Should the CIA choose our President?

[Nordic]

CIA - 1.
Trump admin - 0

[Project Willow]

Thank you. My liberal friends have no idea whom they're aiding with their "resistance", sharing the latest WaPo and NYT articles whilst pumping their fists.

Opposing bits of information about Flynn:

Caitlin Johnstone

So you think you’re a badass, crowing about Michael Flynn’s resignation and making fun of Trump? You think you’re a rebel, spelling his name tRump like a naughty eight year old kid from the forties? It’s because “rump” means “butt”, right? Is that the gag? Be careful you don’t cut yourself on all that edge there, Lenny Bruce.

I don’t expect this article to share particularly well. Progressives are still too intimidated by their liberal friends and acquaintances to openly defy the infamous echo chamber on the social media outlets I get most of my exposure on, but this is getting intensely stupid and somebody needs to say something. The way people are championing a cause that’s also being championed by every multimillionaire on every channel on every show on every television as though they’re being in some way rebellious and counter-cultural is beyond my understanding. The resignation of a National Security Advisor (a registered Democrat, by the way) who was working against the oligarchic push toward a military confrontation with a nuclear superpower, who was one of the few people telling the truth about America’s arming of terrorists in Syria, and Democrats are singing and dancing like a bunch of Ewoks watching an exploding imperial death star.

Glen Greenwald marks the double standard of treatment of whistleblowers in how the resignation came about, but is otherwise happy with the outcome:
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14/the ... -felonies/

Nafeez Ahmed
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-trump-regime-was-manufactured-by-a-war-inside-the-deep-state-f9e757071c70#.fbgi60q3x

Lieutenant-General Mike Flynn was Trump’s National Security Advisor until his resignation on February 13 over his ties to Russia. He is a former head of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) under Obama, and a longstanding military intelligence and special operations insider. Previously, he was director of intelligence for the Joint Special Operations Command; director of intelligence for the US Central Command; commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance; chair of the Military Intelligence Board; and Assistant Director of National Intelligence. Flynn also runs Flynn Intel Group, a private intelligence consulting firm.

Flynn has just co-authored a book with Michael Ledeen, The Field of Fight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and its Allies. Ledeen is a leading neoconservative defense consultant and former Reagan administration appointee who was involved in the Iran–Contra affair as a consultant of then US National Security Advisor, Robert McFarlane. Currently a Freedom Scholar at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), he was a staunch advocate of the 2003 invasion of Iraq (he was directly involved with the Yellowcake forgeries attempting to fabricate a weapons of mass destruction threat to justify the war) and has campaigned for military interventions in Syria, Iran and beyond. Ledeen’s aggressive foreign policy vision was deeply influential in the formation of the Bush administration’s foreign policy strategy.

It’s worth noting how low Ledeen stoops with his political philosophy. In his 2000 book, Tocqueville on American Character, Ledeen argues that in some situations, “[i]n order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may have to ‘enter into evil.’” (p. 90) He even argues that this is sanctioned by the Christian God: “Since it is the highest good, the defense of the country is one of those extreme situations in which a leader is justified in committing evil.” (p. 117)
That sort of thinking has led him to endorse the ‘cauldronization’ of the Middle East. In 2002, he wrote in support of invading Iraq that: “One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please. If ever there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronized, it is the Middle East today.”

[Karmamatterz]

Thanks for posting that Nordic.

Thank you. My liberal friends have no idea whom they're aiding with their "resistance", sharing the latest WaPo and NYT articles whilst pumping their fists.

So true!

Kucinich is a liberal pointing out the obvious. Why is no one seeing this? It seems so obvious what is going on. The military/intel establishment wants a continuation of what they have had for decades. The media focuses on Flynn like we're suppose to think that is the important thing. Wrong! It's misdirection and obfuscation of what is really going on. What Kucinich said in that interview needs to be widely shared.

Wait for Kucinish to be labeled a wacko any day now. He will be marginalized and attacked for.....how dare he....speaking truth on Fox!

[Rory]

I totally expected the Shillary Kultists to embrace the beloved intelligence community wherever they went. I guess I'm surprised at the so called progressives, or left, jumping in behind the War Machine press, thinktanks, "un-named intelligence sources", who are driving the Trump attacks. We know the NYT/WaPo, etc. are vectors of deep state propaganda and yet I see them referenced and quoted with no caveats or misgivings. The enthusiasm for how the CIA might even usurp trump is quite disturbing.

[brekin]

Sigh. I know its hard when your punk rock friends are just not as punk as you.
Short of Jeff Wells as president in 2020 the pure are going to just have to get use to being a little more in the know, a little more cooler, a little more ironic as our current slide into fascism isn't quite as bad as it could be or secretly has been.

Stay super punk rock folks.

[Karmamatterz]

Plus 1 Rory.

It's downright creepy how these people are not even flinching at the thought of the NSA using its apparatus against its own citizenry. Oh the shrill screams of fascism fascism around every corner....but then when the fascist deep state uses it tech against a non-Democrat they find it acceptable. They even embrace it.

