What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

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Postby slomo » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:23 pm

For the record, I don't have a problem per se with sex or the occult in art. The issue is whether the art is meant to enlighten or darken our soul, understanding that catharsis can be a means for enlightenment. Nudity and sex as a subject of art can help draw us out into our spirit (and down into our body in an integrating way), or it can be pruriently used to divide our spirit from our body. Occult themes can be used manipulatively to imprison us, or else inspirationally to liberate us. For example, I would even categorize Crowley's Thoth Tarot as inspirational art, because the (obviously) occult-based themes are supposed to spiritually inspire the practitioner.

Many individual cases are ambiguous, and almost all of it is subjective, so it's not like I would support some kind of government-run Art Review Board. But I think when you see a concentration of art that seems to darken the soul, it's not wrong to call it out for (what you think) it is. In the case of de Dionyso, I actually kind of like a lot of his work, although I do think it is occult-themed, and it is more the juxtaposition of his art with of the other CPP-related stuff that makes me hard to accept it as uplifting. Could just be my own biases, tho.

To borrow a famous quote ... I don't know how to define Art, but I know it when I see it!
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:34 pm

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Donald J. Trump: Racist, Alleged Child Rapist, and President-Elect

by Ahmad Greene-Hayes

(11/28/16)


“Look at what they did to my sister! Last century, last week,” laments Jamila Woods in her newest album HEAVN. The neurotic cry of racial-sexual violence blares the silences and the white noise of both pre- and post-election America crush the ear gates of black and brown, queer, trans, and womyn Americans. A white nationalist, xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, and ableist man named Donald J. Trump is now president-elect of the United States. Among his many crimes and sins, however, one is often ignored even as it disturbs the mental and spiritual fortitudes and psyches of so many in our world.

Trump is an alleged child rapist, a harasser of women’s bodies and autonomies, and the contemporary manifestation of the Thomas Jeffersons, Klansmen, and white vigilante rapists of our American past and present. When he speaks, he conjures the sadistic imaginaries of racial-sexual terrorists and he lambasts survivors and marginalized folks with both boldness and might.

Without doubt, I am troubled by the realities that permeate our current political moment, but I am also not surprised. The American presidency, which emerged out of the colonial imaginary of white male domination, the pillaging of indigenous land and people, and the brutalization and enslavement of African bodies, is rooted in racial-sexual terrorism. In fact, there is no United States lest there is the rape and dehumanization of black and brown people.

And even as the American people bear witness to Donald Trump’s truth (or falsehood) as racist, alleged rapist, America—and white America specifically—allowed him to rise, like white Jesus, to the highest political office in the United States of America. Propped up by the religious right, white Evangelicals, and white people of all classes, Trump’s racist, alleged rapist identity was fortified by manipulation of scripture (i.e. “God has called Trump for such a time as this”), a neoliberal Democratic failure, the Clinton campaign’s elevation of Trump with its “pied piper” strategy, and the consistent inability for Democrats and Progressive politicians, to stand on the side of the oppressed. Indeed, after Trump’s election to the presidency, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren among many others have recommended giving Trump “an open mind.” But alas, so many of us cannot give an open mind to a racist, alleged rapist, and far more stand between life and death, or are already dead, murdered by racism and rape.

And even as racist, alleged rapist Trump disturbs us, we need not situate Hillary Clinton as a white savior able to rectify and dismantle the structural and tangible realities of racial-sexual terrorism. As I have previously argued, along with so many others, white women also perform white male acts of violence. Clinton was soon to re-do this work as President, even as she performed these acts as Secretary of State (Just look at her track record with black and brown women in Haiti and Honduras, for example. Or with incarcerated women on Rikers Island).

We should also pay attention to how so much of our political moment disregards children. Children don’t vote, but they will be devastatingly impacted by Trump, especially if he not only allegedly rapes children but deports them, calls them “illegals,” threatens to beat them up for saying that their black lives matter, or dehumanizes them for being gay or disabled or differently abled.

Even still, I am unwilling to put all blame for our collective mistreatment of children entirely on Trump.

After her painful defeat, Clinton gave a speech at the Children’s Defense Fund’s “Beat the Odds” Gala, in which she stated, “We have work to do, and for the sake of our children and our families and our country, I ask you to stay engaged, stay engaged on every level. We need you. America needs you, your energy, your ambition, your talent. That is how we get through this.”

And yet, many fail to recall that it was the Clintons who ended Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), a federal assistance program created by the Social Security Act (SSA) and administered by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that provided federal assistance to children whose families had low or no income.

The Clintons, then, gave an “open mind” to a Republican Congress, and again, our children suffered. Black and brown children suffered. So many poor folks suffered in ways comparable, but in no ways equivalent, to how Trump led a racist campaign against the Central Park Five (group of young black and brown boys) just seven years prior to the eradication of AFDC in 1996.

Indeed, our children have been handed a future that is not only dim, but its promise (or lack thereof) is stained by the blood of both America’s past and present, which blur as Democrats and Republicans teeter the same line of dishonesty, cowardice, and corruption.

