What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Iamwhomiam]

I do not know how to help you with that video, Heaven Swan. I don't know that it can be.

[Wombaticus Rex]

“There is a camaraderie to it,” she said. “It is like sitting around with your friends saying, ‘What really happened to JFK?’ It is like a giant game, especially nowadays when you can crowdsource thousands of emails and figure out what’s going on. It’s like a real-life Kennedy assassination where all the stuff is at your fingertips, and it’s happening today.”

Too true. Much like that, uh, "protest" at Reed this week, the point of the exercise is group bonding, group cohesion. The increasingly absurd ingredients getting thrown into the thresher just get added to the puree -- for instance, it will be interesting to see whether Grays-as-aliens, Grays-as-demons, or MILAB flavors get adopted as gospel next week.

It's becoming increasingly clear this is a major outbreak, a cultural inflection point where several subcultures worth of history, keywords & memetics are bursting forth into much bigger demographics. What we've witnessed in the past year -- odd, occasional re-activations of 80s-90s era conspiracy theory actors and .mil psyops assets, the Brad DeLong / Podesta play, the curious crop of films priming people for these subjects (especially "Regression") -- was clearly someone powering up The Whole Fucking Thing for one more big mission.

Is Ted Gunderson still alive? No, really.

[brekin]

Okay, ignoring the fact that -- unless you include all the sexually repressed Republican activists, some meth-addled Bible Belt preachers, and a few poncy British Tories who have been shown to enjoy a bit of rough trade with rent boys -- NO cases of Satanic pedophilia have ever been proven...

Kind of hard to watch.

Yes, hard to watch. Here's a year later update from the same program.


I can't say that what that young woman claims happened didn't happen.
It seems obvious she was abused to some degree.
I think the "Pizzagate" title in the first video title though is completely misleading. Both of those incidents may be examples of ritual satanic abuse, but it would be a stretch to prove they were carried out by the same people or network. Not impossible of course, but I think it just conflates the issue.

Hard to find much information about the woman's case. Theresa's case had her grandmother and five men on charges, but those were dropped. There was no physical evidence found of the ritualistic aspect of the abuse or murders. But from the psychiatrist involved who treated Theresa he seems to think it was because no jury would believe the claims. Another independent psychiatrist believed that another patient he treated, Margaret with basically similar claims, had made everything up with his assistance.
https://books.google.com/books?id=upHtL ... &q&f=false

[guruilla]

So beyond the obvious systemic issues with the entirety of international "child saving" and adoptions, do you think Silsby intended to sell these children into satanic ritual abuse? I mean, straight up.

Why put it in such broad-stroke terms? Why jump all the way to the most extreme and incendiary position when it's clearly a case of hopping over a whole bunch of dots to draw a line that you already disagree is real? To put an argument in someone else's mouth in order to shoot it down is strawman tactics once again. & what does it matter what someone thinks when they are presenting evidence (if Plutonia want people to know, she will say so, surely)?

And if not, how does this event have bearing upon the subject at hand?

You brought up satanic ritual abuse. No one at this thread has stated that Comet Ping Pong's dealings involves SRA categorically. Child trafficking, abuse, exploitation, is the general subject and Clinton, Podesta, et al., are linked to it via Silsby (& Epstein), where Alefantis is linked to it, possibly, via his strangely motivated aesthetic preferences and seeming sexual proclivities.

Do you think the Clintons were just running to support anything that smacks of possible access to children to satisfy their need for youthful bloodletting, and this fit the bill? Because that strikes me as the implication you're driving at.

Bah, humbug.

[Sounder]

Omg. Cathy O'Brien in the victims section... That's frightening. And shows how organized and thought out operation Pizzagate is. Yes, now I believe it's a psyop, not micromanaged in every detail but clearly building on past counter-operations such as the Cathy O/ Brice Taylor one.

I'm with you Heaven Swan, but the scenarios that run in my head do not make sense in that a Trump opp would seem to be supporting a MSM opp.

What is their (the perps) game? What are their aims? These are questions that can be researched and analysed without a lot of investigative footwork. It can be done through reading, talking to survivors, and taking a few steps back to look at the big picture.

I am puzzled and hope that others weigh in with big picture assessments that currently seem somewhat elusive.

[American Dream]

Beyond Pizzagate: These are the real conspiracies

By Alexandra Petri December 9

If there is one thing that I learned from Pizzagate, it is that we are working much, much too hard to find conspiracies.

