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by 8bitagent » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:06 am
Sounder » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:31 am wrote:Well 8-bit, you gotta admit white people would be quite boring otherwise.
by Sounder » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:27 am
Oh god, listening to that final "TRS" broadcast and seeing some of the insane nazi vs nazi comments online.
by American Dream » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:55 pm
How 2015 Fueled The Rise Of The Freewheeling, White Nationalist Alt Right Movement
In a year dominated by Trump, the alt right — a loosely connected movement related to obscure political theories and a great feel for how the internet actually works — has hit it big.
Dec. 27, 2015
Rosie Gray
WASHINGTON — Old-guard racists like David Duke aren’t the only white nationalists to have been encouraged by Donald Trump’s candidacy this year: His bid has also provided a tremendous boost to a newer movement calling itself the “alt right.”
Up until now, the alt right labored mostly in obscurity, its internal fights and debates hidden from anyone who wasn’t directly looking for them. But all that’s starting to change, and it’s only getting stronger.
“This is really a phenomenon that’s been happening over the last year,” said Richard Spencer, president of the white nationalist National Policy Institute. “2015 has been huge.”
The movement probably doesn’t look like anything you’ve seen before. The alt right is loosely connected, and mostly online. The white nationalists of the alt right share more in common with European far-right movements than American ones. This is a movement that draws upon relatively obscure political theories like neoreaction or the “Dark Enlightenment,” which reject the premises on which modernity is built, like democracy and egalitarianism. But it’s not all so high-minded as that. Take a glance at the #altright hashtag on Twitter or at The Right Stuff, an online hub of the movement, and you’ll find a penchant for aggressive rhetoric and outright racial and anti-Semitic slurs, often delivered in the arch, ironic tones common to modern internet discourse. Trump is a hero on the alt right and the subject of many adoring memes and tweets.
In short, it’s white supremacy perfectly tailored for our times: 4chan-esque racist rhetoric combined with a tinge of Silicon Valley–flavored philosophizing, all riding on the coattails of the Trump boom.
Spencer himself can claim credit for coining the term “alt right”; in 2010, he founded AlternativeRight.com, which is now RadixJournal. But he says the term has gotten a second life in the past year due to a confluence of external factors. “I think it has a lot to do with Trump,” he said. “I think the refugee crisis is also an inspiration. I just think things have gotten so real.”
Jared Taylor, the American Renaissance founder who along with Spencer is considered one of the chiefs of the intellectual wing of white nationalism, also acknowledged Trump’s influence, but said, “It doesn’t have to do only with Trump,” citing Black Lives Matter and “the current rowdiness on college campuses” as other inspirations.
“I think it goes by a lot of different names,” Taylor said. “I consider it a dissident right as well.”
Spencer believes the alt right is “deeply connected” with his work. “I would say that what I’m doing is we’re really trying to build a philosophy, an ideology around identity, European identity,” he said, “and I would say that the alt right is a kind of the take-no-prisoners Twitter troopers of that.”
The alt right’s targets don’t include just liberals, blacks, Jews, women, Latinos, and Muslims, who are all classified a priori as objects of suspicion. (Though this has not gone unnoticed: “It’s definitely something we’re aware of and tracking,” said Marilyn Mayo, director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism. “There are more white supremacists who are defining themselves as part of the alt right.”)
The alt right’s real objective, if one can be identified, is to challenge and dismantle mainstream conservatism.
It’s in part responsible for the spread of the “cuckservative” slur that gained currency over the summer and likely originated in forums on sites like My Posting Career and The Right Stuff, and has come to define a far-right contempt for conservatives they view as weak or sellouts — often those who oppose Trump.
So far, they haven’t garnered much attention from mainstream conservative figures, though they’ve begun to intersect a bit with national political commentary.
