What is #Pizzagate?

[guruilla]

A Guru walks into a pizza shop and asks the man behind the counter to make him one with everything.

And the guy behind the counter pulled out an AR-15 and shot the Guru to death.

...what the fuck is this, precisely?

Unusual black humor from Iamwhomiam.

(I sure wouldn't want to be a moderator--thanks Wombat!)

I get it now; it's actually pretty funny; with or without the homage a moi.

[guruilla]

I'm pretty sure you've nailed the crux of the whole conspiracy with this image.

Well, I have to admit the candle is suspiciously placed.

Also, the napkin on the far left is folded in a way that it looks like underpants - which is what I mistook it for at first glance.

That makes three details within this image that could be interpreted as sexual signally: the candle/penis; oysters/vulva; and the napkin/underpants.

Also, the way the knife is poised ready to enter the "slot" in the meat. Sexual subliminals in advertising is nothing new, but at the very least it suggests that the clumsy, makeshift style of this image is illusory.

I watched a video last night that addresses the question Plutonia & slomo addressed a while back, the disproportionate number of missing children in the Washington, DC area. Slomo's stats have VA's rates of missing children (the numbers adjusted into percentage of population) as twice as high as the next highest, Oklahoma. This video has the numbers as three times as high, and, unless I am reading the numbers wrong, as almost 20% (one-fifth) of total number of missing kids in the US.

Stats:

missing-kids-stats.jpg

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XOZqri ... e=youtu.be


Sometimes the key is where the light is. . . .

[Joe Hillshoist]

:threadhijacked:

This thread is about "pizzagate", not guruilla, yet every other post dissects him as if he's a lab rat.

1. Guruilla claims there is more to pizzagate than what the media acknowledges
2. Guruilla is not always politically correct
Therefore, pizzagate is nothing more than what the media acknowledges it is

1. D&C claims there is more to pizzagate than what the media acknowledges
2. D&C is a asshole moron who doesn't even know what a strip mall is.
Therefore, pizzagate is nothing more than what the media acknowledges it is

Rigorous intuition at it's best.

Don't be silly.

Guru is just pissing on the board by free associating whatever he doesn't like with whatever potential nastiness he can come up with.

If he actually made some effort to be self critical of his ideas and build an intelligent argument that supported his ideas I wouldn't give a shit. He is not doing that at all. Where is the rigor.

Not within 1500 km of what he types that is for sure.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Also, the way the knife is poised ready to enter the "slot" in the meat. Sexual subliminals in advertising is nothing new, but at the very least it suggests that the clumsy, makeshift style of this image is illusory.

That says more about you than it does about anything else. Anyone who sees a machete cutting a piece of steak and thinks sex is fucked in the head. If that is what you are thinking when you see that get some bloody help.

missing-kids-stats.jpg

One actual data point.

Therefore the comet pizza shop is a trafficking hub.

"I don't know therefore aliens."

[Joe Hillshoist]

Surely "gay culture" is not defined in opposition to well, anything. It is it's own thing.
It doesnt need the Flying Spaghetti Monster of Patriarchy.

When I was an adult (and I'm pretty sure I'm about 10 years younger than you iirc) it was illegal for gay men to have sex in Tasmania.

In 2004 the law in Australia was changed to specify that any marriage had to be between a man and a woman. Previously there was no specification of the sex of the people being married. But a bunch of Christians lobbied the govt of the time and the law was changed. So about 10 years ago the Flying Spag monster of Patriarchy decided gay people didn't deserve the same rights as straight people. BFD You might think, but a good friend of mine killed herself because of this law. Well because of depression but part of what made her depression worse was the realisation she could no longer marry another good friend of mine who is still alive and still grieving for her dead lover.

I dunno maybe she should have sculled a glass of cement and hardened the fuck up.

[Heaven Swan]

Guruilla wrote:
And really, who cares about what Snopes or Wash-Po are saying at this point? No one with even a modicum of awareness takes these sources seriously anymore.

Sounds like you're falling prey to Alex Jones type propaganda Guruilla. A lot of the articles on Wash-Po, NYTimes, etc are fact-checked and there is valuable information to be gleaned. The key is learning to sniff out biases and read in a careful and critical way.

I for one am starting to be MUCH more careful when I read the conspiracy researchers seeing how so many started out sounding reasonable and then slowly descended into full-on fascism. Maybe RI needs to do more research and analysis on how conspiracy narratives are being used big-time to sway and manipulate people's legitimate suspicions about deck-stacking, etc.

