What is #Pizzagate?

[tapitsbo]

It's funny how "fake news" and "hate speech" rhyme when we catalogue blasphemies. you're talking about extremely contentious notions here.

I think the deployment of the "fake news" label is bald faced Orwellianism. I think suggesting gay culture is maybe a Trojan horse for organized abuse or just some normalization of pedophilia is hate speech, a designation not without merits when it's speakers are unwilling to engage the concerns of others. FWIW I don't think hate speech should be banned. And government has very little business judging the validity of independent media.

contrived, inaccurate, and full of distracting buzzwords ... misapplied tropes ... 9/11

Examples of where you see any of these things in what I've posted would be helpful. A bit less aggression would be nice too.

I would never want to reduce gay culture to a Trojan horse, for the record. I don't think anyone here wants to do this.

[brainpanhandler]

I'm pretty sure you've nailed the crux of the whole conspiracy with this image.

Well, I have to admit the candle is suspiciously placed.

[guruilla]

There is absolutely no reason for one of the most powerful people in DC to have a strip mall pizza restaurant

What in the fuck are you even talking about, though have some semblance of perspective on what you're saying.

5037 Connecticut Ave NW isn't a "strip mall," man. The internet exists, the fact you've never been to DC shouldn't be a handicap here.

I am wondering what in the fuck is going on here, that with all the material that's being raised, Wombat makes one of his rare appearances simply to attack D & C (quoting a comment by Nordic) over the use of the term "strip mall" to describe a row of connected restaurants?

A strip mall (also called a shopping plaza, shopping center, or mini-mall) is an open-air shopping mall where the stores are arranged in a row, with a sidewalk in front.

CPP strip-malll(not!).jpg

I mean, why would the Mod take the time out to berate someone over such an extraordinarily minor semantic detail?

Something was "off" on this thread even before the accusations of "hate speech" started getting thrown around, a tactic BTW that is so shamelessly transparent as to be self-incriminating to anyone with the eyes to see it for what it actually is.

For the record, all culture is a Trojan Horse. But if people don't do their homework, they will always rely on ideology to do their thinking for them. Why? Because they just keep on inviting the Trojans in. It's painful to watch. I'm just glad their are a lot more eyes on the board than there are pieces with mouths.

[tapitsbo]

AOC your thoughts on child pornography immediately bring to mind the brief Twittergate episode where in the wake of Pizzagate Twitter suspended accounts for pointing out how they host a massive child pornography network hidden in plain sight.

Bottom line for me with Pizzagate is there's a mountain of weirdness around all these players and people have gotten killed for looking into it.

There's obvious overlap between the different cases and "scandals".

Mindful that there's no getting to the bottom of it I'm convinced something highly unpleasant is going on here and these "flaps" are not just smears made up out of thin air. My apologies for aggression I've displayed here

and guruilla, as far as eyes on the board go don't forget the love affair google's spider bot supposedly has with this place. It may be more desertified than it seems, despite the prominent return of key old-timers.

and while we're talking geography, the proximity of the crossroads near CPP and neighbours to a road named "Nebraska" is an interesting given the sustained interest this board has expressed in Omaha

There's also the C.H.I.L.D. centre located at a degree of geometrical symmetry with CPP.

[guruilla]

and guruilla, as far as eyes on the board go don't forget the love affair google's spider bot supposedly has with this place. It may be more desertified than it seems, despite the prominent return of key old-timers.

I personally know of quite a few people who follow these threads because they let me know. I wasn't referring to page views.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I mean, why would the Mod take the time out to berate someone over such an extraordinarily minor semantic detail?

Obviously because he's an asshole. That news to you, bud?

Sure, the detail that irritated me was both minor and semantic, but I'm also right.

It's still not a strip mall. Strip malls have parking lots. That photograph is 100% urban commercial zoning, complete with open air dining.

Something was "off" on this thread even before the accusations of "hate speech" started getting thrown around, a tactic BTW that is so shamelessly transparent as to be self-incriminating to anyone with the eyes to see it for what it actually is.

As for your assertion that I'm part of the ongoing conspiracy to silence your heroic investigative work, yeah, nah.

It's not a tactic.

It's a bonus feature, a reflection of how uniquely suited I am to be the last sucker on the job.

Also, it's inevitable: I think this is the third, possibly the fourth, time I've been accused of some shit like this in 2016. If I was getting paid to give a shit about any of you, I'd have a podcast by now.

[guruilla]

This just in. As yet unverified for authenticity.



http://archive.is/IDBh5

https://twitter.com/RudolphGiuliani

This now goes to "Account Suspended"

[Wombaticus Rex]

This is the account I've been seeing RT'd and screencapped through the campaign: https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani

It's not verified either, though.