The origin of this conspiracy theory (which now, like any good conspiracy theory, includes psi-ops and secret tunnels) seems to be that someone decided that the word “pizza” in an email from those leaked from John Podesta by WikiLeaks could not POSSIBLY mean “pizza” and leaped immediately from there to the conclusion that it meant child (or child pornography; even the conspiracy is not quite clear on this point) and from that concluded that the Comet Ping Pong restaurant was the hub of a secret pedophile ring catering to Hillary Clinton. This theory, subsequently bolstered by pictures taken out of context from Comet social media, music videos and intense misreadings of innocuous symbols, would have been merely absurd if a human being had not shown up at the restaurant with a gun in an effort to free the nonexistent children being held there in nonexistent secret tunnels.

No one was hurt, thank goodness, but can we stop jumping from zero to New World Order Child Sex Trafficking? There are plenty of obvious conspiracies RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES that we need to merely wake up and see.

American history: “How does a ragtag volunteer army in need of a shower somehow defeat a global superpower?” Exactly. George Washington and George III having the same name cannot be a coincidence either. George Washington was a Mason. Just listing these unrelated facts in order should be sufficient proof. There is no way that we defeated the British, which is why, at the “surrender” at “Yorktown” (bad name for a place; sounds fabricated) they played “The World Turned Upside Down.” Clearly, this was code. Why didn’t George Washington have any children of his own? He only had one real tooth. He wore a stranger’s teeth. This is all connected.

“Hamilton”: Has anyone actually seen this musical? The only pictures of it ever seen are clearly staged for inclusion in newspaper reviews. When people “go” to “see” it, they take pictures of the stage door and of the program, but never actually the show. This is a concept album and a popular delusion, bolstered by a sinister theater syndicate and vague Tumblr presences. There is no way anyone would spend this much money to see Thomas Jefferson rap.

Floss: Is there actually floss in a container of floss? When dentists give you free ones, they have at least six inches of floss within, but can anyone confirm that there is more? Has anyone ever finished one of these containers? Has anyone ever actually flossed? If so, why is there no record of it? What did it achieve, if anything?

Giraffes: Clearly made up. Just look at them. They are construction cranes covered in leopard-print coats with a child’s drawing of a horse face tacked on to avert suspicion. These are not real animals, and the sooner we stop pretending that they are, the better.

Metro: This elaborate maze of underground tunnels that are often full of mysterious carts that start nowhere and go nowhere cannot possibly be meant to transport people to and from their places of work. Sometimes it is full of mysterious fire, water and deadly smoke (clearly Masonic symbolism). On H Street NE, for many months, a trolley went back and forth, mournfully dinging, with no passengers inside. This cannot be a real organization run in a businesslike manner. Must be a coverup of some kind.

[Plutonia]

So what should we make of this then?:

So much of Pizzagate hinges upon determining motivations. Did individuals around Comet Ping Pong make "baby coffins"? Or was it a coffin-shaped coffee table? Is this notable because it underscores a deviant and nefarious motivation on the part of all persons making or liking or sharing a picture of a coffin-shaped coffee table? Was the intention to do bad things to babies on the coffee table? Or is the answer simply mundane?

So wrt Laura Silsby, her motivations would seem to be paramount. I have no problem with describing her actions in 2010 as "child trafficking". As the Harvard paper notes, it fits the description set forth by UNICEF. Nevertheless, did she intend ill-will towards the children? This is the only question that matters in the context of Pizzagate - was her intention evil, or was she yet another in a long line of misguided western "child saviors" whose fervent Christianity was waylaid by her poor business and administrative abilities and her willingness to break the law if she felt in her heart it was the right thing to do?

This guy doesn't seem to have an axe to grind in favor of Silsby, on the contrary, he's suing her:

"In my heart, I think she probably went down there with good intentions, to help people that were in trouble, but it's a lack of foresight and planning, once again. She did that in her business life and it seems to follow her in her personal life," Bryan Jack, an employee at Personal Shopper currently suing Silsby for back pay, told CNN.

So beyond the obvious systemic issues with the entirety of international "child saving" and adoptions, do you think Silsby intended to sell these children into satanic ritual abuse? I mean, straight up. And if not, how does this event have bearing upon the subject at hand? Do you think the Clintons were just running to support anything that smacks of possible access to children to satisfy their need for youthful bloodletting, and this fit the bill? Because that strikes me as the implication you're driving at.

What I think is that money is driving the whole business ie the epidemic of government employees consuming child porn correlates to Lori Handrahan's assertion that people are earning $1000 a pop for molesting children live via webcam.

