What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Wombaticus Rex]

The picture was just the last drop (It was a picture of two young girls in suggestive poses with a box of ice cream called 'Lickables'. You can find it via a link on page 6 or 7 of this thread, but don't), and he immediately went on the defensive when called on it, as usual.

That was the one he had the common sense to remove.

The fact he left blatant pornography up and thought that was fine is the reason he's banned.

Georgia O'Keefe is one thing, but anyone posting explictly pornographic images here is getting banned.

[Elihu]

i didn't have a problem with the person. waaaaay too much banning goin on. in fact i vote we unban everyone starting with hugh

[Heaven Swan]

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Many on this site I'm sure already know this, but from my research with survivors it became clear that Cathy O'Brien and Brice Taylor, who, although no doubt truly suffered under MK Ultra mind control, were still under said mind control when they were wheeled out by their handlers into the public eye with their books and testimonies.

They had not broken free of the MC network and had not fully healed, deprogrammed and remembered what happened to them, therefore the details of their stories are not trustworthy. IOW they were still closely linked with dangerous perps who were (and are) conducting wel-financed psychological operations against the people of the world.

What is their (the perps) game? What are their aims? These are questions that can be researched and analysed without a lot of investigative footwork. It can be done through reading, talking to survivors, and taking a few steps back to look at the big picture.

I tried to make the bolded point/warning in general up thread, without much success.

I can only peek out through my fingers at pizzagate, like staring at an intersection on a fast highway with a broken traffic light, waiting for the inevitable tragedy. Tragedy may not be inevitable though, the shear numbers of people involved, there are drivers who will not speed through.

Experiences over the last two years make it painfully clear to me that the perps are still heavily invested in keeping the reality of MC hidden. There is evidence of massive pre-planning and considerable resources dedicated to maintaining cover. I've come to learn things about other prominent figures in the survivor/advocate community I never would have suspected before, and our support groups and conferences, all of them splintered through infighting, arguably infiltrated. Any honest effort is met with coordinated and merciless opposition, down to obscure blog posts. Sorry to paint a depressing picture, this is just reality as I see it today.

Perps have a lot to lose if they are exposed. They risk prison, fines, shame inducing public exposure, collapse of their organizations and more- so I guess it's not surprising that they fight hard to keep the truth from coming out.

Picking up on Cathy O'Brien and Brice T and disinformationist David Icke mentioned upthread. Icke wrote about and was chummy with Cathy O and used her to bolster his claims about SRA and reptillian overlords in his books and speaking engagements.

I'd like for us to consider if perhaps some of the perps' 'old tricks' might be being recycled in PG. After all, these abusers are shallow sadistic creeps not bottomless wells of creativity.

I've gathered from my reading and conversations with survivors that there are certain recurring themes the perps use in the screen memories they implant within the victims, and that these same themes are deployed in disinformation aimed at the public.

With regarrd to the public, the goal is to confuse us and throw us off track, and to discredit survivors and make them look like nuts. With the victims, the screen memories are implanted to block access to true memories and the true motives of the abusers.

The two main screen memories/disinfo themes I've heard about are (Satanic) Ritual Abuse and supernatural perpetrators.

Let's look at them both:

Satanic Ritual Abuse- this is a big world and I know that there must be some people who do these rituals without being connected with gov/military mind control or pedo sex industry networks, but we live in a historical moment where the main god is the Market (money, materialism...) and most of these perps are using the victims in their schemes of profit and power, whether in MK Ultra type programs or child abuse imagery sales.

In order to scramble and cover-up what's really going on they stage rituals at certain points in the programming or filming sessions, that way when the victim begins to remember, they encounter a scene of a horrible and confusing ritual. This can throw both the victim and therapist off track for a while or forever.

Supernatural Perps- Perps use a combination of drugs, films, costumes of ET's or actual reptiles at certain points to create bizarre memories of supernatural interventions that will send the victim and the therapist in a tail spin of wierdness.



Ok. As far as I know the supernatural angle hasn't surfaced in PG but, and correct me if I'm wrong- the whole PG narrative seems to be based on the idea that Hillary and her campaign people are engaging in Satanic sex rituals .....I won't repeat the disturbing details already put forward.

