What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Sweet Tooth]

>Sweet Tooth, literally nobody here is calling for censorship of art. Are you even serious with that angle?

And I literally never said anything about anybody here calling for censorship of art.

I think you should calm down. You're getting confused.

XO

[Sweet Tooth]

>Sweet Tooth, what are you using to access RI that's breaking all the code you quote?
>Are you browsing on a retro-fitted Amiga or something?

I noticed the same issue, so I have taken to editing any quoted text myself, with chevrons to indicate quotes, to cut down on confusion and visual mess.

Apologies!
XO

[tapitsbo]

I see a lot of attempts to confuse and steer this discussion somewhere very vague, but I don't feel confused about the basics.



It will be interesting to see where these threads go in the future as I'm not alone here in thinking this is all over and "debunked."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm


BBC video link re above story

This is fascinating. I can't wait to see the documentary.

PS - This is yer old pal Jerky. Sweet Tooth is my new nickname because I had to change for the new board. Just FYI!

Oh.

[Sweet Tooth]

>Overt signalling about child abuse is not a "dumb move" if it can
>be used to create an overwhelming climate of intimidation,
>impunity, confusion, and complicity.

How could a pizza restaurant logo be used to "create an overwhelming climate of intimidation, impunity, confusion, and complicity" in anyone, much less people who don't know what the logo is implying, which I would have to assume is about 99 percent of the generap population?

>In fact, it's quite familiar from the Savile case.

Now Besta Pizza = Jimmy Saville somehow? How do you figure?

>Literally nobody on this site is claiming outrage over the idea of homosexuality. It's literally all about a different topic.

And I literally neither alleged, nor implied, any such thing about people on this site.

XO

[tapitsbo]

The climate obviously doesn't come from just one logo, Jerky.

You know that a lot of pro-"pedophilia" (child abuse) accounts have been allowed to stay up with that logo by the same platforms that have censored the whole Pizzagate discussion?

The Savile case provided us with a lot to think about. Doesn't mean that overlapping and related figures are going to be identical to him.

[tapitsbo]

TL;DR - Pizzagate is debunked because Pizzagate was articulated by hysterical morons. The cultural phenomenon overtook any "investigation" before Trump was even elected.

Making a case before you know what you're looking at doesn't seem to be an effective means of raising awareness.

I get what you mean here, Wombaticus Rex, but a lot of topics that "morons" loved to hold forth on have turned to be more true or interesting than they might have appeared at first blush.

The history of this entire message board kinda attests to that.

As "moron" as I might be in the grand scheme of things, I'm not the only blind man involved with this elephant.

Has anything at all been elucidated with Pizzagate? Maybe.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I get what you mean here, Wombaticus Rex, but a lot of topics that "morons" loved to hold forth on have turned to be more true or interesting than they might have appeared at first blush.

You mean like that awesome Flat Earth thread we've got?

PIZZAGATE = "PODESTA EMAILS PROVE THAT HILLARY CLINTON RAPES AND MURDERS CHILDREN." That's what Pizzagate is.

Sure, there might be something else, something real, behind that wall of noise. And that, after all, is why this thread is still going -- and several others besides.

But when that something else becomes clear? How much resemblance do you think it would bear to what Alex Jones is currently trying to scrub from InfoWars? Would we even be talking about the same thing at that point?

[Sweet Tooth]

>The climate obviously doesn't come from just one logo, Jerky.

Well, I think it's pretty clear that I was referring to the use of the logo, and only the use of the logo, as being the "dumb move" in question. Your objection therefore makes no sense.

>You know that a lot of pro-"pedophilia" (child abuse) accounts have been allowed
>to stay up with that logo by the same platforms that have censored the whole
>Pizzagate discussion?

Not sure what you're saying, here, or how it relates to Besta Pizza being pulled into this mess.

>The Savile case provided us with a lot to think about.
>Doesn't mean that overlapping and related figures are
>going to be identical to him.

Savile sure did provide people with a lot to think about. Unfortunately, many are using his crimes as an excuse to stop thinking altogether.

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[tapitsbo]

I hear you, Wombat, but there are some some interesting things going on here besides the lossy artefact you cite in caps lock. I'll disengage for now but I'm looking forward to the further contributions that I intuit will trickle in from others.

