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Re: Departure

Postby BrandonD » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:18 am

Hey guys, I popped in here because I am friends with Guruilla outside of this forum and he's been posting links to RI lately. Out of morbid curiosity, I came to this thread to see what the responses to my departure message were. I definitely did not expect such kind replies, I was very moved by all of your words :)

For those who asked the question why I left, over the years I developed the feeling that this forum was becoming more exclusively oriented towards politics and social activism. That is an area of interest for me, but because of the great deal of non-ordinary experiences I've had, my main interest is in high strangeness and pulling the thread on the "reality veil" (if I were to give it a name). My discussions of those subjects seemed to be increasingly met with dismissal or even derision, which led me to the impression that my type of thinking was becoming less welcome here.

But judging from your kind responses I must have been mistaken. I will be paying visits again, a much belated thanks to everyone.
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Re: Departure

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:19 am

It's really nice that you have come back Brandon especially because I was given the chance to reread this thread at this time.

There are still people here that will mercilessly beat up on someone because they have a different point of view than them for they are righteous and know it all. For them real time history of what is happening can not be posted here without being labeled as having that same point of view instead of what I am doing..... just recording what is happening in real time. And for them there is no room here for anything else but their opinion. Because this place is getting smaller that is getting more intense. But I have learned to live with it. I also have learned that I have done that in the past and have made amends in private to those people. I can not do that with people who will not accept me being here but that's ok.

I want to thank you for posting in my Palestine thread, that meant a lot to me. I miss you Brandon and I wish you would be a part of RI again. :lovehearts:


“Study me as much as you like, you will not know me,
for I differ in a hundred ways from what you see me to be.
Put yourself behind my eyes and see me as I see myself,
for I have chosen to dwell in a place you cannot see.”



The doctrine of Rumi advocates unending tolerance, unconditional charity, unlimited kindness, and deeply compassionate awareness of life through the visionary eyes of love, focused on the natural beauties of the environment. To him and his disciples, it seems that all religions are ultimately interested in the same goal because there is only one Creator — because God is One.

seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:43 am wrote:
Rumi: “Behind The Beauty Of The Moon Is The MoonMaker”
Jalal al Din Rumi

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Rumi’s eloquent relationship with the natural environment is his signature — his elegantly simple expressions reflect appreciation for both Creation and Creator. And there are so many lessons about both to be learned from this beloved Islamic Scholar, Sufi Master, and brilliantly shining star of timeless poetry:

“Is the sweetness of the cane sweeter
Than the One who made the canefield?

Behind the beauty of the moon is the MoonMaker.
There is Intelligence inside the ocean’s intelligence
Feeding our love like an invisible waterwheel.

There is a skill to making cooking oil from animal fat.
Consider now the knack that makes eyesight
From the shining jelly of your eyes. . .”
― Rumi, The Essential Rumi

The Enigmatic Life of Rumi, 1207 – 1273 CE

Mawlana Jalal al Din Muhammad Rumi was born in Balkh province, which is now the border region of Tajikistan and Afghanistan, where his father was an appointed scholar of Islam. In the time of Rumi’s birth, this area had only recently been conquered by Muslims from the Byzantine, or eastern Roman Empire, and was commonly known as “Rum,” a transliteration of the word “Rome.” People originating here were commonly called “Rumi,” meaning “Roman,” or citizen of Roman-controlled land. In Muslim countries, Jalal al Din is not generally nicknamed “Rumi,” rather he is more commonly known as “Mawlana,” meaning “our Guide,” or “our Master.”

Studying the life of Rumi is as enigmatic today as in his own lifetime. Clearly he was enigmatic to those around him, for Rumi writes about himself:

“Study me as much as you like, you will not know me,
for I differ in a hundred ways from what you see me to be.
Put yourself behind my eyes and see me as I see myself,
for I have chosen to dwell in a place you cannot see.”

