The “Alternative Right"

[American Dream]

I think a very right wing person who sometimes poses as a philosopher here and who constantly denies their reactionary allegiances, has been going off about things they don't really know or understand.

No one knows much at this point and yet you are just playing the fool for all of us to see, what with your Machista reactionary talk and your very tenuous relationship to rigorous thinking.

[Sounder]

Geeze Louise, how much rigor is required here. (The police said;) the guy said that he thought the guy he shot was a white supremacist. So my guess, not calling for rigor, is that a protester shot a person that he took to be a racist. Because that is what the shooter said, see; no rigor required.

Oh right, this clearly is code for some right-wing claptrap, never mind.

[American Dream]

It could be anything. The guy could be lying- and/or crazy. Maybe "neither right nor left"? That's a thing, don't you claim that?

Anyway, letting it go at that because I find this tedious. You may now declare victory and go home.

[seemslikeadream]

hey lets talk about another one in a thousand things that has happened in the last couple days that means nothing in the grand scheme of things

Man Bites Ear off Another Man During Argument About Trump
By JOE MANDAK, ASSOCIATED PRESS PITTSBURGH — Jan 23, 2017, 10:48 AM ET

Police say a man bit the ear off another man in Pittsburgh as they argued about President Donald Trump.

The 30-year-old victim was bitten at his apartment at around 6:45 a.m. Monday in the city's East Liberty neighborhood after a verbal argument turned physical. He ran to a gas station for help.

Police spokeswoman Emily Schaffer says she isn't able to say whether the victim supported Trump or opposed him.

The victim's ear was recovered by police in the apartment. Police say he was taken to UPMC Presbyterian hospital in stable condition.

Police say they know who bit the man's ear and are searching for him. They wouldn't give his name.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man- ... p-44986339

there is a theme here and it is TRUMP!!

[seemslikeadream]

The New National Debate: Is It Ever OK to Punch a Nazi?
http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/new- ... punch-nazi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCb2Le3wtIk

W-Seattle Shooting Victim is Anti-Racist Organizer; Victim was de-escalating conflict at protest when shot


A man suffering from a gunshot wound is helped away from the scene in Red Square. (Johnny Andrews/The Seattle Times)

Update 1/23/2017: Corrections: The SPD has been replaced with the UWPD, and the incorrect statement that firearms are forbidden by law has been replaced with reference to the campus policy banning firearms. Strikeouts are used to preserve transparency. We apologize for the errors and thank the public for their interest.

A pdf version of this press release may be downloaded here: gdc-2017-01-22-seattle-shooting-press-release-approved

For Immediate Release: January 22, 2017

Contact: Sam Wagner, IWW General Defense Committee
PO. Box 15573
Pittsburgh, PA 15244

Phone: (763) 439-3886

Email: sam.wagner@protonmail.com

Date: January 22, 2017



UW-Seattle Shooting Victim is Anti-Racist Organizer ; Victim was de-escalating conflict at protest when shot

SEATTLE, WA — The victim of the shooting at University of Washington’s Seattle Campus (UW-Seattle) on Friday, January 20, 2017, is a member of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) and the IWW’s General Defense Committee (GDC), an anti-racist and anti-fascist organization. He was present at the protests against Breitbart News editor Milo Yiannopoulos on Friday night to oppose Milo’s hateful speech, which encourages violence towards marginalized groups, and has resulted in actual violence in the past. The victim spent the period prior to being shot de-escalating conflicts between protesters and counter-protesters.
The shooter is unknown to the public at this point. Despite using a firearm against another unarmed citizen in a place where firearms are against university policy, the University of Washington Police Department (UWPD) Seattle Police Department (SPD) released the shooter shortly after he turned himself in. It is unclear to us that this is standard UWPD SPD practice. We do not yet know the real motivations behind the actions of the shooter at Friday’s protest. We do know that he brought a loaded weapon on the UW’s campus, into a protest situation. We understand that this is already a violation of University of Washington policy. We do know that he claimed self-defense against a person who was explicitly there to de-escalate violence, and that the shooter appears to have a considerable amount of confusion as to whom he shot, since he claims to have thought the victim was himself a white supremacist. The shooter displayed a serious lack of responsibility by possessing a loaded firearm onto UW’s campus in a protest situation, and even more when he used it. We do not understand the rationale for releasing this man.

