What is #Pizzagate?

[tapitsbo]

And if I did point the posts I"m thinking of some possible responses would be:

"anyone can accuse anyone of anything"
"you're using the suffering of others for a witch hunt"
"we acknowledge the permanent establishment must be full of people involved in trauma based mind control and child sexual abuse but that has absolutely nothing to do with pizzagate"

and so on...

one recent post spoke of endless conversations with survivors that keep coming back to the same names... names that supposedly can't be easily named publically since they lead to people getting murdered or disbelieved.

which interests me in particular because of the claim "there are no survivors" of this hidden-in-plain sight stuff that has been dissected and delved into on this board for years (the broader context has been at least)

in any case since there's no real "getting to the bottom" of this rabbit hole by blaming it on a handful of individuals (who very well may have committed all sorts of crimes but have done so as part of something much vaster, older, and deeper) I'm more interested in how it's processed as it moves from unconscious to conscious knowledge and back again, collectively, and these threads have been very illuminating in that record

[Burnt Hill]

If you guys have been following along then we should be on the same page on this one. I wasn't the one who made the claims originally, are you guys denying they're there?

No, you are being asked to point to the information that substantiates your statement.
So that those of us who may have missed it, don't remember it, or misremember it, can review it.

If you missed anything, how about you scour the 90 page WH?I? thread from start to finish, just like everyone else has to do. You are not special, you do not deserve an endless reiteration of the basics handed on a platter to you.

In other words you have no real argument and demand I accept your interpretation of events.

[tapitsbo]

He's asking you not to feign ignorance of central parts of the discussion.

I'm not aware that he's settled on an "interpretation of events", frankly.

That's how it looks to me.

[FourthBase]

If you guys have been following along then we should be on the same page on this one. I wasn't the one who made the claims originally, are you guys denying they're there?

No, you are being asked to point to the information that substantiates your statement.
So that those of us who may have missed it, don't remember it, or misremember it, can review it.

If you missed anything, how about you scour the 90 page WH?I? thread from start to finish, just like everyone else has to do. You are not special, you do not deserve an endless reiteration of the basics handed on a platter to you.

In other words you have no real argument and demand I accept your interpretation of events.

Burnt Hill, you are either extremely lazy and entitled, which is lame, or...worse.

[Burnt Hill]

"There's allegations by survivors in the threads on RI alone let alone elsewhere... survivors of abuse by people in the Pizzagate orbit"

This is the statement that is in question at the moment.
I don't believe the substantiation is in the pg threads.
I don't necessarily disagree with the statement.
I would simply like the person making the statement to point to the evidence that provoked this statement.
That's part of the process when investigating anything.

Perhaps it is in the meaning of orbit.

*fixed my bold

[tapitsbo]

Of course it's unsubstantiated - have at the "substantiation process" I guess, guys

[Burnt Hill]

Of course it's unsubstantiated - have at the "substantiation process" I guess, guys

Well to use a "Macism", then you are a liar.

[brekin]

"There's allegations by survivors in the threads on RI alone let alone elsewhere... survivors of abuse by people in the Pizzagate orbit"

This is the statement that is in question at the moment.
I don't believe the substantiation is in the pg threads.
I don't necessarily disagree with the statement.
I would simply like the person making the statement to point to the evidence that provoked this statement.
That's part of the process when investigating anything.

Perhaps it is in the meaning of orbit.

Really? I thought one of the issues was that there was no survivor testimony.
Maybe, that is what you are implying?
Of course the Sweeney Todd maneuver of baking away tthe evidence into "meat pies" may come into play here.
Which would explain the pizzeria angle.
Just being pragmatic as to how Hilary could have personally chopped up and eaten the children.
The oven in her gingerbread house doesn't seem up to the task.

[liminalOyster]

I think BH means the substantiation of your statement that there are allegations on this board made by survivors of "pizzagate?" You seem to responded have as if he/she were asking for substantiation of survivor allegations themselves.

I'm genuinely not following this - if they're here somewhere and you want others to be more receptive (which I know I would be if there were actual people claiming to have been affected), why wouldn't you direct to them?

Or were you just referring to Epstein/Hastert as being in the "orbit" of Podesta?

[Burnt Hill]

"There's allegations by survivors in the threads on RI alone let alone elsewhere... survivors of abuse by people in the Pizzagate orbit"

This is the statement that is in question at the moment.
I don't believe the substantiation is in the pg threads.
I don't necessarily disagree with the statement.
I would simply like the person making the statement to point to the evidence that provoked this statement.
That's part of the process when investigating anything.

Perhaps it is in the meaning of orbit.

Really? I thought one of the issues was that there was no survivor testimony.
Maybe, that is what you are implying?
Of course the Sweeney Todd maneuver of baking away tthe evidence into "meat pies" may come into play here.
Which would explain the pizzeria angle.
Just being pragmatic as to how Hilary could have personally chopped up and eaten the children.
The oven in her gingerbread house doesn't seem up to the task.

Improper formatting.
The bolded quote is not mine.
I am questioning it.
But I fear they want my my voice silenced, or worse.

[brekin]

"There's allegations by survivors in the threads on RI alone let alone elsewhere... survivors of abuse by people in the Pizzagate orbit"

This is the statement that is in question at the moment.
I don't believe the substantiation is in the pg threads.
I don't necessarily disagree with the statement.
I would simply like the person making the statement to point to the evidence that provoked this statement.
That's part of the process when investigating anything.

Perhaps it is in the meaning of orbit.

Really? I thought one of the issues was that there was no survivor testimony.
Maybe, that is what you are implying?
Of course the Sweeney Todd maneuver of baking away tthe evidence into "meat pies" may come into play here.
Which would explain the pizzeria angle.
Just being pragmatic as to how Hilary could have personally chopped up and eaten the children.
The oven in her gingerbread house doesn't seem up to the task.

Improper formatting.
The bolded quote is not mine.
I am questioning it.
But I fear they want my my voice silenced, or worse.

Stay strong brother!
Don't let the bastards grind you down...into pepperoni.

[Burnt Hill]

[Burnt Hill]

Of course it's unsubstantiated - have at the "substantiation process" I guess, guys

Well to use a "Macism", then you are a liar.

I apologize for that.
I don't think you are a liar tapisbo.
Just a communication breakdown between us.
At the very least you have been willing to have a conversation,
and that is a sign of a good person

[tapitsbo]

Alright, alright, the request again and again has been for testimony. Any testimony is going to be unsubstantiated to begin with.

This is the dynamic guruilla has been referring to.

Worth keeping in mind during "flaps" like pizzagate.

Obviously tons of claims have been made about "untouchable" figures around the world, certainly tons about the permanent establishment in the anglosphere.

They can't all be true, but we know from the bigger picture that's been assembled that many unsavoury activities are going on among these people and their associates.

Of course a lot of people who investigate past a certain point are killed or framed.

Just think of the Elvis impersonator who was framed as attempting to assassinate the president after he tried investigating organ trafficking at the hospital he worked at.

Apparently the threat of such reprisals is a joke to some of you? Hopefully out of weariness...

Immediate derisive dismissal of related material, as with Pizzagate, is paradigmatic of the state of mind we collectively have in relation to these topics at present - in my opinion.

A lot of you are trying to fit these phenomena into a formula that isn't really getting us anywhere, is the way I see it.

[Burnt Hill]

Yes but testimony with circumstantial evidence might get you a warrant.
That's why it is important to sift through the chaff.
What's left is possibly real evidence.
We don't have either here.