The surprise, then, at Trump’s election by white liberals and the black and brown middle class functions as a reinscription of violence over and over again on the bodies of the most vulnerable: the poor; those who are queer and transgender; babies in Flint, Michigan; bedridden black grandmothers in the Lowcountry; and a host of others whose realities many of us never pay attention to, or we blatantly ignore, because of our class privileges and proximities to whiteness.


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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:14 pm

guruilla » 15 Dec 2016 06:37 wrote:Apparently John "Where's My Handkerchief?" Podesta started Tweeting again two days ago. Very apparently, he has been met with a Twitter-shitstorm of public response:

https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/ ... 7140609024

Also just saw this, McD's Christmas advertising scheme (just hope I don't get banned for posting):

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/ ... l-facebook

Not going to comment on this; will leave it to braver souls. :moresarcasm


So maccas just showing us how they "make" their food now?

Brave of them I must say.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:21 pm

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Postby norton ash » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:29 pm

^^^ Best conjecture I've heard so far. Can't think why else he would.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby Elvis » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:40 pm

another one to put in your "Russia-home-of-the-free-and-brave-peace-loving-victim-of-the-war-mongering-West-scrap-book".



I'm sure I've done it myself, but, with all respect, lately there's been a lot of re-framing and hyperbolizing of what other posters actually say. Can we all agree that this tactic doesn't belong in an earnest and rigorous discussion?


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Postby Elvis » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:43 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote:So maccas just showing us how they "make" their food now?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby brekin » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:16 pm

Jesus, its incredible how far this goes once you start doing some research.

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Postby Grizzly » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:18 pm

“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby guruilla » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:46 pm

slomo » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:23 pm wrote:For the record, I don't have a problem per se with sex or the occult in art. The issue is whether the art is meant to enlighten or darken our soul, understanding that catharsis can be a means for enlightenment. Nudity and sex as a subject of art can help draw us out into our spirit (and down into our body in an integrating way), or it can be pruriently used to divide our spirit from our body. Occult themes can be used manipulatively to imprison us, or else inspirationally to liberate us. For example, I would even categorize Crowley's Thoth Tarot as inspirational art, because the (obviously) occult-based themes are supposed to spiritually inspire the practitioner.

Many individual cases are ambiguous, and almost all of it is subjective, so it's not like I would support some kind of government-run Art Review Board. But I think when you see a concentration of art that seems to darken the soul, it's not wrong to call it out for (what you think) it is. In the case of de Dionyso, I actually kind of like a lot of his work, although I do think it is occult-themed, and it is more the juxtaposition of his art with of the other CPP-related stuff that makes me hard to accept it as uplifting. Could just be my own biases, tho.

To borrow a famous quote ... I don't know how to define Art, but I know it when I see it!

@slomo/PufPuf93:

I like Dionyso's artistic style too, and some of the pics.

I also like(d) Woody Allen movies and Leonard Cohen songs and the first couple of Bourne movies even tho I knew they were CIA-propaganda. At what point does knowledge of what's behind the "art" or inside the artist start to become more important than one's enjoyment of it? I haven't stopped enjoying movies & TV shows (just rewatched True Detective season one, enjoyed it a lot), but I've become a lot more consciously on the look out for manipulations, dissembling, concealment, cultural toxins which the work itself may be just a delivery device for, like cigarettes & nicotine. I respect the artistic process as much as I ever did, if and when it's clean; I respect artists & artists less and less though, because art, like therapy, can only be as good or as true as the human being doing it is willing to go all the way into their own unconscious and let what's there be seen.

Most art, including good art, is the opposite of this, IMO, more like glamor magic, a form of self-packaging for social acceptance, favors, admiration, or self-empowerment, and IMO that's what makes it usable by capitalism and useful as delivery device for the controlling narratives & values.

I trust someone like Kafka more because he wanted all his works burned on his death. I suspect the truest artists are the ones we never hear about.

It's not that I think every single popular or celebrated artwork or artist is part of the plot to culturally debase us; but I do know it'd be both naive and hubris to think I could discern the difference based only on my aesthetic responses.
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:03 am

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I'll be damned, I cannot locate an image of the curtained Statue of Justice. anyone? This will have to do, though truly out of context:

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Washington statue cover-up has left little to imagination
Naked truth about our nation's capital


By Calvin Woodward
The Associated Press
Monday, March 04, 2002

WASHINGTON — Some were mortified, others tickled, when a bare-chested statue of George Washington sat on Capitol Hill long ago, one arm outstretched, the other raised.

People joked that he was lunging for his clothes, on display at the Patent Office several blocks away.

Like that man of stone, some people at the Justice Department think no nudes is good nudes.

So they drew blue drapes over two scantily clad statues in the department's Great Hall. Now, Attorney General John Ashcroft can speak there without risk of a breast showing behind him on TV or in photos.

That cover-up has not done much to change the flesh tone in Washington, however. This is a city of many exposed rear ends, bare breasts, what's-the-point fig leaves and even no fig leaves at all.

From barely wrapped bronze ladies by the Memorial Bridge to the revealing discus thrower outside the State Department in Foggy Bottom, north to writhing nudes on the National Cathedral and east to the starkly immodest fountain figures outside the Library of Congress, the capital is quite the tease.