I also think the satanic stuff represents a range of engagements ie sometimes people and/or shills use outrageous satanic claims in order to discredit areas of inquiry and credulous people sometimes fall for it and double down. On the other (left?) hand, I think other people take it very seriously indeed, whether it's a case of paraphilia or real attempts to work ritual magik with taboo/transgression or whatever it is they think they are doing.

It's not like it never happens: http://endritualabuse.org/evidence/publ ... l-in-2008/

One explanation I can think of for that data-set, given Silsby's financial difficulty - would Silsby have been (and may even had been in the past) careless of where she placed her "orphans" perhaps? Sure, she may have well meaning, but she lied repeatedly about what she was doing and who those children were. She knowingly took children from their families. One last question: with all the millions of dollars the Clinton Foundation doled out to child welfare NGOs, and given Hillary's obvious interest in the woman, why was Silsby left out of the bounty? She was being monitored, so why wasn't she steered towards following protocol and obeying the laws down there, given that her actions resulted in an international incident implicating the Clintons?

Sorry that was more than one question.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Beyond Pizzagate: These are the real conspiracies

By Alexandra Petri December 9

Jeff Bezos Blog is laying the smarm mighty thick on that one, eh? Cutesy & trite.

Can't have the proles thinking there's pedophilia rings in Washington, DC!

#GiraffesArentReal

This cannot be a real organization run in a businesslike manner. Must be a coverup of some kind.

[slomo]

How about that conspiracy to constantly track everything you do and purchase?

For example, creating a store whose sole purpose for being is to consent you into the most intrusive forms of surveillance ... so you can avoid a couple of minutes waiting at the checkout line? Maybe with those 5 minutes you saved you can spend a little more time on Facebook.

Honestly, I don't know how such a passionate opponent of fascism can take the Bezos-owned Washington Post seriously. I love Amazon and all, but if there ever were a force for totalitarianism in this world, Amazon would be it.

[Project Willow]

Omg. Cathy O'Brien in the victims section... That's frightening. And shows how organized and thought out operation Pizzagate is. Yes, now I believe it's a psyop, not micromanaged in every detail but clearly building on past counter-operations such as the Cathy O/ Brice Taylor one.

This morning I got this video in my inbox from one of my acquaintances that has taken to sending me Pizzagate stuff-

Flat Earth Pedophile CIA SEX SLAVE MK ULTRA Brice Taylor
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... 7NGOI8XCX4

They have no victims so they're dredging up everything related to SRA, like that video upthread, from god knows how many years back, from Australian 60 minutes, about ritual abuse in England that they've relabeled Pizzagate. A clear attempt to associate every conceivable reference to RA with Hillary Clinton and the demoocrats.

Many on this site I'm sure already know this, but from my research with survivors it became clear that Cathy O'Brien and Brice Taylor, who, although no doubt truly suffered under MK Ultra mind control, were still under said mind control when they were wheeled out by their handlers into the public eye with their books and testimonies.

They had not broken free of the MC network and had not fully healed, deprogrammed and remembered what happened to them, therefore the details of their stories are not trustworthy. IOW they were still closely linked with dangerous perps who were (and are) conducting wel-financed psychological operations against the people of the world.

What is their (the perps) game? What are their aims? These are questions that can be researched and analysed without a lot of investigative footwork. It can be done through reading, talking to survivors, and taking a few steps back to look at the big picture.

I tried to make the bolded point/warning in general up thread, without much success.

I can only peek out through my fingers at pizzagate, like staring at an intersection on a fast highway with a broken traffic light, waiting for the inevitable tragedy. Tragedy may not be inevitable though, the shear numbers of people involved, there are drivers who will not speed through.

Experiences over the last two years make it painfully clear to me that the perps are still heavily invested in keeping the reality of MC hidden. There is evidence of massive pre-planning and considerable resources dedicated to maintaining cover. I've come to learn things about other prominent figures in the survivor/advocate community I never would have suspected before, and our support groups and conferences, all of them splintered through infighting, arguably infiltrated. Any honest effort is met with coordinated and merciless opposition, down to obscure blog posts. Sorry to paint a depressing picture, this is just reality as I see it today.

[barracuda]

Why put it in such broad-stroke terms? Why jump all the way to the most extreme and incendiary position when it's clearly a case of hopping over a whole bunch of dots to draw a line that you already disagree is real? To put an argument in someone else's mouth in order to shoot it down is strawman tactics once again. & what does it matter what someone thinks when they are presenting evidence (if Plutonia want people to know, she will say so, surely)?