The victim is a 34-year-old man from Seattle who has been a long-time anti-racist and anti-fascist activist. The shooter has apparently claimed that he shot the victim in ‘self-defense.’ The victim was unarmed and attempting to de-escalate conflict at the protest. We request that the press not identify the victim by name. The so-called ‘alt-right’ is notorious for creating virtual mobs to harass those with whom they disagree. The press should resist unintentional collaboration with these tactics. We recognize the pressure for the media to get stories out early and first. We request that the media engage with the victim directly, when he is recovered sufficiently to do so. In the meantime, please refrain from repeating the shooter’s claim that the victim was a white supremacist, without qualifying it with our statement.

The greatest needs for our member are of course personal, physical, and emotional. But the financial needs will be great. Supportive members of the public can donate to the shooting victim’s recovery fund at the internet address below.

We are deeply saddened by the attack on our friend. We are saddened but not surprised that the police released the attacker so swiftly.

[kool maudit]

I think a very right wing person who sometimes poses as a philosopher here and who constantly denies their reactionary allegiances

Say who you mean. This type of veiled accusation has no place on a discussion forum, muddies the water.

This is a call for moderation. Veiled accusations are akin to spook accusations in their ability to serve as squid-ink.

Say what you have to say, damnit!

[8bitagent]

Surprised noones talking about how the largest shared meme in recent days on social media isn't related to Trump per se, but endless remixes and mashups
of a clip of "Alt Right" founder Richard Spencer getting punched. This thing has gotten Grumpy Cat meme big. Longtime President Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau shared the the clip
saying he couldn't stop watching it. Tho Cenk of the progressive Young Turks said it was horrible to do. But whether one loves or hates Spencer getting punched, it's the biggest meme
this week and another bad publicity moment for the "Alt Right", following the heals of the exposure of the Jewish wife of another top white nationalist podcaster

[American Dream]

Sounder, I know you do believe in the philosophy you espouse- of that there has never been any doubt. It's your statements regarding the shooting of the protestor that bother me here.

Anyway, I am back to taking a break from this interaction, as it does get me very upset.

[Sounder]

Sounder, I know you do believe in the philosophy you espouse- of that there has never been any doubt. It's your statements regarding the shooting of the protestor that bother me here.

Anyway, I am back to taking a break from this interaction, as it does get me very upset.

I understand that you may well be upset and I do not want to add to that AD. But what statements of mine bother you and why?

Was the following bothersome?

But yes, what truth? I had a grin at that too, given the agenda driven concern for 'narrative' expressed in the next sentence.

Our current dominant narrative always takes the other to be the threat that must be destroyed, yet here we see, if we care to look, a different narrative sourced from reality that says the 'threat' is ones inability to relate properly with the other.

Money matters, yes funny that. [b]But really the guy did get shot and we all hope and pray for good recovery and minimal financial strain, so hopefully funds raised do serve that purpose.[[/b]

Question in regard to the updated article. Why so little apparent interest in finding the name of the shooter?

[Sounder]

Sounder, I know you do believe in the philosophy you espouse- of that there has never been any doubt.

Yes and it is fairly simple philosophy, the results of which no one has much interest in examining.

Maybe because repetition of the talking point; that people who advocate for regime change for foreign governments are western exceptionalists, makes people here uncomfortable?

Could that be it? Is that why some can only slander and then run away?

[JackRiddler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

[liminalOyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

I have to admit I find it exceedingly challenging to believe Spencer (or Gavin Mcinnes) is not simply doing an Andy Kaufman bit. I know this is wrong but, in addition to the real fear and concern it inspires, it's also just so incredibly fucking ridiculous.

[American Dream]

Fellow Worker and GDC Member Shot at anti-fascist protest in Seattle

This Fellow Worker (what members of the IWW call ourselves) and Defender (for GDC members) is a longtime anti-fascist and dedicated activist, a member of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) and the General Defense Committee of the IWW. He’s currently in critical condition at Harborview Hospital in Seattle. They have a Level One Trauma center, so it’s likely he is receiving the best quality care available, for which we are deeply grateful.

