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Novem5er » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:49 pm wrote:There are parts of Christianity that mesh very well with Buddhism (my religious-philosophy of choice), but other parts of it are in direct contrast when they start tying things back to the Old Testament.
“The doctrine of original sin, properly understood is optimistic. It does not teach that man is by nature evil, but that evil in him is unnatural, a disorder, a sin.”
‘Buddhism and Biblical Christianity agree in their view of man's present condition. Both are aware that man is somehow not in his right relation to the world and to the things in it … they see that man bears in himself a mysterious tendency to falsify that relation. This falsification is what Buddhists call Avidya, usually translated [as] "ignorance"… Christianity attributes this view of man and of reality to "original sin".
‘The story of the Fall tells us in mythical language that "original sin" is not simply a stigma arbitrarily making good pleasures seem guilty, but a basic inauthenticity, a kind of predisposition to bad faith in our understanding of ourselves and the world.’
-- Thomas Merton, "Nirvana" Zen and the Birds of Appetite (1968)

Pope Benedict XVI has expressed serious concerns regarding the appropriateness of approaches such as Merton’s. In fact he predicted that Buddhism, with its "autoerotic" type of spirituality, would replace Marxism as the principle antagonist of the Catholic faith, for the very non-dualist ideas it espouses deny the Christian belief in a Creator who is separate from His creation. The transcendence that Zen Buddhism offers is one of non-distinction, a state free from, as Benedict notes, the imposition of religious obligations. In the end, to turn to the ideas of Zen is to turn away from any need for a personal savior. We save ourselves in Buddhism, but only Christ saves in Christianity.
-- Catholic Answers Magazine: Can You Trust Thomas Merton?
At the center of our being is a point of nothingness which is untouched by sin and by illusion, a point of pure truth, a point or spark which belongs entirely to God, which is never at our disposal, from which God disposes of our lives, which is inaccessible to the fantasies of our own mind or the brutalities of our own will. This little point of nothingness and of absolute poverty is the pure glory of God in us. It is so to speak His name written in us, as our poverty, as our indigence, as our dependence, as our sonship. It is like a pure diamond, blazing with the invisible light of heaven. It is in everybody, and if we could see it we would see these billions of points of light coming together in the face and blaze of a sun that would make all the darkness and cruelty of life vanish completely ... I have no program for this seeing. It is only given. But the gate of heaven is every- where.”
-- Thomas Merton, Conjectures of a Guilty Bystander (1966)

The idea of the messiah – the anointed one who’ll save us from our bad choices – Harris defines as being an extension of what he calls “cargo cults“: the belief of undeveloped cultures that the goods brought by imperialist colonizers are a sort of “salvation.” The most dedicated practitioners of messiah cultism were, of course, the Hebrew and Christian cultures of the period of Roman occupation of Palestine. The interesting – for Harris, especially – and noteworthy characteristic of Jewish messianic belief is that their messiahs are military in nature – in other words, the traditional ecology of their homeland must be restored by war (see the Tsembaga mentioned above) – since Roman (and other, earlier, we should note) conquest has changed that ecology (and hence restored it from, for example, Egyptian or Babylonian conquest). In fact, Harris argues that the rise of Jesus Christ as a “prince of peace” – a new kind of messiah – coincides with the destruction of Jerusalem and the final decimation of Jewish resistance to Roman domination.
In a similar way, Harris argues that the offering of scapegoats as focuses for cultural anger – and Harris offers the most well known example, the witch – by dominant cultural forces (since the rise of witch persecution came in the Middle Ages, these would be hereditary nobility and the now dominant and, in its own way, imperialistic Catholic Church) which allowed both of these ruling classes to escape punishment for their lack of concern for the plight of “those who work” (I use this term because of its suggestion of the “three orders” of society as discussed by Georges Duby, among others). If the problems and struggles of a culture where one group did all labor to support the other two groups could be explained away as the result of “bad magic” which could be fixed by burning alive or otherwise committing genocide on the old, the mentally disturbed, ethnic “outsiders,” or women, then everyone could live together happily – except for those murdered for the sake of defusing societal discontent, of course.
Harris ends his book (published in 1974) with a few choice barbs aimed at what was then known as the “counter-culture” (what we now think of most often as the New Age movement). His point that time spent rehabilitating witchcraft and/or expecting a “harmonic convergence” or some other sort of “cosmic salvation” could be better spent addressing world culture’s real economic and social inequities is well taken. One wishes only that he’d updated his work to address issues such as fundamentalist religion’s rise and other – as Marshall McLuhan termed them – “rear view” cultural movements.
First, Harris tackles the Messiah complex by showing that Jews around the time of Jesus waged near-constant guerrilla warfare against their Roman rulers and oppressors. Perhaps half a million people died, in probably hundreds of Jewish uprisings, all led by religious insurgents called Messiahs. Whether Jesus was one of these revolutionary warriors is disputed, but Harris argues that the concept of the “peaceful messiah” only gained prominence later during Roman backlash, as a way to distinguish between the “harmless” Christians and the rebellious Jews. Finally, when Christianity had become the official religion of the Roman Empire, its emphasis shifted once more to be compatible with evangelizing the largest military on Earth as it colonized the Mediterranean and killed insurgents.
Christianity would come full circle and provide the ideological backing for revolutionary movements against the dominant social order of Europe during the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries. At the time feudalism was in crisis and huge peasant movements like the Anabaptists, led by messiah-like zealots, were gaining large followings against their noble and clergy overlords. These Christian messiahs called for breaking up large land estates and providing for the poor masses, who were suffering from unnecessary poverty and disease. The threatened defenders of Church and State needed to cook up some kind of distraction that would divide the population, while authorizing to executions of revolutionary leaders (who were mostly female).
Witchcraft fit the bill nicely. With the Pope’s approval, the accusation, torture, and execution of hundreds of thousands of “witches” effectively disrupted the enormous peasant movements and brought legitimacy to the forces of law and order. Harris explains, “The clergy and nobility emerged as the great protectors of mankind against an enemy who was omnipresent but difficult to detect. Here at last was a reason to pay tithes and obey the tax collector.”
If this crackdown on an invented evil parallels the spectre of “terrorism” today and the war on anti-American Islamist movements, then perhaps Marvin Harris’ effort to explain the seemingly insoluble mysteries of distant cultures can also come full circle to help us make sense of our own society. If Washington is the new Rome, then who are the new messiahs? Or, in a secular sense, who are the people concerned for the poor majority that suffers unnecessarily in our own time?
Paul Verhoeven has Jesus Christ on the brain lately. Of course he does: he wrote a book about the religious figure, "Jesus of Nazareth." The filmmaker paid a visit to the newsroom last week to chat with MTV's Josh Horowitz about the book, and he discussed some surprising parallel's between the Biblical story of Christ and his classic 1987 film, "RoboCop." "The point of 'RoboCop,' of course, is it is a Christ story," Verhoeven said. "It is about a guy that gets crucified after 50 minutes, then is resurrected in the next 50 minutes and then is like the super-cop of the world, but is also a Jesus figure as he walks over water at the end."
It's actually not such a far-fetched idea when you think about it. RoboCop (Peter Weller) is a sort of resurrected human who was horribly abused before his death. I don't know if I'd characterize him as the son of God, and he metes out justice with a bit more prejudice than the real Jesus might have... but that's also part of the director's message.Back to the water-walking in the final scene. "It was [shot in] an abandoned steel factory in Pittsburgh and there was water there. I put something just underneath the water so [Weller] could walk over the water and say this wonderful line... 'I am not arresting you anymore.' Meaning, 'I'm going to shoot you.' And that is of course the American Jesus."