You take issue with my phrasing, I see. Personally, I think networks of child abduction and abuse are literally on equal moral footing with SRA, so your distinction has little difference for me. And really, if you plan on objecting to people jumping to extremes, maybe you should avoid demanding explanations for "baby coffins" that are actually coffee tables. One must explore circus metaphors simply to compete with some of your hyperbole.

You brought up satanic ritual abuse. No one at this thread has stated that Comet Ping Pong's dealings involves SRA categorically. Child trafficking, abuse, exploitation, is the general subject and Clinton, Podesta, et al., are linked to it via Silsby (& Epstein), where Alefantis is linked to it, possibly, via his strangely motivated aesthetic preferences and seeming sexual proclivities.

Don't be coy. Baby coffins? Spirit cooking with semen? Kill rooms? Jeffrey Dahmer? What do you suppose folks think is going on here? Satanism is the delivery system for much of the P-gate meme warfare.

[Joe Hillshoist]

South Korean equivalent of pizzagate?

Breaking Korean Shadow Government Uncovered https://m.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/59z1le/breaking_korean_shadow_government_uncovered/?ref=search_posts In case you haven't heard there are country-wide protests occurring in South Korea stemming from a classified email link that essentially implicated the whole government as being illegitimate. The President of Korea is being called to resign after everyone found out their government was completely being ran by a third party which used nonprofits to cover up fraud.

This whole story is absolutely insane and is not being covered anywhere, there’s so much involved you have to do some reading.

Here’s a start: https://archive.is/uB0bN https://archive.is/P9Vt1 https://archive.is/0TgFj https://i.sli.mg/reEzki.jpg https://i.sli.mg/ch9LWY.jpg

Here are some links regarding the general situation https://sli.mg/kabkl9 https://sli.mg/xmEnkG https://sli.mg/uLCdkg

There are growing rumors online that this situation implicates the Clinton Foundation, Soros, and even Merkle as the puppeteer ran to Germany. The foundation's being used by Choi Soon-sil and the South Korean President are very similar to what we may see in the coming weeks to Clinton.

THIS IS LITERALLY THE CLINTON FOUNDATION PARALLEL OF KOREA.

And judging by the complete media blackout I wouldn't be surprised (nothing on r/worldnews even).

Spread this as much as possible please.

UPDATE: /r/conspiracy/comments/5a2xf0/breaking_south_koreas_choi_who_controlled_park/

Crowds of Millions Protest After Finding Out President is Part of “Satanic Cult” – South Korea
http://livingresistance.com/2016/12/08/ ... uth-korea/
She was claiming to be in spiritual contact with entities from the grave.

A newly released Wikileaks cable from the US embassy in Seoul reported that she believed there was “complete control over her body and soul.”

Yes, the President of South Korea, Park Geun-hye, who is the country’s first female president, has been caught in a bizarre cult involving a woman named Choi Soon-sil, according to reports.

Park Geun-hye and Choi Soon-sil had an intimate relationship where state secrets were shared, and millions of dollars in corrupt deals were made, at the expense of the South Korean people.

Choi Soon-sil was not authorized to be in possession of such secrets, yet they were given to her.

It also turns out that Choi Soon-sil was acting in an advisory capacity to the president, quite literally controlling major elements of South Korean decision making procedures, despite not having any clearance.

You can imagine how furious the population became when it was discovered that their President was being directed by a billionaire cultist family. It turns out that South Korea also had a supportive relationship with the Clintons.

Choi Soon-sil is the daughter of a secretive cult leader who was involved in what some are calling “satanic rituals” in the 1990s.

Naive people still don’t believe cults exist, but the President took this cult very seriously and participated in its activities.

Unbeknownst to the population, this person was channeling spirits which the President, at any rate, believed were real.

Thus when it came out that the President was a quite-literally offering herself up for spiritual possession, to do the bidding of whatever Choi Soon-sil wanted, the South Korean population became enraged.

The protests are some of the largest in political history.

Over two million people have taken to the streets after finding out about the cult and the corruption.

They have effectively shut down the country, demanding that the President resign immediately.

An impeachment has been filed as of December 3, 2016, and the President has agreed to step down.

This massive crisis has received scant attention from the US media, as it deals with its own claims of cult activity.

This is probably the highest number of protestors ever demanding a leader to step down, in recent memory. An estimated 1.5 million hit the streets in the capital of South Korea to demand the resignation of the US puppet President Park Geun-hye.