IOW when you take into consideration known disinfo and discrediting tactics, the whole PG narrative is potentially resting on very shaky ground...

Thanks for sharing what you did PW and I'd love to hear what you think of this take on it.

[Heaven Swan]

i didn't have a problem with the person. waaaaay too much banning goin on. in fact i vote we unban everyone starting with hugh

I think anyone who posts images of or close to child sex abuse should be banned forever. Thanks for banning him.
That's one reason why I don't want to go on voat. It's full of imagery that I do not want to see.

As far as Jerky's ban goes, I do agree that the psy insult he made to Guruilla was verbally abusive (he could have so easily said what he wanted to say about the content of the post w/o resorting to name-calling), but a one month ban seems a bit long. I would like to hear what he has to say. I wish he could express himself w/o the insults.

[Elvis]

He posted stuff from neo-nazis, disinfo videos (fake ballot stuffing etc.) and various bottom of the barrel bullshit, and he explicitly refused to check his sources after being called on it repeatedly. He got angry when I suggested spending five seconds on google checking them before posting.

I may be speaking out of turn but want to say I think he did those things deliberately, to distract the board and inject it with rightwing nuttery, the trashier the better. He played too many wiles to be a moron but maybe he really believed all that stuff (I have friends who do). He tried to stir up discord among members (shall I post the PMs?) and I only came back to RI after he was gone (although he wasn't the only reason I left for several months). Also notice the rather apparent strategy of joining and in the space of just two months innocuously attaining over 600 posts—establishing himself as a "regular"—before launching the gobs of more contentious crap.

divideandconquer, Agent Orange (and other folks who liked backtoiam), please don't hold my screed against me; I like you guys, I read your posts, I believe you're sincere and hope we'll have great discussions in the future.

[Elvis]

Returning to the main topic at hand, in the very few Podesta e-mails (three?) where "pizza" used in odd contexts, aren't they more likely to be talking about illicit drugs? (If not actual pizza.)

Paraphrasing, "Would I play dominos better on coke or ketamine?"

Code words I've heard for pot include "groceries," "friends," and even "ice cream." The "pizza related" map on the handkerchief could be a dealer's address, or (much) more likely about pizza. I gather Tony has a big pizza oven and one thing seems clear: the Podestas really like pizza, and Italian food in general.


When I was in Washington D.C. for nine days several years ago, I asked our hip, gay, 'connected' journalist host in the DuPont Circle brownstone if he could score me some weed. He told me he didn't know where to get any weed, but could easily get me some cocaine that day, and that the new popular drug in D.C. was "special K" aka ketamine, if I wanted some of that (pass). He generally indicated that the D.C. glitterati was awash in drugs (just not pot, and I can see why).

Also in that nine days' time, spent mostly among swank D.C. gay crowd, on reflection I think I understand that video of the drag commedienne's monolog at Comet Ping Pong about how disgusting women and babies are, and the guffawing in the audience. Consider the audience for that performer, in what is probably to some extent a "gay" venue (Alefantis being gay, I'd guess the place has a high gay patronage, and it's a straight shot from DuPont Circle).

So anyway...I started going through the 149 Podesta e-mails that contain the word pizza, but WL kept hanging up. In any event I'm thinking that "pizza" is not a code word at all. The Eric Prince involvement kind of seals it for me that the whole "pizza" thing is a put-on.

But—there is so much here, whether or not it involves pedophilia. That said, Tony's tastes in art are definitely a bit eyebrow raising. I'm looking around for my copy of "Blinded By the Right" though I may have given it away before reading it (I didn't expect to learn much about the right from it that I didn't already know); now, thanks to some of the great posts here, I'm extremely curious about Brock.

[brekin]

i didn't have a problem with the person. waaaaay too much banning goin on. in fact i vote we unban everyone starting with hugh

All shall be forgiven, starting with hugh...