“You are on fire tonight, Alt Right!” conservative commentator Ann Coulter tweeted in August at an account called @_AltRight_ whose current avatar is a photo of Front National scion Marion Maréchal-Le Pen. Coulter’s rant about Jews over the summer was met with approval by Spencer. Her public persona has become more and more tied to a kind of white identity politics; Coulter’s book Adios America! may have had some influence on Donald Trump’s hard right turn on immigration, and her Twitter feed has lately seemed of a piece with alt right ideas about America being a white nation (“All trying to imitate Trump on immigration, but it’s not just security!!! Its CULTURE!!!! See Miami, Houston, Nashville etc etc”) and secretive Jewish influence (“I love how the media assumes all Americans know Yiddish.”)
Asked about the alt right and Trump, Coulter told BuzzFeed News in an email: “I have no idea what you’re talking about, but Trump’s support is quite a bit larger than any one small slice of the electorate, much less a small slice of the right-wing electorate. how about covering the surprisingly large support for trump in the black community? THAT’S a story.” Coulter told BuzzFeed News later that she wasn’t familiar with the movement and is “not a member of any group that calls itself the ‘alt right,’ and don’t know anyone who calls himself ‘alt-right.’”
(Upon receiving explanation of what the alt right is, including a link to a description in a Daily Beast piece, Coulter wrote the following: “Oh a ‘white power’ movement. okay, I see where this is going. if there are people out there who support trump because they are for ‘white power’ (daily beast) that says nothing about me or donald trump, any more than it says something about bernie sanders that some of his supporters were undoubtedly fans of stalin’s show trails, the soviet invasion of hungary and the assassination of raoul wallenberg. Hillary endorsed #blacklivesmatter, but I will allow that the majority of hillary’s supporters probably don’t support the murder of police. lots of her supporters absolutely do – and cop-killers have murdered a lot more ppl this year than any ‘white power’ types have. I retweeted that tweet because it’s funny.”)
Rush Limbaugh praised the alt right on his show earlier this month, though he didn’t appear to know what it was; a caller called in and described a vague version of it, saying, “There’s a group of younger people called ‘the alt right.’ And it started in the last few years in Europe because of the Muslim invasion.” Still, it put the term on the air for Limbaugh’s millions of listeners to hear.
Despite these glimmers of something approaching recognition, the alt right remains proudly outside of the mainstream. For Richard Spencer, the alt right is a rejection of the intellectual conservatism of the late 20th and early 21st centuries.
“We don’t have a starting point with William F. Buckley, we don’t have the same starting point as Richard Lowry and Jonah Goldberg and National Review,” Spencer said. The alt right is “radically different from George W. Bush, the conservative movement, etc. It really was a notion of an alternative.”
The alt right’s current moment in the sun has actually been a long time coming. The movement is undergirded by some of the ideas espoused by Dark Enlightenment or neoreactionary thinkers like the English philosopher Nick Land and the the American computer programmer Curtis Yarvin (aka “Mencius Moldbug”). Land and Yarvin have for years espoused a rejection of democracy and a return to traditional authoritarian structures. But the Dark Enlightenment thinkers are the definition of inaccessible; both Land and Yarvin’s writings are eye-glazingly verbose. A representative Land sentence, from his manifesto on the Dark Enlightenment: “The war on political incorrectness creates data-empowered, web-coordinated, paranoid and poly-conspiratorial werewolves, superbly positioned to take advantage of liberal democracy’s impending rendezvous with ruinous reality, and to then play their part in the unleashing of unpleasantnesses that are scarcely imaginable (except by disturbing historical analogy).”
The alt right’s genius is in dispensing with the self-marginalizing pseudo-intellectual stuff and getting straight to the point, and not in the creaky hit-you-over-the-head fashion of, say, Stormfront, but the slangy and freewheeling argot of the internet in 2015. The Right Stuff has a page devoted to the lexicon of the alt right, a collection of terms that pop up frequently on Twitter once you know what to look for. “Fash,” for example, for fascist. “Merchant” for Jews.“Dindu nuffins” for “an obviously guilty black man.” Where neoreactionary thinkers refer to “the Cathedral” as shorthand for the politically correct elite establishment, The Right Stuff is more pointed in calling it “the Synagogue.” Rare Pepes, the frog meme native to 4chan, are common. The Right Stuff forums are rife with memes targeting, for example, Jeb Bush as a weakling (a recent Bush-related thread is titled “Suicide Watch Headquarters”) and portraying Trump as a hero (see “Memes of Der Trumpenfuhrer”). The culture clearly draws on 4chan — the /pol/ board is another hub.
