What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Joe Hillshoist]

Welcome back, 4B. I was concerned that you were gone for good.

Re: goatse art. Poor taste, likely artistic trolling, but hardly indicative of any thing more sinister than the general cultural debasement that's been happening for decades at least.

Is there anything more sinister than "the general cultural debasement that's been happening for decades at least"?

But yeah, I wouldn't put this down as a deliberate debaser, apart from the source and all; what's in the eye of the beholders, though?

Anything more left than the general cultural debasement??? Words program your brain you know.


When did this debasement start? When Blacks got the vote? Women? Men who don't hold property?

[OP ED]

Pizzagate being used to revive satanic panic propaganda, further silencing survivors.

Please stop feeding the pedo denialists.



http://www.snopes.com/the-pizzagate-survivor/

But, even from a "bigger picture" standpoint, this video is misleading, and does not show that children all over the world are being subjected to Satanic ritual abuse, in or out of a pizza parlor. This video was originally published in 1989, during an era where talk shows, the media, and the justice system were preoccupied — if not obsessed — with accusations of Satanic abuse.

While the "Satanic panic" of the 1980s resulted in numerous accusations and criminal trials, no evidence was ever uncovered connecting child abuse to Satanic rituals:

1. They eat whatever is in front of them. It would be like trying not to feed me.

2. Can you you think of a reason that isn't at least tangentially related to this topic that the HRC has abandoned her life long dream so quietly when it was tampered with and/or stolen so obviously? (she's otherwise so powerful)

(Because that's what makes me look at this twice)

[PufPuf93]

For the record, I don't have a problem per se with sex or the occult in art. The issue is whether the art is meant to enlighten or darken our soul, understanding that catharsis can be a means for enlightenment. Nudity and sex as a subject of art can help draw us out into our spirit (and down into our body in an integrating way), or it can be pruriently used to divide our spirit from our body. Occult themes can be used manipulatively to imprison us, or else inspirationally to liberate us. For example, I would even categorize Crowley's Thoth Tarot as inspirational art, because the (obviously) occult-based themes are supposed to spiritually inspire the practitioner.

Many individual cases are ambiguous, and almost all of it is subjective, so it's not like I would support some kind of government-run Art Review Board. But I think when you see a concentration of art that seems to darken the soul, it's not wrong to call it out for (what you think) it is. In the case of de Dionyso, I actually kind of like a lot of his work, although I do think it is occult-themed, and it is more the juxtaposition of his art with of the other CPP-related stuff that makes me hard to accept it as uplifting. Could just be my own biases, tho.

To borrow a famous quote ... I don't know how to define Art, but I know it when I see it!

@slomo/PufPuf93:

I like Dionyso's artistic style too, and some of the pics.

I also like(d) Woody Allen movies and Leonard Cohen songs and the first couple of Bourne movies even tho I knew they were CIA-propaganda. At what point does knowledge of what's behind the "art" or inside the artist start to become more important than one's enjoyment of it? I haven't stopped enjoying movies & TV shows (just rewatched True Detective season one, enjoyed it a lot), but I've become a lot more consciously on the look out for manipulations, dissembling, concealment, cultural toxins which the work itself may be just a delivery device for, like cigarettes & nicotine. I respect the artistic process as much as I ever did, if and when it's clean; I respect artists & artists less and less though, because art, like therapy, can only be as good or as true as the human being doing it is willing to go all the way into their own unconscious and let what's there be seen.

Most art, including good art, is the opposite of this, IMO, more like glamor magic, a form of self-packaging for social acceptance, favors, admiration, or self-empowerment, and IMO that's what makes it usable by capitalism and useful as delivery device for the controlling narratives & values.

I trust someone like Kafka more because he wanted all his works burned on his death. I suspect the truest artists are the ones we never hear about.

It's not that I think every single popular or celebrated artwork or artist is part of the plot to culturally debase us; but I do know it'd be both naive and hubris to think I could discern the difference based only on my aesthetic responses.

Thank you guruilla and slomo (and OP ED)

We are pretty much in agreement at core about art and I would wager likely have more of a tendency to appreciate art and the the process of art and art and culture than the average person.

[OP ED]

I totally disagree about Jason Bourne though. The only thing I found artistic about those films WAS the violence, which was beautifully choreographed. (Insofar as senseless murders can be)

I only add that because I don't like to be in agreement.

[PufPuf93]

I totally disagree about Jason Bourne though. The only thing I found artistic about those films WAS the violence, which was beautifully choreographed. (Insofar as senseless murders can be)

I only add that because I don't like to be in agreement.

I started to type that I do not particularly care for the art on Crowley's Thoth deck but didn't so as to not raise the specter. So I beg to disagree ... Your are welcome.

[OP ED]

I like some of the cards but probably not the bulk. They also work, so there's that, but form may not always follow function.

Or whatever. I had to buy new cards, because mine started mocking me.

[slomo]

I like some of the cards but probably not the bulk. They also work, so there's that, but form may not always follow function.

Or whatever. I had to buy new cards, because mine started mocking me.

I'll use Thoth for certain forms of meditation sometimes. But I prefer Ryder-Waite for divination (which I do only very very rarely). I know that's kind of vanilla of me, but you'd probably expect that by now.

[slomo]

It's true, though, certain decks treat you better than others. Ryder-Waite isn't very nice to me, which is why it's useful for divination. I have these fun rune cards for when I'm needy and want to be treated nicely.

[OP ED]

That's funny. I meant literally mocking, in that I get spreads that appear to reflect me asking something.

As far as divining, I don't mess with that much nowadays unless as a favor to someone else and that's easy enough to use even regular playing cards.

I don't even know how many decks I own now, I sort of collect them, so there are many. If I want perspective on a personal issue that suggests divination I usually just threaten Ouija.
Much more direct. Continual use seems to have the opposite effect on the board.

[FourthBase]

BTW can anyone explain to me what happened to 4B. I am worried about him for myriad reasonings.

Ask me anything. Directly. I am right here, bruh.

Now, let me ask you: Why? What the fuck are you talking about? Which reasonings. Explain in depth and detail and with total candor.

[OP ED]

I didn't understand where you went. Perhaps it's in this thread somewhere, but sometimes I come back and it's seven or eight pages longer. Hard to follow. Especially if one does other things occasionally.

[FourthBase]

[OP ED]

I don't know what that is

[FourthBase]

Your loss, lol.

[FourthBase]

p.s. How much do you envy my post count opportunities on the horizon?