“Truth Lifts the Heart, Like Water Refreshes Thirst.” ― Rumi

In the English speaking world Rumi is currently enjoying huge popularity. He was recently described by the BBC as the “Best-Selling Poet in The U.S.” His works were originally written in Persian and his “Mathnawi,” or “Masnavi,” is considered a crowning glory of the Persian language. Rumi’s writings are very popular internationally and have been widely translated into many of the world’s languages, as they enjoy a timeless influence transcending national and ethnic borders by singing in the language of the soul. His lyrical verses ring with the beauties of the Natural World, with Rumi’s uniquely profound sensitivity to the environment that God created for His creatures:

“Be like the sun for grace and mercy.
Be like the night to cover others’ faults.
Be like running water for generosity.
Be like death for rage and anger.
Be like the Earth for modesty.
Appear as you are.
Be as you appear.”

Rumi’s Early Immigration to the City of Love

When the Mongols invaded Central Asia sometime between 1215 and 1220 CE, Rumi’s father, Baha adDin Walad, with his family and band of disciples, set out westwards. On this journey it is believed that Rumi encountered one of the more famous mystic Persian poets, Attar, in the Persian city of Nishapur. This meeting had a lasting effect on Rumi, then eighteen, providing much inspiration for his works, as he mentions later in a poem,

“Attar has traversed the seven cities of Love / We are still at the turn of one street.”

From Nishapur, Baha adDin and his entourage traveled to Baghdad, meeting many of the Islamic scholars and Sufis of the city. From Baghdad they went to Hijaz and performed the pilgrimage at Mecca. The migrating caravan then passed through Damascus, continuing until finally settling in Karaman. In 1225, Rumi married Gowhar Khatun, producing two sons, Sultan Walad and Ala’ adDin Chalabi. Read how the natural environment clearly influences his poetic expression of marriage and childbirth:

“Each has to enter the nest made by the other imperfect bird.”

“Patience is not sitting and waiting, it is foreseeing.
It is looking at the thorn and seeing the rose,
Looking at the night and seeing the day.
Lovers are patient and know
That the moon needs time to become full.”

“This is what love does and continues to do.
It tastes like honey to adults and milk to children.”

When his wife died, Rumi remarried and had another son, Amir Alim Chalabi, and a daughter, Malakeh Khatun. There was perhaps no more profound experience suffered by Rumi than the loss of loved ones. This theme cycles and recycles through the life of this famous Sufi Master and accomplished Whirling Dervish.

“You think because you understand ‘one’ you must also understand ‘two,’
Because one and one make two. But you must also understand ‘and’.”

“I will soothe you and heal you,
I will bring you roses.
I too have been covered with thorns.”

Rumi’s Rise to Eminence Begins at Age 25

When Baha adDin died, Rumi, then twenty five, inherited his father’s position as the Islamic Molvi (Islamic teacher). Under Burhan adDin, a former student of Rumi’s father, Rumi practiced Sufism for nine years until Burhan adDin’s death. Rumi’s public life then began in earnest, becoming an Islamic Jurist, issuing judgements and giving sermons in surrounding mosques, while continuing to teach in his madrassa.

Rumi is an excellent Professor of the Natural World, teaching respect for nature by highlighting the wonders of the natural environment. Muslim scholars refer to nature as “the Book of the Universe,” and Islam teaches that this book is entrusted to humans to protect it. Humans must treat nature respectfully and lovingly, by preserving it, not wasting it, and studying it carefully as God’s Viceregents, to recognize and respect the Creator behind the creation. Rumi never allows his students, nor his readers, forget that the universe guides us to higher knowledge of our Creator and Sustainer:

“Little by little, wean yourself.
This is the gist of what I have to say.
From an embryo, whose nourishment comes in the blood,
Move to an infant drinking milk,
To a child on solid food,
To a searcher after wisdom,
To a hunter of more invisible game.

Think how it is to have a conversation with an embryo.
You might say, ‘The world outside is vast and intricate.
There are wheatfields and mountain passes,
And orchards in bloom.