This can all make it difficult to discern who’s a real racist and who’s a troll doing it to be edgy, as Ken White, the lawyer and blogger at Popehat and a keen observer of politics on the internet, pointed out. The Popehat Twitter feed, co-run by White, has described alt right as “white supremacy for people with soft hands.”
“It’s really hard to tease out the genuine white nationalists from the trolls,” White told BuzzFeed News, but, “at a certain point, the distinction isn’t meaningful. If you spend all day saying white nationalist things online but you claim you’re doing it ironically, it’s not clear to me what the difference really is.”
by PufPuf93 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:04 am
Wombaticus Rex » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:59 am wrote:Such a curious constant -- considering how shockingly, overtly Anti-Semetic the Alt-Right is -- whole lot of Jews making themselves at home running it.
Now, as the US Deep State atrophies into mere organized crime, it would make sense to see Israel Int'l get into the Honeypot business at scale. Even that couldn't explain the mystery of how (((Curtis Yarvin)))'s essays on obscure British philosophers would up galvanizing the White Supremacist movement, though.
Nick Land's support for Israel and the Ashkenazi genome has always been couched in terms of IQ, but it's likely more attributable to his long-standing marriage to one Anna Greenbaum.
Then you've got Karl Boetel on the sidelines, cutting a very paymaster kinda profile...
It's fitting that the title of this thread would be in scare quotes. "Alternative Right," indeed. The whole thing is controlled opposition.
by American Dream » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:55 pm
The Changing Face of Anti-Fascism
Wednesday, January 18, 2017
By Spencer Sunshine, Truthout | Report
Immigrant workers and volunteers protest outside Trump Hotel Las Vegas, on October 19, 2016.
The mainstream media have given a lot of coverage to today's organized racist and fascist groups -- especially the far-right coalition of fascists, white nationalists and other Trump supporters that refers to itself as the "alt-right" -- but most media have ignored the new wave of antifascism. Antifascism has been around for as long as fascism has, and antifascists -- also known as "antifa" -- are mostly left-wing activists who track and counter-organize against fascists and other far-right activists. In the last year, the antifascist movement has grown exponentially in the United States. And the movement -- which was the first to warn about the "alt-right" -- has changed both in terms of the complexity of its approach, and composition of its membership, compared to its recent past.
The last heyday of the organized US racist movement was in the 1980s through the mid-1990s. The movement had two wings: one that appealed to the mainstream, and one that engaged in violent, aggressive attacks. This wave of organized racism did not break on its own. The more radical wing, in particular, was opposed by antifascist groups like Anti-Racist Action (ARA), SHARP (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice) and RASH (Red and Anarchist Skinheads). These largely started as local groups to beat off the first wave of Nazi skinhead gangs that had tried to take over the punk rock scene. Nazi skinheads, an incredibly violent movement, murdered at least 40 people between 1988 and 1996. As part of their work, antifascist groups also gained a rough reputation, engaging in direct confrontation with Nazi skins and organizing rowdy counter-demonstrations against racist marches. The antifascists also successfully fought the Nazi takeover of the punk rock scene, either driving them entirely out or forcing them into isolated and marginalized corners.
ARA had 200 groups at its height in 1997. Many of these groups were in the United States; others were in Canada and Latin America. But the far right had already hit its peak, and by the mid-2000s most of the ARA groups disappeared. However, in the late 2000s and the early part of this decade, a handful of new antifa groups formed -- such as Portland, Oregon's Rose City Antifa and NYC Antifa -- which looked and acted differently. A symbol of this change was the widespread adoption of the label "antifa" by US groups, in place of "anti-racist." In 2013, the ARA Network folded and was superseded by the Torch Network, but some local groups continue to use the ARA name. Starting in late 2015, in tandem with Trump's success, a wave of new anti-fascist groups has sprung up. In 2014, there were less than two dozen US antifa groups, primarily located in the big urban left-wing hotspots; today there are groups all over the country, including Lincoln, Nebraska, and Central Pennsylvania.