How do we respond? We are building an expanded anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, and anti-fascist presence in Seattle, and this person was spearheading that effort. Are others willing step up and replace his effort while he heals? Our response will help determine that.

There is a limited amount of time for us to make clear to the world what is clear to us: we are under armed attack. The fascist right knows where to find us – protests such as anti-Donald Trump events, or actions against police brutality. In the Twin Cities, the trial has just begun of Allen Scarsella, one of the white supremacists who came to the Fourth Precinct in Minneapolis in November, 2015 and opened fire, shooting multiple people.

We don’t have confirmation that the person who shot our comrade was a counter-protester angry at those protesting Milo’s hateful white nationalist misogyny. We do know that he turned himself into the police several hours later, claiming ‘self-defense.’ This, of course, is exactly what Scarsella did as well.

More at: https://iww.org/de/content/fellow-worke ... st-seattle

[Wombaticus Rex]

I think a very right wing person who sometimes poses as a philosopher here and who constantly denies their reactionary allegiances, has been going off about things they don't really know or understand.

Some lessons, we never learn. Well, most lessons really. See you in February.

Edit: If youse guys are gonna accuse someone, please at least muster the courage to do it outright. Shit like this just makes my soul hurt.

[JackRiddler]

I have to admit I find it exceedingly challenging to believe Spencer (or Gavin Mcinnes) is not simply doing an Andy Kaufman bit. I know this is wrong but, in addition to the real fear and concern it inspires, it's also just so incredibly fucking ridiculous.

So is Trump. Arguably so was Hitler: a performance piece by a frustrated artist. So are a lot of people outside politics of this kind. What's the difference? They are narcissists, as it's called. They serve their egos and imagos by adopting a character and staging a show to attract an audience. They are wounded in some way that life wounds, and they want to make up for it. They very closely attend to their followers, establishing a feedback-reinforcement loop. It's always about their struggle. They work the stupid, consciously or not, and adapt accordingly. There are the actual stupid, about 30% of any random population, and then, sometimes (but not always) more insidiously, there is the stupid in every audience, every person. (Which is why you can also get echo chambers of Davos Men.) The results often look like parody to the critical observer. They even learn from parody. Parody explores new forms for them to pursue. It does not matter, not immediately, because all that matters is that it works in the now, that it gives pleasure in the present, that there is power in its enactment. If the practitioner did not already believe the bullshit, they have to come to believe it and embody it fully because that works better. There's so much competition! It is a form of lifetime method acting for bad actors (in both senses). It's part of what I keep calling kayfabe, although that's unfair to the wrestlers. We're also in the neo-kayfabe era, when everyone knows on some level it's kayfabe and studies how to do it, can use more than a century of scientific manuals on its practice in every one of a thousand forms. Self-improvement, how to sell, social psychology, propaganda, population management, etc. Manifold! The morphological similarity of the Alt-Right practice to PUA practice probably explains more of the affinity of MRA to Alt-Right than does shared ideology or world-view. You are free, because you write yourself. It's about enacting the power circuit. Play your role. One wins more by becoming one's character. All you have to surrender is a prior self that you did not design. There is no necessary bottom to how much like a drag act it's going to look, how hypocritical or theatrical or parodical or ridiculous to the ones who aren't playing in the piece. A bottom only reveals itself when it reaches its limits. By then there is no stopping the performance. It's why they still play their characters in those few cases when the history turns a certain way and they end up as defendants in capital criminal trials.

Spencer's been pretty open about pursuing an exterminationist program. He has written that "we" should be having a discussion about how to eliminate the black race. Having read some of that rhetoric and seen that video, I still would not have punched him, because I don't punch, but would have felt a strong urge to do so, sure, because I do feel that urge in many cases, like almost anyone else. And I understand those who are celebrating the punching. Obviously he's infinitely worse than the puncher (knowing nothing else about the puncher than that he punched him). There is no common scale here. Then again, maybe the puncher will turn out to have been a confederate. Post-reality, false-flag, stage everything, right? That, by the way, is the story that the Alt-Right would have been reflexively spreading immediately, if a leftist or a "cuck" had been punched (or shot in Seattle) by someone in a mask: that the perp was really a confederate or someone from the same camp.

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