At night there are millions of galaxies,
And in sunlight the beauty of friends dancing at a wedding.’

You ask the embryo why he, or she,
Stays cooped up in the dark with eyes closed.

Listen to the answer.

‘There is no ‘other world.’
I only know what I’ve experienced.
You must be hallucinating.’”

Rumi’s Final Companion Predicts the Fame of His Master’s Writings

Rumi’s scribe and favorite student, Hussam eChalabi, was the final companion in Rumi’s life. One day Hussam said to Rumi, “If you write a book like the Ilāhīnāma of Sanai or the Mantiq utTayr of Attar, it would become the companion of many troubadours. They would fill their hearts from your work and compose music to accompany it.” Smiling, Rumi showed Hussam a paper with the first eighteen lines of his Masnavi written on it:

“Listen to the reed and the tale it tells,
How it sings of separation…”

Delighted, Hussam begged Rumi to continue writing. Rumi spent the next twelve years in Anatolia dictating the six volumes of his profound masterwork, the Masnavi, to Hussam. To the end of his life, Rumi never left his deep love for the natural environment, always expressing his ideas through the use of graphically described images from nature to illustrate his message:

“With what work are you occupied,
And for what purpose are you purchased?
What sort of bird are you,
And with whose digestion are you eaten?
Pass up this shop of hagglers
And seek the shop of Abundance
Where God is the purchaser [Quran 9:111].
There Compassion has bought
The shabby goods no one else would look at.
With that Purchaser no base coin is rejected,
For making a profit is not the point.”

Rumi’s Doctrine of Unity
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Rumi died on December 17, 1273 in Konya; his body was buried beside his father, and the Green Tomb, today known as the Mevlâna Museum, was constructed over his burial place. His epitaph is inscribed:

“When we are dead, seek not our tomb in the earth, but find it in the hearts of men.”

Whirling Dervishes

Happily, the hearts of men still carry the essence of Mawlana Rumi. The 13th-century Mevlâna Mausoleum, with its mosque, dance hall for the religious whirling, dervish dormitories, school and tombs of leaders of the Mevlevi Order, continues today drawing pilgrims from all over the Muslim and non-Muslim world.

The doctrine of Rumi advocates unending tolerance, unconditional charity, unlimited kindness, and deeply compassionate awareness of life through the visionary eyes of love, focused on the natural beauties of the environment. To him and his disciples, it seems that all religions are ultimately interested in the same goal because there is only one Creator — because God is One.

“Every holy person seems to have a different doctrine and practice, but there’s really only one work.”

Looking with this visionary eye upon everyone equally, Rumi’s peaceful and tolerant teaching has appealed to people of all countries, sects, and creeds for over 800 years. However, his contemporary portrayal in the West usually stops there, well short of the fact that Rumi was first and foremost a devout Muslim. Rumi lived every moment of his life with his profoundly sensitive heart, soul, and conscience trained on the One True God as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (God’s Peace be upon him) in the Holy Quran:

“I am the servant of the Qur’an as long as I have life. I am the dust on the path of Muhammad, the Chosen One.”

“Behind The Beauty Of The Moon Is The MoonMaker” ― Rumi

Behind the beauty of the moon, the MoonMaker is always shining in the light of Rumi’s eyes, guiding him as he guides us through the Natural World, lighting our way as we follow in the footsteps of the Mawlana:

“God picks up the reed-flute world and blows.
Each note is a need coming through one of us,
A passion, a longing pain.
Remember the lips
Where the wind-breath originated,
And let your note be clear.
Don’t try to end it.
Be your note.”
― Rumi


and from Saurian Tail who I have not seen in awhile either


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGV_LveorAk

come and lose your breath again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKucPh9xHtM
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Re: Departure

Postby 82_28 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:27 pm

I will also say that it is good that you are back, BrandonD.
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Re: Departure

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:28 pm

Glad to see you've popped in for a visit, Brandon. I would like to learn more about your unusual experiences, as I've certainly had my share. (only if you feel like sharing)

Even close friends irl have arguments from time to time and no one enjoys being attacked, even if deserved.