Newer antifa groups have a much more complex range of tactics and politics than their immediate precursors. For example, in the '90s, antifa were largely punks and skinheads in their teens and twenties, and for many it was their first political experience. Today, that demographic has changed. For example, none of the members of the Chelsea East Boston Antifascist Coalition (CEBAC), founded the day after Trump's election, had an antifa background. What they did have was political experience as activists on immigration, LGBTQ, reproductive rights and fat positivity. CEBAC has said, "Our diverse identities as queer, formally undocumented, Middle Eastern, Latino, mother, Jewish, were all components in the formation of this group and the desire to fight fear with preparedness."
In the old days, the model was to form a "crew" -- usually of young men -- to combat Nazi skinheads. As the years went on, these crews started to develop beyond this model and engaged in more educational work. Some groups used an early form of "doxxing" -- the practice of revealing personal information about someone (such as phone numbers and addresses) -- and occasionally ARA used the legal, but very personal, tactic of having demonstrations outside of the homes of known racist organizers.
Today, antifascists still engage in direct confrontations -- but this has become less of a central focus and more like one tool in a toolbox. In most cities, the Nazis have left the punk scene, so there are fewer places where fascists and antifa directly battle it out for the same, contested terrain. There have been clashes against public racist and fascist events in the last year -- including in Atlanta, Anaheim and Sacramento. But public marches have also become a less favored tactic for the racist right, many of whom have instead concentrated on holding academic-style conferences, publishing journals, making podcasts and using social media. In tandem with this shift, antifascists have greatly increased their work on intelligence gathering, doxxing and pressure tactics.
There are several reasons for this change in the antifascist approach.
Collapse of State and Regional Monitoring Groups
The 1980s and 1990s saw a number of national-level "monitoring groups" -- organizations that tracked and countered the far right, including the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), Political Research Associates, the Center for Democratic Renewal and Anti-Defamation League. With access to a larger funding base, these groups produced documentation about Klan, Nazi and other racist organizing. The SPLC, which continues to monitor organized racist and fascist groups today, pioneered innovative lawsuits which bankrupted major racist leaders, including Tom Metzger's White Aryan Resistance, the United Klans of America and the Invisible Empire.
But in addition to these national organizations, an array of local, state and regional groups existed. These included Georgia's Neighbors Network; Portland, Oregon's Coalition for Human Dignity; the Montana Human Rights Network and North Carolinians Against Racist and Religious Violence. Activists in these groups were able to produce detailed local documentation about far-right organizing, and engage in a hands-on, grassroots organizing approach from inside their communities.
Before the rise of the internet, monitors had to attend racist rallies in person; photography was risky and expensive; and to get access to racist magazines, you had to open post office boxes under false names and purchase their literature. Some members -- who, of course, had to be white -- would infiltrate racist rallies and organizations in person. Monitoring was an expensive, risky and time-intensive practice.
But as the large wave of organized racism receded, so did both the urgently felt need -- and available funding -- for mid-level groups. Most folded by 2000 or soon after, with the Montana Human Rights Network as the rare exception. The national groups have also changed. Of the older national-level monitoring groups, the SPLC is the sole organization that continues to be focused primarily on documenting and advocating against organized racist and fascist movements. (While the Anti-Defamation League, Political Research Associates and former members of the Center for Democratic Renewal -- now working with the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights -- continue to do monitoring work, their primary focus has shifted to different forms of right-wing activism or other matters.)
Due to these changes, antifa groups have largely taken on the role of the mid-level state and regional organizations that had disappeared. Antifascists produce the majority of research on, and opposition to, local racist organizing -- work these more mainstream organizations used to do. In fact, today antifa groups are often the only local groups doing tracking and counter-organizing against organized racists. NYC Antifa says, "In New York City, no mainstream groups do anything when fascists have public events." If one wants to learn about local racist organizing, they are better off looking at local antifascist blogs, as one won't get this information from the local liberal nonprofits.