Susan Lineberry of Hampton, Va., remembers strolling past a nude Washington statue with her son, then 5, some years ago.

“My son looked at it and looked at me and said, "I see his butt.'”

“I said, "Well, Kevin, that's art. Often the human body is used as art because the lines and curves are pretty.'”

“And he said, "I still see his butt.'”

There's more. Outside the White House Cabinet Room, paces from the Oval Office, there is full frontal male nudity in the painting “A Flathead Chief and His Family.”

In the august chamber of the Supreme Court, reflective justices look upon the figure of a topless woman holding a mirror in one hand and a rose in the other. A robe is wrapped around her waist.

She represents Truth.

Even the U.S. Capitol, where art tends toward the tame, has an eye-popper or two.

A woman in nothing but a gown dropped to her waist looks out languidly from a wall of the committee room where House members carve up the budget.

This painting is called Good Government.

At the Library of Congress, the sizzling scene did not escape Billy Collins, America's poet laureate, who has an office there.

He wrote praying that Father Time, on the great clock inside, would set down his scythe and hourglass and check out the “two bare-breasted female figures who have always been there, waiting adoringly right by his side.”

Mr. Collins took poetic license; one lady is merely provocatively clothed, the other is spilling out of her dress.

But the library is lined with the unveiled and thinly veiled.

“They almost look like showgirls,” observed Capitol curator Barbara Wolanin. She said a committee in the late 1800s debated whether to allow nudity in the library's art and decided to go for it.

“They wanted it to be very classical and of course the nude figure is an important part of classical art.”

The George Washington statue was moved to the Smithsonian in 1908 and can be seen now in its American history museum.

The museum says people objected to the partial nudity when the statue resided at Congress.

There was no such outcry over the 12-foot, 6-inch aluminum Great Hall statues at the Justice Department — public art the public rarely got to see.

Still, drapes that had been occasionally rented for $2,000 per use were bought outright for $8,000 and have been left hanging.

Now, at the Justice Department, the female Spirit of Justice and male Majesty of Law are under indefinite wraps, her arms still raised in exultation, his left hand raised in tribute to the authority of God, all in prim privacy.

“That a government official would do something like that, it seems partly comical and partly tragic,” Arthur C. Danto, art critic of The Nation magazine, said in an interview. “I think it means we've reached a new stage in prudery,” said Arthur C. Danto, art critic of The Nation magazine.

Justice officials are so sensitive about the matter they stopped talking about it. They also denied permission for The Associated Press to film or photograph the public art in the building.

Earlier, a spokesman said the curtains make a nice TV backdrop and were hung “for aesthetics.”

In high-traffic places like Congress, Wolanin said, officials realize that citizens are not visiting an art gallery and don't expect to come across graphic material.

“When you look at it as pure art, it shouldn't be covered up,” she said. “But you have to look at it in the context of how people are using it.”

To be sure, nudes elsewhere in the Justice building are still in your face. Majesty's one exposed breast is screened off, but at least 32 others are not.

Many figures in Washington art represent social virtues and vices.

Above an entrance, there are three men wearing barely a stitch and a woman whose gown leaves her chest half exposed. Ms. Prosperity is gazing over and down at an underdressed Mr. Opportunity.

The nudity in that panel raised eyebrows in 1933, so sculptor C. Paul Jennewein added fig leaves to the men in his design.

The Commission of Fine Arts said that was nice, but “the fig leaves are not quite large enough.”

http://enquirer.com/editions/2002/03/04/loc_washington_statue.html

Oddly enough, Obama continued, even expanded the practice.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:12 am

Blue » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:56 pm wrote:You sure are a trip spreading a lot of nonsense around. Those are mittens on the McDonald's cup and someone drew some hands on it then sent it out like an attention whore. As far as art goes, there are thousands of paintings and sculptures from around the world since humans scribbled in caves that show nekid people. O.M.G.



Yup, it is indeed more of that #FAKE NEWS, sheeple.

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Is the Daily Mail gonna have to post a retraction? :lol: Nah, why should they bother. It's 2016, and anything goes. Truly, we are now deep into the Post-Real Era.

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Postby OP ED » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:48 am

To be Frank, I like all of my art with a bit of nudity and SATAN. I don't personally find the pictures of implied child exploitation to be fitting of my taste, but I can understand that there may well be avenues wherein such things are appropriate as either catharsis or elucidation. I certainly can't condemn the artist, as I don't feel that it is necessarily possible to know the full intent behind an image.

Personally I paint and draw for purely therapeutic reasons and I burn them when they're finished. With one exception, because my wife stole it years ago and she won't let me.

(I also used to create propaganda for radicals, but that's commercial and I don't qualify anything created for purely political or capitalist reason as art, but that's an opinion)
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:53 am

I have it on good authority John Podesta once ate at McDonalds.

Gun, smoking

Plus other stuff I'm not gonna share because people would then evaluate it critically.
But only because they're in love with Hillary Clinton.

This is Real, folks.

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Postby OP ED » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:58 am

BTW can anyone explain to me what happened to 4B. I am worried about him for myriad reasonings.
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