divideandconquer » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:56 am wrote:Jesus Christ is either the Lord, a liar, or a lunatic. I don't think there is any in-between.
His exclusive claims to be the Son of God, His teachings on the Kingdom, the miracles He performed, and His death and resurrection distinguish Him from all leaders that preceded Him as well as the ones to follow. You either believe this or you must believe He's a crackpot, right? I mean, anyone who goes around preaching that he's God, the savior, better be prepared to prove it. Apparently, He did just that because we're still discussing Him 2,000 years later.
Undoubtedly, He is the single, most influential person of all time. He's the most respected and worshiped as well as the most hated and criticized, bar none. More secular or non-Christian historians have written about Him than any other single person in human history. There are more historical evidences of His existence than any other historical figure of ancient times, yet, at the same time, there are more challenges. Today, most secular schools ban the mention of His name, despite this historical evidence.
Here's the problem, in my humble opinion, that which is sacred cannot be explained by that which is secular. You can't separate the Jesus of faith from the Jesus of history because it will never make sense, hence, the reason schools do not teach about Jesus and the reason secular society can't seem to fit Him in.
PufPuf93 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:42 pm wrote:I have stated elsewhere at RI that perhaps humankind needs a new religion and implied that such a religion would entail a better relation between other life and the environment of Planet Earth.
Go out there and be a star.
Harvey » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:53 pm wrote:PufPuf93 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:42 pm wrote:I have stated elsewhere at RI that perhaps humankind needs a new religion and implied that such a religion would entail a better relation between other life and the environment of Planet Earth.
We already have innumerable iterations, look around, they didn't work. If God is the word and words can lie then...
Bottom Line, Brad Pitt and David Beckham are Christ as much as anyone today. Who do you actually defer to? That, I would argue through a complex process, is a straight line to God. Develop better heroes and heroines.
Since its inception, Christianity has always been a missionary religion and is still expanding to new geographical areas till today. As early as the first century A.D. Christianity spread outside Palestine to different people groups and cultures. While Apostle Paul and other missionaries were converting the Greeks, Romans etc in the west, there was equally a great movement of Christianity to the east- Edessa, Persia, Arabia, Central Asia, China and India. In the Eastward movement of Christianity, Apostle Thomas was the central figure. A number of places in the East can associate their Christian origin with the Apostle Thomas and his companions. Just as Apostle Paul is a great Apostle to the West so is Apostle Thomas to the East.
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The Acts of the Apostles records the presence of different racial groups in the day of the Pentecost in Jerusalem, and further gave a hint of a possible conversion from among these groups, and in all possibility spread their newfound faith in their respective countries. The gospel spread beyond the territories of the Roman Empire as Christian missionaries found their way eastward to Mesopotamia, Persia, Media, Bactria, Parthia, Armenia, India, Egypt and North Africa etc. Early records have shown that as early as A.D. 180 Christians were spread throughout the provinces of the Roman Empire and in Mesopotamia. Antioch became a stronghold of Hellenistic Christianity since the time of the apostles themselves. It continued to be a prominent Christian centre for many more centuries. Furthermore, Edessa, which lies in the east of Antioch, too became the most important Christian centre and the chief nucleus of Syriac speaking Christians of Syria. Christianity is believed to have spread throughout Egypt from Alexandria, its chief city.
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It is believed that North Africa, which produces some of the most important Church Fathers in the history of Christianity in the later centuries, too received Christianity from the East, with whom the region had traditional commercial contacts.
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Like the other countries of the East, other Asian countries like Persia, India, Arabia and China too attributed their Christian root to the apostolic mission of Apostle Thomas.
“But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?” [1 John 3:17 KJV]

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