Jerky let's make a pact to remain calm together, the both of us, to breathe. OK?

[Sweet Tooth]

>Jerky let's make a pact to remain calm together, the both of us, to breathe. OK?

Agreed.

I am also disengaging from PG at this point, so it's a good time to do this.

)Virtua-bro-hug(

XO

[Harvey]

Interesting to re-read this now.

I'd be obliged and fascinated to know what interested you here: The Conspiratainment Complex.



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[guruilla]

Hats off to tapitsbo for keeping alight the last tiny flicker of reason at this forum thread.

With Pizzagate I don't see a lot of debunking, actually. More like deflection - attempts to evade and avoid scrutiny of the materials so far gathered and anything further yet to be dredged up.

Yes, a seemingly endless dirge of denials, deflections, & dissemblings, a few loose & sweeping theories, and a consistent avoidance of most or all of the more cogent arguments being made. It's a bit like RI has turned into CTR.

It's insane that some in this thread are so concerned about the probable false flag "gunman" actor who didn't hurt anyone

so much more concerned than about everyone the clintons appear to personally have had murdered (like seth rich)

....
i don't understand the energy this board is putting into covering for these scumbags given how merciless you all have been with many other powerful people

It's worth thinking about. There are several possibilities, including, to be comprehensive, that you & I, Nordic, 4B, coffindodger, and several other posters have all jumped the cognitive shark without knowing it and are being rudely dragged back to reason. That's the really scary possibility. The rest are just creepy & depressing.

These people are flamboyantly, openly involved in some "very spooky shit" as kool maudit put it earlier in the thread.

All sorts of people are no doubt involved in these sorts of crimes but very few are giving a public wink and nod to them.

What is the media blitz about Pizzagate (fake news and all the rest of that crap) other than a wink and a nod?

Yep; it's actually a rare and golden opportunity: we are seeing glamor magic/perception management in action by its effects.

I think the main effort at this board is to bombard the discussion with derision & denial relentlessly enough that it inspires, or obliges, mimesis. It's basically bullying aimed to intimidate those who are merely questioning either into ceasing to do so & siding with the deniers (with their rather sad excuses for debunking), or double and triple down and start defending positions that we don't actually hold.

If every attempt to say "Look at this" is met with a "Nothing to see here, grow the fuck up," the temptation is to TELL people what they should be seeing, overstate it, hyperbolize it out of all reasonable meaning, and so confirm the bias of the bullies and earn our whupping.

Pizzagate undoubtedly contains a weaponized component, but so do a lot of these stories and ideas. We all have our own investments in the conflict over our reality. The importance and nature of "truth" to that investment varies depending on your perspective

Discussion of the Clintons, Bushes, Kissinger, royal families, and associates need not be Manichean, in fact it had better not be if we are to rise above Icke/Jones style conspiratainment.

It's hard to deny that these figures play an important SYMBOLIC, one might almost say "magical" role that differentiates them from the run of the mill "elite"

The MSM is full of talk of armed retaliation against anyone who questions their narratives on subjects like Pizzagate. I'd be more worried about that than a bunch of hot air from people who have a track record of hardly ever doing anything...

All good points.

My guess as to why so much energy and denial is going into this topic here & elsewhere is that it is simply too close to home. At least one poster has even eaten at CPP, but even without such concrete examples of the familiarity of the hunting ground, this is no longer an attempt to scrutinize the predations of the elite but to see how the culture of totems & taboos, of control and permissiveness, created by these same elite has now fully and utterly owned us. People will fight to defend that culture until they have sufficiently extricated themselves from it, at a deeper emotional, psychological, energetic level.

The rubber of conspiracy theory just met the road of cultural reality, so right now, yeah, there's a whole lot of yelling & barfing going on.

Speaking of which:

PS - This is yer old pal Jerky.

& here was I thinking we had a new satirist in our midst.

Jerky was banned for one month, on Dec 8. Just to be clear, if I ever get banned from RI, all I need is to create another ID & carry on posting?

[Elvis]

Consider making it six months for this sneaky circumvention of his suspension.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I'd be obliged and fascinated to know what interested you here: The Conspiratainment Complex.

This transient advert from the site indicates a confused demographic.

