What is #Pizzagate?

[elfismiles]

Thank you for the heads-up HS. This could be good.

^^^^^

Yes, you can listen to WBAI on the internet, both Live and Archived.

Go to the page I linked to. In the upper left hand corner click on Menu and you'll find options for Listen Live and Archives.

[Cordelia]

^^^^ This looks highly worthwhile, hopefully one can listen online (I'll try to record it).

P.S. It seems that 'Franklin' is a solid starting point for study; there are still names to be named and stories to be told, "dots" that could further connect Franklin to D.C. & other "power centers"—including who knows? DNC/CAP? DOJ/FBI? even CPP? and so on.

Reminded too of the December 1986 high profile Washington pedophilia case that was quickly buried. The Finders have been written about extensively on RI, but posting here also seems appropriate. I remember the press this story received before it suddenly disappeared.

INQUIRY SPREADS ON 6 CHILDREN AND CULT

By RICHARD HALLORAN, Special to the New York Times

Published: February 8, 1987

WASHINGTON, Feb. 7— Police officials here said today that six disheveled children found in Tallahassee, Fla., might be the offspring of members of a little-known cult, but the officials said they had not ruled out the possibility of kidnapping.

Police officials in Tallahassee said today that the children were moved from a shelter because of telephoned threats received there, The Associated Press reported.

Capt. William White 3d, a spokesman for the District of Columbia Police Department, said, ''At this point, it appears that those children are the children of members of this group.'' He was referring to members of a cult known as the Finders, who have occupied at least two buildings here.

But Captain White added, ''We haven't ruled out any possibilities.'' Children Found in Florida

He declined to speculate on what the possibilities might be but other police officials said they included kidnapping or some type of international market for children.

The children, two girls and four boys 2 to 7 years old, were discovered in a Tallahassee playground on Thursday. Two men, Douglas Edward Zimmerman, 27 years old, and Michael Houlihan, 28, were arrested in the case and charged with child abuse.

Subsequently, the police here obtained warrants to search a house in Northwest Washington and a warehouse in Northeast Washington, both believed to have been occupied by the Finders. Captain White said they had seized boxes of records, documents and computer programs.

''We have a very long, tedious process of reviewing this material ahead of us,'' the captain said.

Detectives in the investigation said the review would require the weekend at least. The detectives said that they had begun to doubt that child pornography was involved. However, he said that the evidence indicated that children were involved in rituals. They declined to comment on reports that the Finders were worshipers of the devil.

Continued.......
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/08/us/in ... -cult.html

Dave McGowan's more extensive follow-up in 2000, including a memo from an Agent w/ United States Customs Service.

'"I was advised that all the passport data had been turned over to the State Department for their investigation. The State Department in turn, advised the MPD that all travel and use of the passports by the holders of the passports was within the law and no action would be taken. This included travel to Moscow, North Korea, and North Vietnam from the late 1950s to mid 1970s.

"The individual further advised me of circumstances which indicated that the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter. The MPD report has been classified SECRET and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that the FBI Foreign Counter Intelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired.

"No further information will be available. No further action will be taken."'

Continued.......
http://www.whale.to/b/mcgowan2.html

[Heaven Swan]

http://wbai.org/upcomingprogram.php?upcomingid=2375

WBAI-FM Upcoming Program
In Other News

Mon, Jan 2, 2017 4:00 PM
LIVE INTERVIEW WITH NICK BRYANT AT BROOKLYN COMMONS

Pedophile Networking In the United States: Anatomy Of A Cover-Up - Nick Bryant and Geoff Brady Live at the Brooklyn Commons (388 Atlantic Ave) and on WBAI January 2, 2017 from 4:00PM - 6:00PM

As citizen journalists dug into the many levels of what's now termed pizzagate, disturbing pedophile-related images, art work and powerful associations were revealed on a pizza restaurant owner's instagram account and archived before it was switched to private. That visual data exploded online as a culture of outrage and cybermobs put Comet Ping Pong in the cross hairs of a potential child trafficking pedophile network. For many, the evidence online was enough to research deeper, despite the chorus call and implementation of filtering so called fake news, but what will it take for an official investigation to commence?