Using the Internet for Monitoring
Today, the internet -- and social media in particular -- has changed both far right recruitment and monitoring. Racist publications are easily available to potential members -- but also to monitors. Far rightists proudly proclaim their allegiances on discussion boards and social media networks, and engage in "online radicalization" -- but this also allows antifascists to track participants in these groups. Racists stream videos of their own events and put their pictures online, greatly reducing the dangerous task of surreptitious photography.
Once personal information is compiled, a favored tactic is now doxxing: publishing photos and personal information online. Despite Trump's mainstreaming of racism, the public taboo against open advocacy of white supremacy remains, and most racist activists take pains to hide their identities. Being "outed" can ruin family and social relationships, as well as cause problems at work.
Antifascists also use doxxing to expose racist groups that engage in attempts to cross-recruit from the Left, as well as to expose racist bands -- music being a main avenue of racist recruitment. Antifa also pressure venues to cancel the bands -- or face boycotts. Getting a reputation for being a "Nazi club" is not good for business in most cities.
The European Antifa Movement
The European anti-fascist movement has been one of the influences on the current rising movement in the US, and it is also the origin of the "antifa" name. In many countries, antifascism is a mass social movement of its own. In Germany in particular, groups exist in all cities -- Berlin, for example, is home to multiple groups. While European antifascist groups also do fight trainings and organize mass demonstrations against racist groups, they have a much stronger emphasis on educational and cultural work than their US counterparts.
People-of-Color-Led Social Movements
Grassroots people-of-color-led social movements, especially the immigrant rights movement, Black Lives Matter and #NoDAPL, have also changed antifascist organizing. These movements have helped antifascists reorient from primarily being in the punk rock scene to positioning themselves as part of a larger, multi-layered struggle against white supremacy as it exists throughout the United States. While these social movements engage in organizing against multifaceted forms of structural oppression in our society, antifa focus on the self-conscious fascist and white nationalist movements. One often sees antifascist flags at immigrants' rights protests and Black Lives Matter demonstrations.
Despite these shifts in antifascist organizing, the one thread that remains is that it takes far-right organizing more seriously than the mainstream media. As early as 2005, antifascists warned that aesthetic and intellectual changes in far-right organizing were afoot. In 2010, antifascist researcher Matthew Lyons had already analyzed how Richard Spencer's Alternative Right website was offering a new approach, commonly referred to as the "alt-right." Antifascists held demonstrations in Washington, D.C., against Spencer's National Policy Institute conference in both 2013 and 2015. If the media had paid more attention to antifascist insights and organizing, it would have been less surprised by the rise of the alt-right.
Today, contemporary antifascists draw from a more diverse background of participants and use an expanded array of tactics to confront organized racist currents. Mainstream media and liberal activists ignore the work of the antifascist movement at their own peril. With the rapid expansion of fascism, antifascism is looking to be an increasingly important social movement in the US political landscape.
SPENCER SUNSHINE
Spencer Sunshine is an associate fellow at Political Research Associates. Follow him on Twitter: @transform6789.
by American Dream » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:24 pm
Disgraced Neo-Nazi pundit “Mike Enoch” vows to expand racist podcast network, despite alt-right doxxing war
Founder of alt-right mecca The Right Stuff hopes for comeback after revelation his wife is Jewish; rivals attack
MATTHEW SHEFFIELD
Racist podcaster Mike Peinovich has decided to return to his white nationalist program after quitting earlier this week, following reports that he had kept his neo-Nazi fans in the dark about his marriage to a Jewish woman.
In a podcast released to the public on Wednesday, Peinovich — better known as “Mike Enoch,” creator of The Right Stuff (or TRS) blog and co-host of “The Daily Shoah” — told listeners said that having his real name and details of his private life revealed had made him feel he had “basically lost everything in my life.”
On the program, Peinovich didn’t discuss his wife or the status of his relationship. In a separate podcast released on Tuesday, one of his partners, Jesse “Seventh Son” Dunstan, claimed that Peinovich and his wife were “separating.”
