The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:33 am

And the fact is, since Trump's election the "news" sphere has been an absolute shitstorm of rumours, half-truths, exaggerations, hysterical prophecies and plain lies, making it next to impossible to work out from one day to the next what's really serious, what's actually unprecedented,


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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:11 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:33 am wrote:
And the fact is, since Trump's election the "news" sphere has been an absolute shitstorm of rumours, half-truths, exaggerations, hysterical prophecies and plain lies, making it next to impossible to work out from one day to the next what's really serious, what's actually unprecedented,


all brought to you by Bretbart/Bannon...it is his MO...he thrives on it
ALTERNATIVE FACTS = AN EVIL STATECRAFT



In fact no. It is not all brought to us by Breitbart and Bannon. Much of it is brought to us by the likes of WaPo, HuffPo, Vice, Salon, various members of the Twitterati, and any number of other "respected" outlets widely regarded as liberal.

ALTERNATIVE FACTS = Faecal Nitrates TV or Vacant Elite Farts
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:26 pm

We Just Disagree

so just leave it alone

there ain't no good guy there ain't no bad guy



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby divideandconquer » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:37 pm

The Trump presidency is the ultimate in psychological warfare...gaslighting at its finest. Trump is merely a weapon, a megalomaniac narcissist they're using in their war against the people and it's working beautifully.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:43 pm

Yeah, this is a bit ugly, but I don't know how the fuck this is going to be moderated when it's essentially about personal taste, learning modalities, and -- worst of all -- political opinions.

Open discussion forum. Anyone who wants to start a thread can. Anyone who wants to post a comment can. Those who put the most time in will contribute the most material.

I don't think I can fucking bring myself to type another speech about critiquing sources vs. attacking RI members. But let's pretend I just did.

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RI essentially only has one real venue for discussion, and that's right here in GD. Therefore there can't/won't be any separation between raw intel dumps and analysis. Having raw intel dumped on top of your analysis and discussion can be irritating -- I've been here for way too many years, and I got irritated by that just recently. What's the point of typing out my thoughts at all? Well, the answer is simple: none. I'll probably persist just the same.

RI is never going to be a research team of citizen journalists. It's a community. That's why the content here reflects Facebook so much. Mono-spectacle, personally, bores the shit out of me, too, but that's the zeitgeist.

And again, that's not going to change.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby semper occultus » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:50 pm

well Drew gave you a flipping blog you ingrate :hrumph
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby brekin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:49 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Yeah, this is a bit ugly, but I don't know how the fuck this is going to be moderated when it's essentially about personal taste, learning modalities, and -- worst of all -- political opinions. Open discussion forum. Anyone who wants to start a thread can. Anyone who wants to post a comment can. Those who put the most time in will contribute the most material. I don't think I can fucking bring myself to type another speech about critiquing sources vs. attacking RI members. But let's pretend I just did.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.


RI essentially only has one real venue for discussion, and that's right here in GD. Therefore there can't/won't be any separation between raw intel dumps and analysis. Having raw intel dumped on top of your analysis and discussion can be irritating -- I've been here for way too many years, and I got irritated by that just recently. What's the point of typing out my thoughts at all? Well, the answer is simple: none. I'll probably persist just the same.
RI is never going to be a research team of citizen journalists. It's a community. That's why the content here reflects Facebook so much. Mono-spectacle, personally, bores the shit out of me, too, but that's the zeitgeist.
And again, that's not going to change.


I'm sure down the road forum software will be more like Slack and other collab apps.
There will be channels for data dumps, threads for discussion off those, which will trigger new channels of data, etc. Users would be able to sort, sift, and leave the data alone but link back to it as reference in the discussion.