[Project Willow]

Satanic Ritual Abuse- this is a big world and I know that there must be some people who do these rituals without being connected with gov/military mind control or pedo sex industry networks, but we live in a historical moment where the main god is the Market (money, materialism...) and most of these perps are using the victims in their schemes of profit and power, whether in MK Ultra type programs or child abuse imagery sales.

In order to scramble and cover-up what's really going on they stage rituals at certain points in the programming or filming sessions, that way when the victim begins to remember, they encounter a scene of a horrible and confusing ritual. This can throw both the victim and therapist off track for a while or forever.

I realize that skeptics like to say there is no evidence, but there is evidence for RA, hundreds of convictions globally, video footage, confessions. These are very old practices that go back in families over generations. They proceed gov. MC, arguably informed the first experiments on kids.

Supernatural Perps- Perps use a combination of drugs, films, costumes of ET's or actual reptiles at certain points to create bizarre memories of supernatural interventions that will send the victim and the therapist in a tail spin of wierdness.

ET are screen for medical experimentation, that I have no problem stating. The survivors I know understand this quite clearly.
Did the reptilian idea did emerge from survivors? I haven't met anyone who claims it. I see that more as a crutch for bystanders who cannot accept that a human being could carry out child torture. It's a meta-physical version of blaming the Jews.

A few survivors do report experiences of disincarnate beings, but this intersects with religious belief, and so is far less straight forward than dealing with the mechanics of screen memory. It gets into the territory of telling people their religious beliefs are wrong.

In general, screen memories aren't that big of an issue for someone who is already aware they've survived extreme abuse, and is active in healing. Any competent, experienced therapist is able to work with screens. In my case pretty much every programming torture session involved some element of trickery, whether it was a film I was made to watch and told I was the victim in the imagery, or that the water they were lowering me into was acid. There are parts of me who saw the tricks and remembered them as tricks. Screens often have a very flimsy feeling and involve limited senses. Of course a lot of survivors do not have access to competent care, and some of them get sent out to go public before they've done all the work, and are still being handled.

In the vast majority of cases, screens tend to be more of global issue that prevents people from ever getting to any abuse memories. There is a poster here who could speak to the it far better than I, but I'm not sure if she still visits the forum.

[stefano]

Thanks all, especially Plutonia and Heaven Swan for some good food for thought.

Tony's tastes in art are definitely a bit eyebrow raising.

To Jerky and Joe, who find this kind of sentiment worrying, I put it to you that the power of the person collecting the art is relevant to the discussion. I also have friends who are into art of that kind, and I love a bit of Roger Ballen myself (though I wouldn't hang his stuff in my house!). The fact of Podesta's power and wealth, though, makes it seem (to me) sinister that he has this predilection for imagery on the theme of childhood vulnerability.





The art's actually an interesting little Rorschach here, in the context of whether RI is dismissive of Pizzagate because it comes from Trump supporters. There was a "Twinks4Trump" event in October, and I remember (I thought I saw it here, but apparently not) some Clinton supporters having a go, calling the art obscene and so on. And, Trump being Trump, I don't mind saying that this whole 'daddy' thing on the part of his gay supporters is creepy as hell, too.

[Heaven Swan]

Satanic Ritual Abuse- this is a big world and I know that there must be some people who do these rituals without being connected with gov/military mind control or pedo sex industry networks, but we live in a historical moment where the main god is the Market (money, materialism...) and most of these perps are using the victims in their schemes of profit and power, whether in MK Ultra type programs or child abuse imagery sales.

In order to scramble and cover-up what's really going on they stage rituals at certain points in the programming or filming sessions, that way when the victim begins to remember, they encounter a scene of a horrible and confusing ritual. This can throw both the victim and therapist off track for a while or forever.

PW wrote: I realize that skeptics like to say there is no evidence, but there is evidence for RA, hundreds of convictions globally, video footage, confessions. These are very old practices that go back in families over generations. They proceed gov. MC, arguably informed the first experiments on kids.

I know that ritual abuse is part of the history of humanity and does still take place, but I wonder if the prevalence of ritualistic activity devoid of political and criminal motives is being exaggerated. Rituals don't put food on the table whereas gov funding and sex industry profits enrich.