“This entire thing is not going to destroy us,” Dunstan said. “There’s nothing else for us to do but TRS.”
Dunstan went on to denounce the anti-fascist activists who had revealed Peinovich’s identity, vowing that their actions would only accelerate The Right Stuff’s long-term goal of supplanting the outdated and aging hosts of conventional conservative talk radio. “It’s a major miscalculation, man,” Dunstant said.
On the podcast, Peinovich claimed that media outlets were trying to destroy him by exposing the details about his marriage, in retaliation for Donald Trump’s victory.
“They’re saying it’s over,” the Right Stuff founder said, neglecting the fact that it was Dunstan who had earlier announced that Peinovich was leaving the site. “They want all of this to die and go away. And they’re hoping that this issue will make it happen.”
During his 90-minute appearance, Peinovich repeatedly denied that he had lied to his fans, saying that he had failed to disclose his marriage only out of a desire to protect his “normie” job, and by extension, The Right Stuff. “I don’t think it was deceptive,” he said.
Peinovich’s comeback efforts have received a mixed reception from fellow denizens of the far-right racist fringe. On Saturday, “Daily Shoah” co-host “Bulbasaur” sharply denounced Peinovich on Twitter, saying he belonged in a gas chamber. Bulbasaur subsequently deleted his account from the social-media service and has been unresponsive to his former associates’ attempts to contact him, according to Dunstan.
On Wednesday night, two of the podcasts hosted on TRS’ technology platform announced they were withdrawing and creating their own site. Their blog post announcing the move to TRS listeners was promptly erased from the site, apparently by Peinovich or one of his partners. (An archived version of it is still available.)
The hosts of TRS’ most popular podcast, “Fash the Nation,” abruptly erased their website and deleted all of their show archives. It’s unknown when or where the 120,000 listeners of the weekly program can expect to download another episode. As of last September, “Fash the Nation” was the most popular conservative political podcast on the audio sharing site SoundCloud. It was banned from the service shortly thereafter.
Other TRS hosts appear to be sticking with Peinovich, at least for now. He’s also received a fair amount of support from many of the leaders in the alt-right movement, including racist and anti-Semitic publisher Greg Johnson, who wrote an impassioned defense of Peinovich. Johnson also confirmed reports that Peinovich’s wife “was aware of Mike’s work and supportive of it.”
According to Johnson, Peinovich’s transition from an anarchist libertarian to anti-Semitic white nationalist was an “inspiring” tale:Mike had a front row seat on America’s decline in his very own family. The Jews want to smash our families and mix our genes and loyalties to the point that we can never contemplate reversing our programmed march to extinction. But with Mike and so many others, these blended families and mixed children helped red-pill him. The true story of his life is far more inspiring than any of the shattered fantasies of disappointed fans.
Peinovich also received support from Richard Spencer, the president of a racist “think tank” made famous in December after Peinovich and others performed Nazi salutes in front of the media. Former Klansman David Duke has also defended Peinovich. Andrew Anglin, creator of the popular neo-Nazi blog the Daily Stormer, has also backed Peinovich, while adding that he believed the The Right Stuff creator should have divorced his wife long ago.
While Peinovich has maintained a fair amount of support among leaders of the alt-right, the grassroots activists who really make things happen for the movement have been far less forgiving of his deception. The anonymous activists with the image board 8chan have continued to expose even more details about Peinovich’s life since he was first doxxed on Saturday — including his phone number, email and home address in Manhattan — and show no signs of forgiving him. Many have also criticized him for lying when he initially told Salon that he was not Mike Enoch.
8channers also denounced Peinovich’s Wednesday podcast appearance, with many saying it proved his beliefs were not as far right as he claimed.
Peinovich also appears to be having difficulty retaining some of the The Right Stuff audience. Shortly after he first admitted that his wife was Jewish, the site disabled its free-range web forum after many users began condemning him. On the Wednesday podcast, Peinovich and Dunstan claimed the discussion board had been “infiltrated” by people looking to cause trouble. TRS site administrators appear to have disabled comments on all podcasts dealing with the Peinovich controversy.