Journalists across the country are using a Slack channel to tackle Trump
http://mashable.com/2017/01/25/journali ... CxoCpknsq9

Right now, most forums are like very long chain letters with some people complaining about the weather and their lunch and others dropping their expose of the federal reserve. That may change down the road but for the time being it is all one thing. And no software is going to be able to quiet the neurological storm certain terms such as "Trump" engenders in different users and its effects. (Well maybe at DARPA, NSA, etc.)
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:35 pm

I'm with Mr. Rex in this "endeavour" we somehow have embarked upon. I have been wondering recently why the hell I am still here. I just remind myself that I like it and for some reason love everyone here. Cheezy as fuck but I maked meself some solid friendships cos dis joint, whether I know them in real life or not. Anyway, I'll see it out.

To add more cheeziness to it, let me add that we are all here for a reason. Basically one reason really. Sr. Wells, shit, post 9/11 resonated with all of us "like thinkers". Are we all alike? No. But we seem to respect the format. I will say that some of the arguing and shit scares some away. I have tried to idiotically get a number of quality people to begin kickin' it here. But they all get scared away by fighting.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:40 pm

82_28 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:35 pm wrote:I'm with Mr. Rex in this "endeavour" we somehow have embarked upon. I have been wondering recently why the hell I am still here. I just remind myself that I like it and for some reason love everyone here. Cheezy as fuck but I maked meself some solid friendships cos dis joint, whether I know them in real life or not. Anyway, I'll see it out.

To add more cheeziness to it, let me add that we are all here for a reason. Basically one reason really. Sr. Wells, shit, post 9/11 resonated with all of us "like thinkers". Are we all alike? No. But we seem to respect the format. I will say that some of the arguing and shit scares some away. I have tried to idiotically get a number of quality people to begin kickin' it here. But they all get scared away by fighting.


You never stop trying to stir it with me, do you? Even hours after our last exchange.

Re-read the thread. I attacked no one, fought with no one, insulted no one.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby Project Willow » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:13 pm

Welp, FWIW, I appreciated the OP article. Frankly, nothing will change much without raised consciousness of mass manipulation through media.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby peartreed » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:01 pm

FWIW I find Wombaticus Rex routinely righteous in his rigorous review of the rancor ruining RI and the resulting reactions, reinvigorating a return to reason.

I support seemslikeadream in resenting and resisting reactive insults regarding her substantial and insightful submissions on the crucial issues destroying the summit of Western civilization.

The juvenile jousting from disingenuous jerks is just disjointed self-justification of their jealousy of those engendering judicious, genuine, germane journalism.

Fiercely defending freedom of the press involves invoking vigorous voices of dissent, not their venal invalidation.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby brekin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:07 pm

peartreed » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:01 pm wrote:FWIW I find Wombaticus Rex routinely righteous in his rigorous review of the rancor ruining RI and the resulting reactions, reinvigorating a return to reason.
I support seemslikeadream in resenting and resisting reactive insults regarding her substantial and insightful submissions on the crucial issues destroying the summit of Western civilization.
The juvenile jousting from disingenuous jerks is just disjointed self-justification of their jealousy of those engendering judicious, genuine, germane journalism.
Fiercely defending freedom of the press involves invoking vigorous voices of dissent, not their venal invalidation.


Should we call you V?
Or are you, like, a crazy person?

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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby peartreed » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:31 pm

LOL Brekin!

Sure, call me V, or crazy, or lazy, or hazy in obscurity.
Just don’t call me disinterested in these dazzling dynamics.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:33 pm

Does this Washington Post story fit the bill?


In Venezuela, we couldn’t stop Chávez. Don’t make the same mistakes we did.
How to let a populist beat you, over and over again.
By Andrés Miguel Rondón January 27

Donald Trump is an avowed capitalist; Hugo Chávez was a socialist with communist dreams. One builds skyscrapers, the other expropriated them. But politics is only one-half policy: The other, darker half is rhetoric. Sometimes the rhetoric takes over. Such has been our lot in Venezuela for the past two decades — and such is yours now, Americans. Because in one regard, Trump and Chávez are identical. They are both masters of populism.