Even in some of the convictions it's possible that not all the motives were uncovered. Satanic rituals involving killing, cannabalism, etc, tend to make people turn away in horror which can work very well for thought stopping and cover-up.

In Mexico I've heard indigenous scholars and leaders say that the sacrifices did take place but the prevalence was greatly exaggerated by colonizers in order to paint the indigenous as bloodthirsty savages.

I do remember reading that there was a 'meeting of minds' and recruiting (for MK Ultra) by the US gov of cultists and they became intertwined (with the gov and their deep pockets on top of course).

You've raised a good point though that it's important to be aware and not dismiss the fact that these ritualistic practices never fully died out

I think when trying to get at the truth of Pizzagate type accusations it's also important to be very aware of how the sensationalistic and horrifying nature of RA can be used to shock, disorient and manipulate. Basing claims on word associations without victims or evidence in a vicious electoral climate reeks of smear campaign and psyop.

Thanks for responding PW. I have to get ready for work but hope to continue examining this later.


Re: Twinks for Trump, etc,
Is Podesta gay? I know the restaurant owners are. I think this was touched on earlier by Slomo, but to get at the truth, looking at gay male culture would seem important.

[divideandconquer]

To Jerky and Joe, who find this kind of sentiment worrying, I put it to you that the power of the person collecting the art is relevant to the discussion. I also have friends who are into art of that kind, and I love a bit of Roger Ballen myself (though I wouldn't hang his stuff in my house!). The fact of Podesta's power and wealth, though, makes it seem (to me) sinister that he has this predilection for imagery on the theme of childhood vulnerability.

Yet, the opposite is true. It is their power and wealth that gives this kind of "art" its value and distinguishes it from, let's say, pornography, therefore making it irrelevant to the discussion of that powerful and wealthy person's guilt or innocence. The same art hanging in the house of your average Joe would raise eyebrows to high heaven. And if that person, "god forbid" came under suspicion, the "art" would practically confirm that person's guilt in the public eye and possibly even a court of law.

[Elihu]

if the government wanted it to stop it would be stopped. instead it's taken over the government. tv is the key. this would break tv. the two rise and fall together

[guruilla]

Ok. As far as I know the supernatural angle hasn't surfaced in PG but, and correct me if I'm wrong- the whole PG narrative seems to be based on the idea that Hillary and her campaign people are engaging in Satanic sex rituals ....

Not exactly. There may be people who focus on that angle and try to turn it into outright allegations (eg Alex Jones "Hillary has cut up and eaten kids"); there are also plenty of people who try to dismiss Pizzagate by focusing on that aspect, including at this thread, i.e., if you are suggesting that Comet Ping Pong is involved in child abuse then you are saying that Alefantis & Podesta are involved in satanic rituals. Some people may think so (I happen to) but it's not necessary, or helpful, to go there prematurely when we need to just follow what leads there are and see where they take us.

Part of the "problem" is that one of the very first clues was Abramovic and spirit cooking, the link to Crowley, occultism, etc. Since this discovery (of Podesta’s interest in occult rituals) coincided with the Pizza-code meme, the two were linked together and so the suggestions of pedophilia got conflated with that of occult rituals. While I happen to think the conflation is probably accurate, it’s definitely premature and can lead to this sort of over-simplification in which occult ritual = child abuse, or that child abuse = satanic ritual abuse, neither which is the case, obviously.

What’s relevant to me here is that occult philosophy and practices sometimes include the sexual abuse of children, murder, sacrifice, and so on, so there is reason to take the occult seriously as a possible indicator of something malignant, when it is found in tandem with child trafficking, jokes about child sexual abuse, etc. Add to this that there may be, in fact demonstrably is, a rationale and incentive for the sexual abuse of children that ties into occult beliefs and practices, and Podesta’s affiliations with Abramovic, Abramovic’s grotesque art installations, etc., etc., all become relevant, no matter how much occultism and/or edgy-art apologists might want to shout this connection down.

I realize that skeptics like to say there is no evidence, but there is evidence for RA, hundreds of convictions globally, video footage, confessions. These are very old practices that go back in families over generations. They proceed gov. MC, arguably informed the first experiments on kids.