At the Daily Stormer, readers were sharply negative toward Peinovich. One user wrote that he believed that “The Daily Shoah” was going to return to being a podcast for libertarians. “It didn’t sound like he was splitting up with her either,” the user added.
Another user likely spoke for many when he condemned Peinovich and his partners for answering irrelevant questions and not providing enough specifics about his personal situation during the Wednesday podcast:This was not good. I really don’t think this could have been worse. He’s pointing to losing a job and his life being ruined, nothing we can prove, and as a tech guy he can get another job easy, contract work easy.
He never confirms the divorce, he acts like this is a TRS origin story, he doesn’t have a plan for reestablishing trust, and he babbles about the problems within the movement most of the time.
Epic Fucking Fail.
Despite widespread activist discontent, it may be too soon to write off The Right Stuff. According to Peinovich, the podcast network is “possibly self-sustaining at this point.” TRS relies primarily on donations and merchandise sales for revenue.
Given how uninterested mainstream conservative and libertarian publications and broadcasters have been in catering to younger right-wing audiences, and the fact that TRS faces little podcasting competition within the alt-right, it’s quite possible that Peinovich’s creation may continue and even expand, assuming it survives the current fracas.
As one 8channer put it: “Anyone with a brain can see that these people were trying to position themselves in such a way that they would profit immensely from this gap in the market. . . . These guys were ready to be the next Rush [Limbaugh].”
by SonicG » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:13 pm
Putting cuckservatives in the cuck shed where they can watch us with their civilization.
Using the therapeutic power of LARPing to help tens of thousands of young men manage their autism.
by American Dream » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:44 am
by SonicG » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:10 am
by semper occultus » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:21 am
8bitagent » 18 Jan 2017 11:22 wrote:The adherence to this strict "racial purity" is a joke when they always leave themselves to have an out. "Well Im a white nationalist...but damn, I sure love anime and dating Asian women", lol
by American Dream » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:30 am
If we only understand anti-fascism to be just the struggle between antifa and Neo-Nazis, the KKK, and the Alt-Right, then in many ways, we’ve already lost.
Some of the biggest examples of auxiliary ‘white power’ are not found in the Alt-Right, or even in white nationalism, and in many cases, far-Right groups are not just solely comprised of white men and at least on paper, reject racialist politics. This reality has played itself out in a variety of ways, as Milo, from the standpoint of a far-Right gay man, attacks feminism, and Sheriff Clark goes after Black Lives Matter, even calling Marc Lamont of CNN a “jigaboo.” Even parts of the Alt-Right have softened; as the fall-out with Mike Peinovich shows many wavering on the issue of “the Jews,” as well as many opening their arms to people like Tila Tequila. This shows that whiteness in itself is of course not about biology, but all about power and deciding who gets to wield that power but more importantly: against what.
SonicG » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:10 am wrote:
I don't mean to minimize the threat, even I consider myself fairly anarchist (more pro-situ, but you get the picture), but that articke was tedious...and I am seeing two very non-aryan faces in the above photo...
by American Dream » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:22 pm
Alt-Right Podcaster ‘Understands’ He Can’t Be a Leader After Revelation He Married Jewish Woman
Over the weekend, the story took even another turn.
First, Peinovich conceded that the information in the Medium post was correct, writing in a forum on The Right Stuff:
“As I am sure you all know, I was doxxed and an ill advised attempt to fool the media about my identity led me to not talk to you people and to try to simply ride it out by being silent,” he wrote, as first documented in a Salon story. “This was irresponsible and a disservice to all of you. Yes my wife is who they say she is, I won’t even bother denying it, I won’t bother making excuses. If this makes you want to leave the movement, or to have nothing to do with TRS, then I understand.”
He then implored supporters to not “try to defend me to those attacking me.”
“Don’t jeopardize your own reputation by defending things that you don’t think you can,” he wrote. “I could try to explain my whole life for the last ten years to you but what difference at this point would it make. Life isn’t perfect.”