The recipe for populism is universal. Find a wound common to many, find someone to blame for it, and make up a good story to tell. Mix it all together. Tell the wounded you know how they feel. That you found the bad guys. Label them: the minorities, the politicians, the businessmen. Caricature them. As vermin, evil masterminds, haters and losers, you name it. Then paint yourself as the savior. Capture the people’s imagination. Forget about policies and plans, just enrapture them with a tale. One that starts with anger and ends in vengeance. A vengeance they can participate in.

That’s how it becomes a movement. There’s something soothing in all that anger. Populism is built on the irresistible allure of simplicity. The narcotic of the simple answer to an intractable question. The problem is now made simple.

The problem is you.

How do I know? Because I grew up as the “you” Trump is about to turn you into. In Venezuela, the urban middle class I come from was cast as the enemy in the political struggle that followed Chávez’s arrival in 1998. For years, I watched in frustration as the opposition failed to do anything about the catastrophe overtaking our nation. Only later did I realize that this failure was self-inflicted. So now, to my American friends, here is some advice on how to avoid Venezuela’s mistakes.

Don’t forget who the enemy is.

Populism can survive only amid polarization. It works through the unending vilification of a cartoonish enemy. Never forget that you’re that enemy. Trump needs you to be the enemy, just like all religions need a demon. A scapegoat. “But facts!” you’ll say, missing the point entirely.

What makes you the enemy? It’s very simple to a populist: If you’re not a victim, you’re a culprit.

During the 2007 student-led protests against the government’s closure of RCTV , then the second-biggest TV channel in Venezuela, Chávez continually went on air to frame us students as “pups of the American Empire,” “supporters of the enemy of the country” — spoiled, unpatriotic babies who only wanted to watch soap operas. Using our socioeconomic background as his main accusation, he sought to frame us as the direct inheritors of the mostly imagined “oligarchs” of our fathers’ generation. The students who supported Chavismo were “children of the homeland,” “sons of the people,” “the future of the country.” Not for one moment did the government’s analysis go beyond such cartoons.

The problem is not the message but the messenger, and if you don’t realize this, you will be wasting your time.

Show no contempt.

Don’t feed polarization, disarm it. This means leaving the theater of injured decency behind.

That includes rebukes such as the one the “Hamilton” cast gave Vice President-elect Mike Pence shortly after the election. While sincere, it only antagonized Trump; it surely did not convince a single Trump supporter to change his or her mind. Shaming has never been an effective method of persuasion.

The Venezuelan opposition struggled for years to get this. We wouldn’t stop pontificating about how stupid Chavismo was, not only to international friends but also to Chávez’s electoral base. “Really, this guy? Are you nuts? You must be nuts,” we’d say.

The subtext was clear: Look, idiots — he will destroy the country. He’s blatantly siding with the bad guys: Fidel Castro, Vladi­mir Putin, the white supremacists or the guerrillas. He’s not that smart. He’s threatening to destroy the economy. He has no respect for democracy or for the experts who work hard and know how to do business.

I heard so many variations on these comments growing up that my political awakening was set off by the tectonic realization that Chávez, however evil, was not actually stupid.

Neither is Trump: Getting to the highest office in the world requires not only sheer force of will but also great, calculated rhetorical precision. The kind only a few political geniuses are born with and one he flamboyantly brandishes.

“We are in a rigged system, and a big part of the rigging are these dishonest people in the media,” Trump said late in the campaign, when he was sounding the most like Chávez. “Isn’t it amazing? They don’t even want to look at you folks.” The natural conclusion is all too clear: Turn off the TV, just listen to me. The constant boos at his rallies only confirmed as much. By looking down on Trump’s supporters, you’ve lost the first battle. Instead of fighting polarization, you’ve played into it.

The worst you can do is bundle moderates and extremists together and think that America is divided between racists and liberals. That’s the textbook definition of polarization. We thought our country was split between treacherous oligarchs and Chávez’s uneducated, gullible base. The only one who benefited was Chávez.

Don’t try to force him out.

Our opposition tried every single trick in the book. Coup d’etat? Check. Ruinous oil strike? Check. Boycotting elections in hopes that international observers would intervene? You guessed it.