[82_28]

HOLY FUCKING LOOKING GLASS!

I don't believe gulliani (I don't give a fuck how his name is spelled) can write like that and pull from pontificating, esoteric sources. Somebody wrote it for him, if it is not "fake news" itself.

[barracuda]

This just in.

Disinformation.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm definitely praying for Rudy. He seems different since Trump kicked him to the curb. Sadder, perhaps. More introspective.

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[Luther Blissett]

If your neo-nazi friends come for the venues, studios, or homes of any of my friends, tell them I will throw them in the river.

‘Alt-Right’ Trolls Are Targeting DC’s DIY Music Houses
Residents of the District's underground venues are on guard after being identified on extremist message boards.

The Washington area has a long and mostly proud tradition of houses that lend themselves as venues for up-and-coming bands. But in the last few days, some residents of those houses have become guarded after discovering their homes’ names and addresses targeted in online message boards populated by members of the white nationalist movement known as the “alt-right.”
Sites like 4chan and Reddit, along with even more unfiltered corners of the internet, have seen the emergence of threads in which users encourage each other to post addresses of houses that host concerts and other arts programming around the country, and to call local authorities to report safety and building-code violations in hopes of getting the venues shut down.
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“These places are open hotbeds of liberal radicalism and degeneracy and now YOU can stop them by reporting all such places you may be or may become aware of to the authorities, specifically the local fire marshel [sic],” reads the original post on a 4chan thread that has since been archived. “Watch them and follow them to their hives. Infiltrate social circles, go to parties/events, record evidence, and report it. We’ve got them on the run but now we must crush their nests before they can regroup! MAGA my brothers and happy hunting!”
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And there’s a clear path from the virulent, anti-minority rhetoric the alt-right promoted during the election to this campaign against DIY spaces. The venues are described as “flophouses,” with their residents denounced as “squatters,” “degenerates,” and a variety of racial and sexual slurs. The users promoting the threads also refer to themselves as “Right Wing Safety Squads.” The “Pepe the Frog” cartoon character that had already been appropriated by racist internet users makes frequent appearances too—an image posted in Reddit’s alt-right section features the frog wearing a firefighter’s helmet stamped with the “SS” logo used by the Nazi regime’s paramilitary wing, in front of what appears to be a flag-waving punk fan locked inside a concentration-camp shower.
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“Our house and specific address was posted,” says a resident of one of the houses mentioned.
The resident declined to give his name out of concern for his personal safety after discovering his home on the list. “I knew about the threads because I knew they were trying to shut down houses around the country,” he says. “Then I heard we were mentioned.”
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But Comet is an established business that sells tickets to its shows and has legal options to push back against its antagonists. House-show venues are not, as a rule, commercial enterprises (Rhizome is a legal nonprofit). People go to hear new bands, bring their own beer, and hopefully throw a few bucks in the jar to help the performers cover their gas money.
What might change very soon, though, is that these underground venues will go back to announcing their shows more through word-of-mouth than the internet. Already, the DIY-house resident Washingtonian spoke with says he’s seeing far fewer Facebook notices for house shows list the actual addresses on the page, and some houses are considering getting off social media entirely.

[BrandonD]

And yet some of us here know for a fact that the gay subculture overlaps in countless ways with sadomasochism, pedophilia, and every other squalid vice (unsanctioned paraphilia) we can imagine. It just does, and if we want to pretend it doesn’t because of our chosen value set, then we’ve just joined the ranks of useful idiots enabling the evils of the elite.

That is not entirely accurate IMO, and the degree that the statement above is true is 100% equivalent to the degree that homosexuality has been demonized in our society.

As a DJ in one of the more heavily-concentrated gay areas of the country, I talk with many gay people every week, and what I see are people exactly like straight people, with the one difference being that they are deeply wounded and/or afraid because they feel a huge portion of society hates them and thinks they are inherently evil.

One way some gay people deal with this wounding is to own this "evil" label that has been forced upon them. To wear it like a badge of honor. This certainly has the potential to lead down dark paths, but it originates from their treatment by society, and not by homosexuality itself.

A good corollary would be the "goth" subculture, which has the same social demonization and the exact same overlap with all those sexual deviances that you mentioned (this subculture is very prominent in my city as well), and yet the goth subculture is just as much composed of heterosexuals as homosexuals. The common denominator here is the shunning and demonization by "decent" society, from my perspective that is the element that contributes to harmful sexual deviances and other such things.