Then a theory emerged, detailed here, that two Donald Trump supporters—Mike Cernovich and Bill Mitchell, who have recently tried to distance themselves from people in the alt-right who they perceive to be anti-Semites—had provided journalists, including The Daily Beast, with Peinovich’s private information. (The Daily Beast never received doxxing information from Cernovich or Mitchell.)
Cernovich and Mitchell came under suspicion because they had begun to criticize figures who they deemed to be causing a problem for their loosely organized movement, typified by a Washington, D.C., event organized by white nationalist Richard Spencer in which people were caught on camera making Nazi salutes.
After those accusations started flying around, Mitchell and Cernovich both claimed that they weren’t involved in Peinovich’s doxxing. The Daily Beast has not been able to definitively identify the person or persons who wrote the Medium post.
“Who is the Right Stuff guy? Never heard of him?” Mitchell said in a direct Twitter message on Monday. “Other than Cernovich, I don’t know any of those people.”
Cernovich, for his part, did seem to allude to Peinovich, or at least someone who sounded like him, in a December Periscope broadcast.
“Did you know that one of the leaders,” Cernovich said making quotation marks with his fingers to the camera, “in the alt-right—I’m not going to doxx him—one of the leaders of the alt-right who’s anonymous—[is] morbidly obese and is married to a Jewish woman, which I find fascinating.”
He called it “hilarious” that this anonymous individual would not reveal his wife’s background.
On Tuesday, Cernovich told The Daily Beast that he was sent Peinovich’s private information by an anonymous account a while ago, but said he never posted it.
“Anons [or anonymous Twitter users] sent me the dox a couple of months ago,” he told The Daily Beast in a direct message. “I never posted it and would never have posted a home address—which is beyond the pale even by my standards.”
He said that Peinovich’s doxxed information was direct messaged to him by a “burner account.”
Asked specifically about the Periscope in which Cernovich seemed to allude to Peinovich, his defense was that The Right Stuff crew started the beef between them.
“He sent his crew to troll me, which struck me as ironic given his own situation,” Cernovich told The Daily Beast. “That said I never mentioned him by name. Nor did I spread his dox to anyone. We all have lines and I draw mine at posting an anonymous writer's full name, and I sure as fuck wouldn't give out a home address given the feral nature of the alt-left.”
After Cernovich’s December broadcast, however, users on 8chan began to dox other members of The Right Stuff, including “Bulbasaur” and “Seventh Son,” who were both involved with “The Daily Shoah.”
By Jan. 7, users on the subreddit r/altright were concerned that 8chan had been compromised and that the doxxing was being conducted by anti-fascist and “communist sympathizers.”
Since 8chan users are anonymous—just like the poster on Medium who doxxed Peinovich—it was hard to ascertain who was actually behind the doxxing of The Right Stuff crew.
According to NYC Antifa, an anti-fascist organization that heralded the Medium post as a success and initially tweeted the story, the group is unaware of counter-countersignal’s actual identity.
“They're an antifascist research group in the New York area that found info about the two TRS [The Right Stuff] hosts who were doxxed by other white nationalists last week, did some more research, and found Enoch,” a source familiar with the leak told The Daily Beast in an email. “When they confirmed the intel they made the Medium post.”
As for what happens now, hosts of “The Daily Shoah” had previously intimated that Peinovich was separating from his wife, but that the show would go on.
Peinovich declined to be interviewed for this article.
by American Dream » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:27 pm
by SonicG » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:01 am
When I asked to attend the DeploraBall — the vigorously-protested 1,000-person pro-Trump black-tie event causing a rift in the alt-right — organizer Jeff Giesea offered an angle: “There’s definitely a Trump baby boom in the works.” His DeploraBall co-organizer, anti-feminist activist Mike Cernovich, will soon have a daughter with his wife. And Giesea’s surrogate mother is twelve weeks pregnant with a son. Surrogate? “I’m a gay man,” said the 46-year-old businessman, whose mother is Mexican-American. (She supports building the wall.) Will his son have two dads? “It’s complicated,” he said, describing his relationship as well as the conflicting impulses within his movement — particularly when it comes to gender and sexual politics.
DeploraBall was a surprisingly queer event...
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by American Dream » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:16 pm
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