Pizzagate has become tedious and (has always been) toxic. I'm not wasting another minute on Pizzagate. What you think is people wanting to shut down debate is probably that they don't want to waste anymore valuable time on a pursuit that is not just senseless and absurd but damaging in so many ways, especially to survivors.

First of all I don't know you and don't know enough about you to determine such a thing. Actually apart from being a Trump supporter (are you?) you seem like someone that if I knew you in life I would probably like hanging out with.

Guruilla wrote:
Thanks, but personally, I like hanging out with people who pay attention to what I am saying. You clearly don't or you wouldn't ask if was a Trump supporter. Ye gods.

Actions speak louder than words. IOW If you don't want people to think you're a racist don't march down the street with the Ku Kux Klan.

I took a look at your blog. Nice writing but your talent is wasted defending that crowd of nazi-sympathizers. Face it Guruilla, it's bad karma. Besides they'll chew you up and spit you out.

You say you're a survivor. Have you considered putting your healing first, then writing about your healing process with some reflections on politics and the state of the world? It would be much more grounded and honest, and possibly truly helpful to other survivors,

[elfismiles]

Ugh ... six pages into this thread and I've seen nothing even approaching an attempt to explain wtf pg is all about.

Guess I'm gonna hafta click every link at that gd voat "Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence"

[Heaven Swan]

Ugh ... six pages into this thread and I've seen nothing even approaching an attempt to explain wtf pg is all about.

Guess I'm gonna hafta click every link at that gd voat "Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence"

Good luck on that!

[guruilla]

Actions speak louder than words. IOW If you don't want people to think you're a racist don't march down the street with the Ku Kux Klan.

I took a look at your blog. Nice writing but your talent is wasted defending that crowd of nazi-sympathizers. Face it Guruilla, it's bad karma. Besides they'll chew you up and spit you out.

You say you're a survivor. Have you considered putting your healing first, then writing about your healing process with some reflections on politics and the state of the world? It would be much more grounded and honest, and possibly truly helpful to other survivors

Heaven Swan now on Ignore.

I wish people could address the evidence or shut the fuck up. FYI HS, personal attacks ~ which includes, or at least should include, care trolling ~ are against RI rules, FWIW.

Returning to topic, some interesting thoughts from reddit site, via one of my Nazi sympathizing blog commenters.

More than anything, the public's response to the content found for CPP is a strong gauge of where society is at right now when it comes to their moral compass in regards to such things.

What we are seeing in part is the pervasive effects of the ideology that the only thing that is wrong, is to call something wrong. Or more specifically, we are seeing many people who look at sexualized content (primarily through symbolism that is established by the suspects, themselves) of children, and having the reaction of, "Well it would be wrong of us to judge this," but not, "It is wrong to promote the sexualization of children."

We are also seeing a blatant demonstration of how fear of the elites plays into the moral convictions (or lack thereof) of the masses. For example, if this sort of content was found in such abundance at some random pizza place in the middle of some random city with no political influence, as has happened before* but with even far less circumstantial evidence, then the reaction of the masses is much different. But when powerful political figures are involved, many people suddenly lose all manner of logic and virtue.

While there is an abundance of suspicious shit that has been found either directly or indirectly related to the suspected individuals, the underlying issue being played out right now is, again, a gauge of where our society stands when it comes to this sort of thing. The ruling elites are watching.
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"People usually try to veil it, if that helps you to identify it when you see it. They're not going to come right out and say, "It's wrong of us to judge people for sexualizing children," because then they would look blatantly bad. Instead it is usually along the lines of, "These people may have some weird stuff on their instagrams, but that doesn't mean they are guilty of anything." That weird stuff is imagery and jokes sexualizing children, and they are guilty of creating and promoting it. Ethically guilty."

* http://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog ... hy-charges

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... they_know/

[OP ED]

We tell dead baby jokes at work.

[Plutonia]

It's for the agreements we are supposed to maintain here at Rigorous Intuition: against racist/fascist organizing, promoting hatred of oppressed groups, etc. (I don't suppose anyone here has a problem with any of that, or at least admit so). Also for "No Nazi" policies in pirate radio and other alternative media, etc.

Speaking of sub-cultural incubators of Trojan licentious transgressivity ....