This is just my point of view, but it is informed as a straight person involved as an outsider in both of the subcultures mentioned here. From my experience, gays are on the whole exactly as moral and decent as straight people and it seems inaccurate to portray them in the above manner.

[guruilla]

As for your assertion that I'm part of the ongoing conspiracy to silence your heroic investigative work, yeah, nah.

It's not a tactic.

It's a bonus feature, a reflection of how uniquely suited I am to be the last sucker on the job.

It's true that I have been doing some inferring lately, but I'm generally pretty careful with words. So if I'd wanted to infer that you were part of an ongoing conspiracy I'd probably have chosen a stronger word than "off." I was actually aiming for something subtler, maybe along the lines of, I dunno, Getting ornery & nitpicking over a semantic descriptive detail in the midst of an obviously fraught discussion (in the light of some of the behaviors at the board being ignored) kind of suggests, to me, that you have some resistance/opposition to the subject being discussed. Add to that that, as Moderator/last sucker for the job, chastising someone over a detail when they are trying to get to the bottom of #Pizzagate (as something other than right-wing fuel for hate-speech) could have the effect of signalling to others already inclined to take that position that this is, in fact, the approved line. This is the "ongoing conspiracy to silence ... investigative work" which I am referring to, not (necessarily) as a conscious agenda but as a trend. That's all.

This just in.

Disinformation.

Case closed. Phew. Stand-up job, dude.

[guruilla]

And yet some of us here know for a fact that the gay subculture overlaps in countless ways with sadomasochism, pedophilia, and every other squalid vice (unsanctioned paraphilia) we can imagine. It just does, and if we want to pretend it doesn’t because of our chosen value set, then we’ve just joined the ranks of useful idiots enabling the evils of the elite.

That is not entirely accurate IMO, and the degree that the statement above is true is 100% equivalent to the degree that homosexuality has been demonized in our society.

Agreed.

The taboo creates the subculture and the shame creates the distortion. My point was a purely social one, that the gay subculture overlaps with these others ones (fact), and precisely because, as you pointed out, homosexuality was forced underground (or at least congruent with that happening). I wasn't addressing the roots of homosexuality or the inherent nature of it, as paraphillia or not. That's something I've done elsewhere & I wouldn't even attempt it at RI.

This was also why I was clear about the need to separate homosexuality as a sexual orientation/practice and as a culture, or subculture. Look, I am just as disturbed by heterosexual subcultures, and superculture, as you already know, because you've followed my output. But the focus here was on gay culture in regard to CPP, Alefantis, Brock, Amanda Kleinman, et al. People seriously want to dismiss their behaviors because it's "just part of the gay/drag cultural norms." Well OK, if it is, then let's look more diligently at those norms.

One way some gay people deal with this wounding is to own this "evil" label that has been forced upon them. To wear it like a badge of honor. This certainly has the potential to lead down dark paths, but it originates from their treatment by society, and not by homosexuality itself.

Sure, tho your assumption is that homosexuality itself, at least as the modern social identity construct, does not originate from society or from society's treatment of individuals. I don't think that's clear.

A good corollary would be the "goth" subculture, which has the same social demonization and the exact same overlap with all those sexual deviances that you mentioned (this subculture is very prominent in my city as well), and yet the goth subculture is just as much composed of heterosexuals as homosexuals. The common denominator here is the shunning and demonization by "decent" society, from my perspective that is the element that contributes to harmful sexual deviances and other such things.

And to what extent has Goth culture organically emerged as a reaction against (negative identification with) society, as you call it? And to what extent has Goth culture been knowingly seeded, shaped, engineered as a "shoe horn" for soft and eventually hard trends like "Satanism," with all the accompanying values and practices? And is there a difference? (Since negative identity is a traumatic reaction to social oppression.) At least some Goths end up taking their "soft rebellion" all the way to occultism, and from there to blood drinking, animal sacrifices, and all-out pathological behaviors, Transgression is cool, so the greatest transgressions = the greatest cool. This doesn't mean all Goths are dangerous, even potentially. But it does mean that Goth culture, like drug culture, is an inherently "slippery slope." It has been formed with hooks and snares, just as occultism has.

From my experience, gays are on the whole exactly as moral and decent as straight people and it seems inaccurate to portray them in the above manner.

It would be, if I had. But I didn't. You extrapolated. Hopefully the above clarifies things, and thanks for posting. As I wrote to Elvis, a friendly challenge makes up for a hundred blind condemnations.

[barracuda]

Case closed. Phew. Stand-up job, dude.

That's a fake account. But hey - go get 'em, tiger.

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