert thing...

If having once been friends with someone who was later found to be a pedophile makes one a pedophile, then there are an awful lot of pedophiles in the world, and that would include me. One of my close childhood friends was arrested twice for possession of child pornography, years after we lost touch (I moved West, he moved East), and the first time, it was the 'biggest cache of child porn' seized in Canada up to that time.

Now, in another thread when someone pointed out that there was an unthinkable number of child porn customers working and/or serving in the militarily, I realize that the first thing that came to people's minds was "Wow... there are a lot of government people downloading child porn." The thought that came to me, however, was "Wow... the government sure employs a lot of people."

Sad to say, but there are many factors that have made child pornography and "pedophilia" pandemic in the West. The internet and assumed anonymity is a big part of it. But that's a big topic, too serious to be mixed up with this Pizzagate nonsense. We should be leaving the spinning of those confections to the Alex joneses and the Milo whatsisnaapuses, and doing the serious work of dissecting and deconstructing their lies - figuring out what their end goals are for these things - not falling for them like a bunch of mindless fucking saps.

Thanks for your response.

J.

[82_28]

Elvis! You back! I was going to call you in the next couple days. Good to see you here again.

[Luther Blissett]

Note: Alefantis was named one of D.C. "top 50 most powerful people" in one year in one single publication, GQ. Every large city has multiple publications producing these lists every year. It is essentially meaningless.

[simian1]

The Pedo-in-Chief was even moved to weigh in on this issue....

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope- ... SKBN13W1TU

[Bryter]

Okay, ignoring the fact that -- unless you include all the sexually repressed Republican activists, some meth-addled Bible Belt preachers, and a few poncy British Tories who have been shown to enjoy a bit of rough trade with rent boys -- NO cases of Satanic pedophilia have ever been proven...

What about these ones here in the UK?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/satanic-sex-cult-face-years-1845296
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/national/news/10110385.Pair_jailed_for__ritualistic__abuse/

[simian1]

Okay, ignoring the fact that -- unless you include all the sexually repressed Republican activists, some meth-addled Bible Belt preachers, and a few poncy British Tories who have been shown to enjoy a bit of rough trade with rent boys -- NO cases of Satanic pedophilia have ever been proven...

What about these ones here in the UK?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/satanic-sex-cult-face-years-1845296
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/national/news/10110385.Pair_jailed_for__ritualistic__abuse/

Another priest we tracked down, Father Federico Fernandez Baeza, was indicted by a grand jury in 1987 on two second-degree felony charges of indecency with a child.A family in San Antonio, Texas accused Fernandez in a civil lawsuit of ritually raping two brothers over a two-year period. Prosecutors dropped the criminal case after the diocese of San Antonio reportedly paid the family more than $1 million. Fernandez flew to Colombia, where he continued a high-profile career in the church. We traced him to the city of Cartagena, where he’s a senior administrator and priest at a Catholic university.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-09-17/u ... th-america

More about Fernandez, including a charge of child murder:

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-09-18/s ... -molesters

Not sure what qualifies as "satanic", but a bunch of guys in black "ritually raping" children meets my criteria...

[Jerky]

Dude was a supermarket security guard.

[simian1]

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ne ... ccused.htm

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=10780

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/priest-char ... ns-murder/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/detroit-large ... d=32714083