Join Geoff Brady host of In Other News (Mondays 11PM on WBAI) and returning guest Nick Bryant, author of The Franklin Scandal : A Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse and Betrayal for a two-hour live interview on stage at the Brooklyn Commons. This production will be broadcast live on air January 2, 2017 from 4-6 PM. We'll also take your questions in the second hour of the interview. The massive resources being used to censor, debunk and lie about the information that could lead to evidence of a child-trafficking and abuse network in Washington DC is very telling. Lets examine the potential evidence and take your questions with Nick Bryant who will expound on the background of pedophile networks and related cover ups going up to the highest levels drawn from his 14 years of research.

Geoff Brady - host of In Other News - http://www.inothernewsradio.com
Nick Bryant - author and journalist - http://franklinscandal.com/

I listened to the interview which was great as expected. Nick Bryant is so good at expressing himself in an even way about such an upsetting and inflammatory topic.

He encouraged citizen researchers and journalists while also stating facts and his experience that rumors and false stories can spread like wildfire on the internet, citing the rumor that was going around several years ago that male prostitute with White House press credentials Jeff Gannon was Johnny Gotcsh. He made a trip to DC to meet Gannon and easily established that it was impossible that he could be Gotsch due to a large discrepancy in their ages and birth dates. He says that that rumor gained wide traction and that he's still asked if Jeff is Johnny.

He stated that he had never before heard of the pizza code in pedophile networks (and he's been researching and writing about these networks as a child advocate for over a decade.)

The interview is well worth listening to IMO.

[Searcher08]

Thank you for this, Heaven Swan. Nick to me represents the 'Gold Standard' of research in this area. I shall make notes.

[elfismiles]

Archived here ... hope to listen soon.

http://inothernewsradio.com/wp-content/ ... 170102.mp3

http://inothernewsradio.com/podcast/in- ... ry-2-2017/

[divideandconquer]

Just because Nick Bryant hasn't heard of pizza code doesn't mean a thing. I don't know whether pizza code is real or a fabrication but I do know that powerful people, like the powerful people named in pizzagate, are guilty, guilty, guilty.

Here's the thing: there is plenty of evidence--for anyone who cares to look beneath the surface--to establish that the culture of horrendous abuse, torture and sacrifice of children is deeply embedded into the hierarchies of the powerful institutions that basically rule our world. Institutions we trust to serve the public’s best interests (including government, technology, media giants, charities, etc.) systemically serve sinister ends which they cover by armoring and shielding themselves with a false or counterfeit "breastplate of righteousness" that's starting to disintegrate right before our very eyes . To be sure, institutions, agencies, bureaucracies, etc., that we believe are fighting this horror are, in fact, not only enabling it, but, at the very top, are at the wheel, driving it forward.

Take "Operation Pacifier", where the FBI distributes child porn to catch people who view it. So let me get this straight, while thousands of Pentagon employees have been caught looking at child porn, pretty much with impunity--and I'm sure that's only the tip of a very large iceberg--the FBI sets up a real child porn website using real child pornography to...what?

I know this is one very small example, but it doesn't take much searching to discover, these are very common "tactics", committing crimes to supposedly entrap catch "criminals". But it's all okay because they're protecting us from the bad guys. For all we know, these caught "criminals" are only guilty of clicking on the wrong link. And if they can set up one child porn website, how many other websites, pedophilia/trafficking rings are set up by these powerful institutions to supposedly catch "criminals"?

In other words, forget about the code, which may or may not be real. Instead, look at the entire picture...

[mentalgongfu2]

In other words, forget about the code, which may or may not be real. Instead, look at the entire picture...

The code is the foundation of the entire structure of pg. If it is not real, it calls into question every one of the conclusions that have been drawn based on the belief that these emails contain secret pedophile code words.

I am baffled how this is not clear to you dnc.

[Luther Blissett]

In other words, forget about the code, which may or may not be real. Instead, look at the entire picture...

The code is the foundation of the entire structure of pg. If it is not real, it calls into question every one of the conclusions that have been drawn based on the belief that these emails contain secret pedophile code words.

I am baffled how this is not clear to you dnc.

Well, the code, then paired with ignorance of performance art.