Look, opponents were desperate. We were right to be. But a hissy fit is not a strategy.

The people on the other side — and crucially, independents — will rebel against you if you look like you’re losing your mind. You will have proved yourself to be the very thing you’re claiming to be fighting against: an enemy of democracy. And all the while you’re giving the populist and his followers enough rhetorical fuel to rightly call you a saboteur, an unpatriotic schemer, for years to come.

To a big chunk of the population, the Venezuelan opposition is still that spoiled, unpatriotic schemer. It sapped the opposition’s effectiveness for the years when we’d need it most.

Clearly, the United States has much stronger institutions and a fairer balance of powers than Venezuela. Even out of power, Democrats have no apparent desire to try anything like a coup. Which is good. Attempting to force Trump out, rather than digging in to fight his agenda, would just distract the public from whatever failed policies the administration is making. In Venezuela, the opposition focused on trying to reject the dictator by any means possible — when we should have just kept pointing out how badly Chávez’s rule was hurting the very people he claimed to be serving.


Find a counterargument. (No, not the one you think.)

Don’t waste your time trying to prove that this grand idea is better than that one. Ditch all the big words. The problem, remember, is not the message but the messenger. It’s not that Trump supporters are too stupid to see right from wrong, it’s that you’re more valuable to them as an enemy than as a compatriot. Your challenge is to prove that you belong in the same tribe as them — that you are American in exactly the same way they are.

In Venezuela, we fell into this trap in a bad way. We wrote again and again about principles, about separation of powers, civil liberties, the role of the military in politics, corruption and economic policy. But it took opposition leaders 10 years to figure out that they needed to actually go to the slums and the countryside. Not for a speech or a rally, but for a game of dominoes or to dance salsa — to show they were Venezuelans, too, that they weren’t just dour scolds and could hit a baseball, could tell a joke that landed. That they could break the tribal divide, come down off the billboards and show that they were real. This is not populism by other means. It is the only way of establishing your standing. It’s deciding not to live in an echo chamber. To press pause on the siren song of polarization.

Because if the music keeps going, yes — you will see neighbors deported and friends of different creeds and sexual orientations living in fear and anxiety, your country’s economic inequality deepening along the way. But something worse could happen. In Venezuela, whole generations were split in two. A sense of shared culture was wiped out. Rhetoric took over our history books, our future, our own sense of self. We lost the freedom to be anything larger than cartoons.

This does not have to be your fate. You can be different. Recognize that you’re the enemy Trump requires. Show concern, not contempt, for the wounds of those who brought him to power. By all means, be patient with democracy and struggle relentlessly to free yourself from the shackles of the caricature the populists have drawn of you.

It’s a tall order. But the alternative is worse. Trust me.
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Re: The Trump Spectacle & the Corporate-Media Noise Machine

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:04 pm

peartreed » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:01 pm wrote:FWIW I find Wombaticus Rex routinely righteous in his rigorous review of the rancor ruining RI and the resulting reactions, reinvigorating a return to reason.
I support seemslikeadream in resenting and resisting reactive insults regarding her substantial and insightful submissions on the crucial issues destroying the summit of Western civilization.
The juvenile jousting from disingenuous jerks is just disjointed self-justification of their jealousy of those engendering judicious, genuine, germane journalism.
Fiercely defending freedom of the press involves invoking vigorous voices of dissent, not their venal invalidation.


No one can blame you for not reading your own stuff (an excruciating ordeal for anyone), but did you actually notice how you insulted me there while complaining about "insults" you are incapable of actually identifying? Presumably you did. But you did not have even have the minimal guts to name me while insulting me, though you did of course take special care to name-check both seemslikeadream and (as always, sycophantically) WR.

It would be superfluous to ask whether you have any actual thoughts on the actual thread-topic. Your pettifogging purpose is perfectly pobvious, pal, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with either the Trump spectacle or the corporate-media noise machine.

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