I agree with Harvey, this "Brainsturbator" web blog site seems like typical right-wing hysteria posing as faux-scholarly informed concern. We'd be better off with less of that crap being posted here, thank you.

Jerky was banned for one month, on Dec 8. Just to be clear, if I ever get banned from RI, all I need is to create another ID & carry on posting?

Uh...morally or technically? Because technically...

Thanks for pointing that out, I will now engage in the whack-a-mole pastime of suspending a socket puppet. But, strictly in a law enforcement capacity, I would advise interested parties & potential perps to create your backup account before you get the one month suspension. That hick sheriff they got here will never see it coming.

[FourthBase]

Hats off to tapitsbo for keeping alight the last tiny flicker of reason at this forum thread.

With Pizzagate I don't see a lot of debunking, actually. More like deflection - attempts to evade and avoid scrutiny of the materials so far gathered and anything further yet to be dredged up.

Yes, a seemingly endless dirge of denials, deflections, & dissemblings, a few loose & sweeping theories, and a consistent avoidance of most or all of the more cogent arguments being made. It's a bit like RI has turned into CTR.

It's insane that some in this thread are so concerned about the probable false flag "gunman" actor who didn't hurt anyone

so much more concerned than about everyone the clintons appear to personally have had murdered (like seth rich)

....
i don't understand the energy this board is putting into covering for these scumbags given how merciless you all have been with many other powerful people

It's worth thinking about. There are several possibilities, including, to be comprehensive, that you & I, Nordic, 4B, coffindodger, and several other posters have all jumped the cognitive shark without knowing it and are being rudely dragged back to reason. That's the really scary possibility. The rest are just creepy & depressing.

These people are flamboyantly, openly involved in some "very spooky shit" as kool maudit put it earlier in the thread.

All sorts of people are no doubt involved in these sorts of crimes but very few are giving a public wink and nod to them.

What is the media blitz about Pizzagate (fake news and all the rest of that crap) other than a wink and a nod?

Yep; it's actually a rare and golden opportunity: we are seeing glamor magic/perception management in action by its effects.

I think the main effort at this board is to bombard the discussion with derision & denial relentlessly enough that it inspires, or obliges, mimesis. It's basically bullying aimed to intimidate those who are merely questioning either into ceasing to do so & siding with the deniers (with their rather sad excuses for debunking), or double and triple down and start defending positions that we don't actually hold.

If every attempt to say "Look at this" is met with a "Nothing to see here, grow the fuck up," the temptation is to TELL people what they should be seeing, overstate it, hyperbolize it out of all reasonable meaning, and so confirm the bias of the bullies and earn our whupping.

Pizzagate undoubtedly contains a weaponized component, but so do a lot of these stories and ideas. We all have our own investments in the conflict over our reality. The importance and nature of "truth" to that investment varies depending on your perspective

Discussion of the Clintons, Bushes, Kissinger, royal families, and associates need not be Manichean, in fact it had better not be if we are to rise above Icke/Jones style conspiratainment.

It's hard to deny that these figures play an important SYMBOLIC, one might almost say "magical" role that differentiates them from the run of the mill "elite"

The MSM is full of talk of armed retaliation against anyone who questions their narratives on subjects like Pizzagate. I'd be more worried about that than a bunch of hot air from people who have a track record of hardly ever doing anything...

All good points.

My guess as to why so much energy and denial is going into this topic here & elsewhere is that it is simply too close to home. At least one poster has even eaten at CPP, but even without such concrete examples of the familiarity of the hunting ground, this is no longer an attempt to scrutinize the predations of the elite but to see how the culture of totems & taboos, of control and permissiveness, created by these same elite has now fully and utterly owned us. People will fight to defend that culture until they have sufficiently extricated themselves from it, at a deeper emotional, psychological, energetic level.

The rubber of conspiracy theory just met the road of cultural reality, so right now, yeah, there's a whole lot of yelling & barfing going on.

Speaking of which:

PS - This is yer old pal Jerky.

& here was I thinking we had a new satirist in our midst.

Jerky was banned for one month, on Dec 8. Just to be clear, if I ever get banned from RI, all I need is to create another ID & carry on posting?

Agree 100%, more or less.