Park has been embroiled in an influence peddling scandal akin to that of the Clinton Foundation’s false philanthropy, when her friend Choi gained privileged access to Park’s administration in favor of at least two contributors to the latter’s foundation.

The only difference is that the South Koreans are quick to respond en masse.
https://geopolitics.co/2016/11/27/1-5-m ... step-down/

Swirling Scandal Involving Shamanistic Cult Threatens S. Korean President
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... -president

Calling that a Satanic Cult or comparing it to Pizzagate is bigoted Christian bullshit.

Yes Christian bullshit, cos in this culture certain Christians are the only fuckwits that think any other form of religion or whatever is Satanic.

BTW if there are any Christians reading this and you're offended by this because you think all religions are a path to God you just prefer yours - sorry. I'm not actually talking about you.

If you are offended cos I've just described your worldview - good. GAGF.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Listen all of this crap we're arguing about is due to one thing: the complete lack of actual journalism in the US.

Journalism is dead. Everybody knows it. It's all "fake news" now.

Which means we're all trying to figure SHIT out on our own. This is literally a crowd investigation. And the vast majority of the people investigating it are terrible at it.

Imagine, if we had journalism, we all might be willing to step back and let the pros handle it.

But that's not gonna happen. There are no pros.

We're on our own.

There's gonna be collateral damage. That's just a reality.

I agree with that.

But if you wade thru people's lives on a personal mission from god to save the children (or the world) the path you take will be strewn with collateral damage and if you don't care/think the only people you will effect are guilty anyway then the only difference between your lack of consideration for others while you fulfill your desires and that of the people you think are evil is a matter of scale and that's not as big a difference as you might think. That is why its a principle of a democracy to only investigate crimes, not people.

If you want to investigate shit do it properly. if you are an amateur, study and get good at it first. Don't just wade thru shit with your critical thinking skills switched off.

[barracuda]

It's not like it never happens:

Honestly, you don't need to convince me that SRA is real, I'm a believer.

One explanation I can think of for that data-set, given Silsby's financial difficulty - would Silsby have been (and may even had been in the past) careless of where she placed her "orphans" perhaps? Sure, she may have well meaning, but she lied repeatedly about what she was doing and who those children were. She knowingly took children from their families. One last question: with all the millions of dollars the Clinton Foundation doled out to child welfare NGOs, and given Hillary's obvious interest in the woman, why was Silsby left out of the bounty? She was being monitored, so why wasn't she steered towards following protocol and obeying the laws down there, given that her actions resulted in an international incident implicating the Clintons?

Maybe because she was a crazy-ass Xtian church lady? I dunno. But I would think her financial situation would point to the fact that either she's not very good at child trafficking, or there's less money in it than I would imagine. Or maybe some other thing.

[Nordic]

Listen all of this crap we're arguing about is due to one thing: the complete lack of actual journalism in the US.

Journalism is dead. Everybody knows it. It's all "fake news" now.

Which means we're all trying to figure SHIT out on our own. This is literally a crowd investigation. And the vast majority of the people investigating it are terrible at it.

Imagine, if we had journalism, we all might be willing to step back and let the pros handle it.

But that's not gonna happen. There are no pros.

We're on our own.

There's gonna be collateral damage. That's just a reality.

I agree with that.

But if you wade thru people's lives on a personal mission from god to save the children (or the world) the path you take will be strewn with collateral damage and if you don't care/think the only people you will effect are guilty anyway then the only difference between your lack of consideration for others while you fulfill your desires and that of the people you think are evil is a matter of scale and that's not as big a difference as you might think. That is why its a principle of a democracy to only investigate crimes, not people.

If you want to investigate shit do it properly. if you are an amateur, study and get good at it first. Don't just wade thru shit with your critical thinking skills switched off.

We're all amateurs. And we're all on our own. We research things. We're trying to make sense of what's going on in the world.

As long as we're not making threatening phone calls, showing up with guns, or otherwise disrupting the lives of people who may actually not be guilty, we haven't done anything wrong.

There's this apparent assumption in the air with some folks that we shouldn't be investigating these things because it might somehow offend innocent people. Like Jerky; he must be be extremely innocent since he is so deeply offended.

Seriously, as long as you yourself aren't hurting anyone, there is zero problem with investigating this fully.

Again, we're all on our own here, so with a complete collapse of trust in the media and our government figures, there are going to be "incidents". That's not our fault and it's not our problem.