One of the blessings of being cursed with alzheimer's is forgetting certain unpleasant interchanges, so I can't recall whether we ever argued any point.

I had forgotten you left RI!

I hope all has been well with you. Please do continue posting.

See! I forgot to include the best part:

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Re: Departure

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:03 pm

Thank you for coming back! And, please keep "pulling the thread on the 'reality veil'." It's need more than ever.
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Re: Departure

Postby PufPuf93 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:22 pm

Welcome back Brandon D.

Now I am going to have to find out (again as I have forgotten) about the "black moth super rainbow". edit aha a rock band!

I am all for more high weirdness and less politics at RI, granted there is major overlap on prime topics (9/11, pedophilia networks, public figures as agents aware or unaware, and so on).
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Re: Departure

Postby BrandonD » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:40 pm

Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:28 am wrote:Glad to see you've popped in for a visit, Brandon. I would like to learn more about your unusual experiences, as I've certainly had my share. (only if you feel like sharing)

Even close friends irl have arguments from time to time and no one enjoys being attacked, even if deserved.

One of the blessings of being cursed with alzheimer's is forgetting certain unpleasant interchanges, so I can't recall whether we ever argued any point.

I had forgotten you left RI!

I hope all has been well with you. Please do continue posting.

See! I forgot to include the best part:



I've actually shared several of them here in the past (but it was quite a while ago), such as my UFO encounter of a little over a year ago (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38077) and my ayahuasca experiences - over a decade ago, lest you suspect I was jumping on the bandwagon :wink - (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37517&p=542772&hilit=ayahuasca#p542772).

I may have also shared my anecdotes while being a member of some strange groups/cults and my experiences with a glowing-eyed family, I can't seem to find those but I will look further through my archives and if not then I will share with you guys.
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Re: Departure

Postby BrandonD » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:44 pm

seemslikeadream » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:19 am wrote:It's really nice that you have come back Brandon especially because I was given the chance to reread this thread at this time.

There are still people here that will mercilessly beat up on someone because they have a different point of view than them for they are righteous and know it all. For them real time history of what is happening can not be posted here without being labeled as having that same point of view instead of what I am doing..... just recording what is happening in real time. And for them there is no room here for anything else but their opinion. Because this place is getting smaller that is getting more intense. But I have learned to live with it. I also have learned that I have done that in the past and have made amends in private to those people. I can not do that with people who will not accept me being here but that's ok.

I want to thank you for posting in my Palestine thread, that meant a lot to me. I miss you Brandon and I wish you would be a part of RI again. :lovehearts:


Thank you for the poetry, sufism is always close to my heart.

I just went back and read that Palestine thread, I admire your dedication to being a counter-balance to some of the aggressive ideological proselytizing that would occasionally take place here. I hope that has eased up a bit, I guess I will find out soon!
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Re: Departure

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:02 pm

Thanks, Brandon. I haven't yet checked and don't know whether I read those threads, but regardless, I will now. Whether you locate those you've referred to that are in your archives or not, please do share them with us.

I've been binging X-Files for the past week or so. Foolishly, I began with this year's Season 10, then the 2008 movie, I want to believe and watched Season 9 before skipping to Season 1. I'm 3/4 through Season 3.

Now, on to reading those threads!
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Re: Departure

Postby Elvis » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:16 pm

Welcome back, Brandon. I left for awhile and just returned, too. Yours is one of the many names I'm glad to see here again!

Cheers
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Re: Departure

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:16 pm

Brandon, in your absence I posted a few videos you may be unfamiliar with here:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=613667#p613667

The Aurora project aircraft, also referred to as the TR-3B, have supposedly been airborne since the late 70s.

I'm not suggesting your this aircraft had anything to do with your UFO experience, but I do think many have misidentified it as a UFO.

from a goggle site search for TR-3B a few ufo threads (which I have not yet explored) covered this long ago, in 2006 and 2011.