Absolutely, and I think it’s also worth considering that the more esoteric goals of soul-control, psychic possession, energy-harvesting through violent sexual abuse and torture, and so on, may well precede those of ordinary mundane graft and greed which HeavenSwan wants to make the primary motivation for these power-abuses. The assumption there is that high-power rings of abuse are interested primarily in worldly power, and not in something “otherworldly.” I don’t agree with that assumption. Maybe it's true at the lower levels, but at the higher levels there seems to be a higher game being played, one that's closer to religiously or magically driven goals. This is what’s being indicated by all of these occult or “satanic” trappings. Some of the time they are being employed cynically as a means to discredit the witness or the story, for sure; but I can’t see it being all of the time.

There’s something else to consider here, which I wrote about recently:

If traumatized children grow up to be adults, and if they never address, integrate or heal their early experiences of abuse, there’s a good chance they will end up unconsciously acting those nightmare scenarios out: on their partners, their children, or on other people’s children.

They might have no memory of the actual events, or even of the waking nightmares they caused; but the feelings still trapped in the body would be agonizingly acute for them, and those feelings could drive them to act in whatever way was necessary to assuage them.

These traumatized people would not be reenacting what actually happened to them, but something more in line with their own subjective, nightmarish experiences. It could even take such a “theatrical” form as to include demons, gargoyles, dark robes, tunnels, dungeons, and all the other trappings of satanic ritual.

A few survivors do report experiences of disincarnate beings, but this intersects with religious belief, and so is far less straight forward than dealing with the mechanics of screen memory. It gets into the territory of telling people their religious beliefs are wrong.

I think how much we are able to see this genuinely “satanic” (otherworldly, occult, whatever) aspect of the programs of abuse comes down to how aware we are of this aspect of reality in our own lives, or, to be more neutral about it, how much we believe it is real. I don’t believe in demons, aliens, or angels, myself (though I used to), but I do believe in psychic fragments that have become semi-autonomous, so-called hungry ghosts, and in ancestral possession. I also believe that psychic energy is an actual, tangible thing that can be manipulated. I think that’s the real currency for these people, what they seek to harvest and how they attain power both worldly and other....

I know this can only confuse matters when trying to expose all-too-mundane (seeming) crimes, but let's face it, things are already plenty confused, and closing off avenues of inquiry or areas of evidence just because they don't fit into our preferred frame of reference is only going to work for so long.

[slomo]

Re: Twinks for Trump, etc,
Is Podesta gay? I know the restaurant owners are. I think this was touched on earlier by Slomo, but to get at the truth, looking at gay male culture would seem important.

I'd need to know more context for those two photos above. Who is the pro-Trump guy speaking with all those teenage boy pics in the background?

I do get a bit of a gay vibe from Tony Podesta (as much as one can get from a few photos), and he is reported in at least one news article to be friends with James Alefantis. Not that having a gay friend means that you are gay, but there is quite an age difference between the two of them so one wonders what the common interest is.

But, yes, there are elements of depravity in gay male culture. There are people who wear their "transgressive" behavior as a badge of honor.

Also, there is an ephebophile streak in gay male culture, I've certainly encountered it. Although I will also say that there is more complexity to it than meets the eye. One guy I met when I was a teenager, and remained friends with for quite some time, pretty much exclusively preferred teenagers (16 to, say, 22). One could say I was one of his "victims"; however, I never felt particularly abused or victimized, as he was a bit of a mentor to me and my impression was that he tended to be generous (financially) to some of the down-and-out teenagers with whom he had sex. None of it was coercive, although certainly it could be viewed as opportunistic (and in many cases probably mutually opportunistic). I always had the impression that his biggest victim was himself, as he seemed rather lonely, being incapable of having a romantic relationship with someone his own age.

[Elihu]

I think anyone who posts images of or close to child sex abuse should be banned forever. Thanks for banning him.
That's one reason why I don't want to go on voat. It's full of imagery that I do not want to see.

where are we at with the stefano stuff? a ban is different than a suspension.

respectfully suggest consideration of the quarterly 6 mo and one year suspensions...