Jimmy Savile's crimes are rooted in pirate radio
John Peel was allowed to run a 'schoolgirl of the year' competition on his late night show

Five years ago, Richard Curtis made a film called The Boat That Rocked about the pirate radio stations that broadcast pop music to the UK in the 1960s from ships moored offshore. Unusually for Curtis, the film was a box-office flop despite an ensemble cast which included Philip Seymour Hoffman, Bill Nighy and Rhys Ifans. At the time I thought the project was wrong-headed, presenting an uncritical view of a pop culture which was sexually predatory and fuelled by testosterone. Against the background of the latest revelations about Jimmy Savile, its infatuation with the sexual antics of 1960s DJs is even harder to comprehend.

After last week's shocking reports, commentators are asking how on earth Savile gained access to vulnerable patients in a series of National Health Service hospitals. The naivety of hospital bosses in allowing this creepy narcissist to roam their corridors unchecked is breathtaking, but it is a story which goes back to the beginning of celebrity culture in the 1960s. Savile's only "qualification" to work in the NHS was the fame suddenly attaching to DJs who had access to the biggest names in pop music. He first worked for the BBC in 1964, when he presented the very first edition of Top of the Pops; footage from 1976 shows him committing a brazen assault on a young female member of the ToTP audience while they were on camera.

The BBC's bemused involvement with pop culture accelerated in 1967 when the Labour government closed down pirate radio and demanded the corporation set up Radio 1 to fill the gap. This was the moment when the BBC, which had previously been sniffy about pop music, embraced a phenomenon it had neither anticipated nor understood. Savile did not work on offshore pirate stations, coming to Radio 1 a year later from Radio Luxembourg, but many of the DJs who launched the new BBC station did.

In this all-male environment – there were no women among them until Annie Nightingale joined in 1970 – sexist attitudes were commonplace, which the BBC did nothing to challenge. It even allowed John Peel, who arrived at Radio 1 from pirate station Radio London, to run a "schoolgirl of the year" competition on his late-night show.

Did the BBC know nothing about the predatory atmosphere on the ships where so many of its new stars had been employed? Here is former Radio 1 DJ Johnnie Walker describing how women were treated on Radio Caroline, widely believed to have been the model used for The Boat That Rocked: "So girls used to come to the ship and we'd tie their boat alongside and we used to get the engineer to take their boyfriends to look round the transmitters … and we'd take them downstairs to the cabins." Peel put his finger on the BBC's failure to think about what it might be importing when he recalled how he got his own job: "I was one of the first lot on Radio 1 and I think it was mainly because … Radio 1 had no real idea what they were doing so they had to take people off the pirate ships."

If Peel were still alive, it is hard to believe that he would not be a person of interest to Operation Yewtree, the police investigation into Savile and others. In 1965, when he was in his late twenties and working on a radio station in Dallas, Peel married a 15-year-old girl; the marriage was legal in Texas but would have broken the law in other American states. Later, he boasted in interviews about teenage girls in the US queuing to offer sex to their favourite DJs, making the distasteful claim that one of his "regulars" was just 13. Shortly after the Savile scandal broke, a British woman claimed that she became pregnant by Peel in 1969 at the age of 15 after having sex with him in his BBC studio.

Others of Peel's former colleagues at Radio 1 have attracted the attention of Operation Yewtree. One of the station's original DJs, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was convicted years ago, and suspicion continues to hang over others, who again cannot be named for legal reasons. This is not to make presumptions about the guilt or innocence of individuals in any trial that may yet take place. It is about an abrupt cultural shift in the 1960s, when the rules governing sexual conduct were relaxed in a way which gave unparalleled licence to well-known men. Feminists have understood this for years: under-age sex was just as much a criminal offence in 1968, when the Rolling Stones fantasised about having sex with a 15-year-old girl in "Stray Cat Blues", as it is in 2014.

For a time, however, one stuffy British institution after another fell under the spell of men who had made their names in the brash new entertainment industry. It all began at the BBC, which opened doors elsewhere – hospitals, the police, even Downing Street – for Savile. This weekend his offending in the NHS is rightly in the spotlight, but the corporation bears a heavy responsibility for the monster it created.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 70462.html

[Burnt Hill]

We tell dead baby jokes at work.

Diagnosis - Ethically Guilty.
Rule Out - Fear of the Elite.

[Joe Hillshoist]

We tell dead baby jokes at work.

What's red and gets smaller?

[82_28]

Perhaps writing about it in the way he does, is in fact part of this "healing". None of us are to say. To me, what he divulges of his personal business and experiences, simply make him a whole person.

[82_28]

Perhaps writing about it in the way he does, is in fact part of this "healing". None of us are to say. To me, what he divulges of his personal business and experiences, simply make him a whole person.

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