Steven Greer and CSETI
June 10, 2006
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5685

Aurora UK overflight causes stir
June 25, 2006
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5703

Triangle video
March 7, 2011
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5765&start=45

Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?
August 18, 2011
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32737&start=105

What is this triangular shaped thing?
January 24, 2013
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35990

(The search engine brought me to the correct page, not necessarily the date the thread was initiated or linked to the OP.)

(I should check out the sub-fora once in a while)

UFOs and High Weirdness
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewforum.php?f=29

Btw, I recalled the story about your ayahuasca experiences, but not that they were yours. Same with your relating your UFO experience, too. Thanks for helping me sorta remember. I would still be lost without the links!
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Re: Departure

Postby guruilla » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:08 am

Hi Brandon; I'm glad to have helped to catalyze your return. There seem to be a few returning voices recently; perhaps a sea change's underway at year's end?
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: Departure

Postby BrandonD » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:56 pm

Iamwhomiam » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:16 pm wrote:Brandon, in your absence I posted a few videos you may be unfamiliar with here:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=613667#p613667

The Aurora project aircraft, also referred to as the TR-3B, have supposedly been airborne since the late 70s.

I'm not suggesting your this aircraft had anything to do with your UFO experience, but I do think many have misidentified it as a UFO.

from a goggle site search for TR-3B a few ufo threads (which I have not yet explored) covered this long ago, in 2006 and 2011.

Steven Greer and CSETI
June 10, 2006
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5685

Aurora UK overflight causes stir
June 25, 2006
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5703

Triangle video
March 7, 2011
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5765&start=45

Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?
August 18, 2011
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32737&start=105

What is this triangular shaped thing?
January 24, 2013
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35990

(The search engine brought me to the correct page, not necessarily the date the thread was initiated or linked to the OP.)

(I should check out the sub-fora once in a while)

UFOs and High Weirdness
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewforum.php?f=29

Btw, I recalled the story about your ayahuasca experiences, but not that they were yours. Same with your relating your UFO experience, too. Thanks for helping me sorta remember. I would still be lost without the links!


I'm going to guess that these UFOs were maybe only 500 feet off the ground, so they were pretty low. At that altitude, and considering that they were totally silent and yet so large and able to dart around and instantly stop and hover, I would really doubt that it was the Aurora I was seeing. My impression is that this was some sort of exotic technology, or perhaps in some way actual living things themselves (as their movement resembled the "conscious light" that I described in the ayahuasca accounts).

My impression is that these UFOs were specifically wanting to be seen. Not necessarily by me, but perhaps just by the cross section of the population that might be expected to notice them late at night on a Sunday.
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Re: Departure

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:14 pm

guruilla » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:08 am wrote:Hi Brandon; I'm glad to have helped to catalyze your return. There seem to be a few returning voices recently; perhaps a sea change's underway at year's end?

Perhaps the jellyfish are coming home to bloom.... :sun:
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Re: Departure

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:20 pm

I'm not doubting that what you saw was a UFO and not saying you mistook the Aurora for a UFO.

However, if you watch the TR-3B videos you will see that it can surround itself with a bright white plasma light that completely obscures its entire physical structure. Also, you would see it turn invisible as well as uncloak, becoming visible again before making a short hyper-speed jump and stops abruptly. Like mach 20 and instantly stopping. They are completely silent and operate on an anti-gravity (a misnomer) drive. Gravity distorting would be more accurate. The internal gravity field remains constant and is not effected by inertia. It can be operated mentally as well as physically.

I've lived on a high hill overlooking the Hudson River Valley for more than 25 years and I often observe the night sky. I look for UFOs all the time and feel unfortunate to not have seen another one since I was 8 or 10 years old. I used to want to go for a ride in one, but no longer do, due to all the horror stories told by abductees.

I wish I had a video camera with infra red filming capability to see at night what my eyes cannot.

These are not to be mistaken for 'orbs', though they often are.

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