[liminalOyster]

Meta-trolling: Roberta’s Tiki Parties Show a Devil-May-Care Attitude

[JackRiddler]

Meta-trolling: Roberta’s Tiki Parties Show a Devil-May-Care Attitude

Quick note for readers who can’t tell real news from fake news: The stuff about Roberta’s throwing parties every Friday in January and February is real. All the other stuff is complete garbage.

[Searcher08]

In other words, forget about the code, which may or may not be real. Instead, look at the entire picture...

The code is the foundation of the entire structure of pg. If it is not real, it calls into question every one of the conclusions that have been drawn based on the belief that these emails contain secret pedophile code words.

I am baffled how this is not clear to you dnc.

I dont agree that pizzagate is dependent *entirely* on codewords. There is a lot of research going on that is unearthing some interesting overlaps between the Orphanage Industrial complex, Qatari funding and the modern art world.

I thought you might be interested to see this, mentalgongfu2


Also, Nick Bryant's podcast seems to be getting a lot of traction on Voat, which is only for the good.

[liminalOyster]

I see that "satanic artist" Damien Hirst is included. Where's NEA darling Andres Serrano? /s

Genuinely no offense at all intended, Searcher08, but IMHO this seems pretty silly on cursory examination. There may be good/damning info hidden in the details but some of these linkages are pretty weak. IE Gagosian's "friendship" with Jeff Koons is color-coded as "Qatar Cash."

[Searcher08]

I see that "satanic artist" Damien Hirst is included. Where's NEA darling Andres Serrano? /s

Genuinely no offense at all intended, Searcher08, but IMHO this seems pretty silly on cursory examination. There may be good/damning info hidden in the details but some of these linkages are pretty weak. IE Gagosian's "friendship" with Jeff Koons is color-coded as "Qatar Cash."

No offense taken, liminalOyster.

How else do you think it is weak, specifically? How might it be improved? And what works about it?

(My thought was to have an additional textual page of relationships

Relationship1: ObjectA ---(relationship1) --> ObjectB
Relationship2: ObjectC ---(relationship2) --> ObjectD
...

which could then have sources added.

For me, as an example of one (non-professional) person doing online investigation, it shows a lot of effort. I would give it a B- 6/10

[liminalOyster]

On first pass at least, I am not seeing anything beyond a dull sketch of investments and donations and an illustration of institutional structures (ie Boards of Directors.)

The notion that Damien Hirst is "satanic" is so WTF and unqualified that it's hard for me to overlook. It seems to reveal a puerile bias against cosmopolitanism/art world etc and an association with that milieu as satanic/impure/etc that feels very 1980s evangelical simply cloaked in flowcharts and capital flow diagrams. Jeff Koons, FFS? He becomes somehow suspect simply because he's on the board of the ICMEC? This is from his WP page:

As highlighted by articles over the years, including a Wall Street Journal article entitled "Pooling Resources to Fight Child Abuse and Abduction", the issue of child abduction is personal to Koons.[134][135] Following the end of his marriage to Hungarian-born Italian porn actress Staller in 1994, as she wanted to continue to perform as a porn actress and Koons wanted them to be monogamous, Staller, in violation of a US court order, left with their then-two-year-old son, Ludwig and took the child to Italy.[133][134][136] After Koons spent millions of dollars in legal fees over a five-year period pursuing parental rights to his young son, the Italian Supreme Court failed to recognize the couples' US-based joint custody agreement and instead sided with Staller.[134][135][137]

In other words, as with all PG, it fundamentally seems, IMHO, to begin from a place of strongly unchecked speculation - 1) there are satanists in the wings, 2) the art world is a deviant mask for occult ritual pedophilia/murder, 3) the ICMEC is clearly a corrupt body with a mission inverse to its stated one.

These are not fallacious lunatic claims, but they are far too strong. No doubt there are satanists; no doubt there are sociopaths in the art world (as in any world); no doubt the ICMEC is remiss in not dealing with certain ugly realities, etc. But to me this whole thing feels like a paean to one's own confirmation bias.

[Luther Blissett]

I've already told them that Jeff Koons fights child abduction because his child was once abducted, but they just want to be sad about a made-up lava devil that lives underground.