It's sick and disgusting.

[Luther Blissett]

FYI: the Intelligence Community is not the vanguard of the revolution.

[Karmamatterz]

Nordic,

Would you consider renaming this thread? There are way too many threads already using the same "seriously dangerous" meme. The Kucinich interview blows it open for most. It's almost like media literacy 101.

Thanks.

[Elvis]

who was one of the few people telling the truth about America’s arming of terrorists in Syria

That's referring to Flynn? I haven't heard that before, anyone have a citation? Maybe he just prefers regular U.S. troops to proxy fighters?

[barracuda]

Yep, the neocons are trying to steal their ball back. I find it impossible to sympathize with either side.

[semper occultus]

Opposing bits of information about Flynn:

arguably it's all congruent - Flynn appears to have a major bug up his backside about Islamic Terrorism as a "thing" - ( as apparently does the rather sinister looking/sounding Dr Gorka ) and really wants to put on the Templar outfit and saddle up alongside Erik Prince for another crusade - hence going off script about the Islamic proxies

Ledeen is a dozen or so chess moves ahead of Flynn and an obvious go-to guy to knock out some boiler-plate disinfo - whilst weeding it for anything too embarrasing before publication - basically an update of the 1970's "Terror Network" stuff - ( as if an Italian specialist spook & Mussolini-fan really believed the Red Brigades were being run from an office in Moscow )

[km artlu]

I'm wondering if the anti-Trump social justice mob understands what victory will look like? President Pence is what it'll look like.

Yay! Oops...

I think Trump has irrevocably neutered himself by folding on Flynn. The first cut is the deepest.

[Luther Blissett]

I think Pence will be implicated as either kompromat himself or as having knowledge of the communications.

[Karmamatterz]

I'm wondering if the anti-Trump social justice mob understands what victory will look like? President Pence is what it'll look like.

Yay! Oops...

I think Trump has irrevocably neutered himself by folding on Flynn. The first cut is the deepest.

What the social justice mob seems most out of touch with is that whatever replaces Trump is just a pig with different shade of lipstick. The drumbeat of the MilIntel complex marches on no matter who occupies the White House. They just won't admit that because it's fun (Wheeeee!) to have a president in office that talks the talk and makes them feel good. Meanwhile shenanigans continue with whatever chessmatch is going on for global hegemony.

Not that I care less about Trump and his cronies, but yeah, was a dumb move to cave to pressure. Trump has been the schoolyard bully so why back down? Perhaps there was something about Flynn's private story they did not like. Hard to say and nobody including the publishers of fake news which include the New York Times and Washington Post will never tell us the truth....because they will likely never know either.

In the meantime, anybody and everybody in Trumps team better watch what they say via email, text, social media and phone calls because Big Brother is listening and recording all. Piss off the wrong life long intel chief and they will come back and bite you in the ass. As long as you play nice you never have to worry about all your privacy being invaded. Just say yes master I will conform.

“War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.”

[brekin]

I'm wondering if the anti-Trump social justice mob understands what victory will look like? President Pence is what it'll look like.

Yay! Oops...
I think Trump has irrevocably neutered himself by folding on Flynn. The first cut is the deepest.

What the social justice mob seems most out of touch with is that whatever replaces Trump is just a pig with different shade of lipstick. The drumbeat of the MilIntel complex marches on no matter who occupies the White House. They just won't admit that because it's fun (Wheeeee!) to have a president in office that talks the talk and makes them feel good. Meanwhile shenanigans continue with whatever chessmatch is going on for global hegemony.

Not that I care less about Trump and his cronies, but yeah, was a dumb move to cave to pressure. Trump has been the schoolyard bully so why back down? Perhaps there was something about Flynn's private story they did not like. Hard to say and nobody including the publishers of fake news which include the New York Times and Washington Post will never tell us the truth....because they will likely never know either.
...

Surely, people have learned that there are pigs, and then there are pigs, and the shades of lipstick are much more varied than believed?
Trump has only been in office for how long? And look at the disruption to peoples lives and futures, and the day by day insecurity he has wrought. Sorry, but if your not paying attention because you are outraged, you need to start differentiating between reality and the "illuminati always wins!!" script. Are people really believing there is no difference between say Jimmy Carter and Trump and everybody in between? Trump's cabinet and past cabinets? Trump's preferred media pundits and past? (And there are scarier things than the CIA, like say a private right wing industrialist owned CIA (Blackwater) or the FSB.) If people are thinking recent events are not scary as hell and getting scarier I can only surmise two things.

1. They can't differentiate between present events in comparison to past events because of a master narrative that smooths out all differences.
2. They are embracing the gathering darkness in a pose that they are above it because they think they understand it more deeply because they have over simplified it.

Sorry, but both are fool hardy.
If you believe that all the ptb are orchestrating a system to crush the populace like empty beer cans then that is the same as saying that Trump is the default, average, typical operating system for almost everyone in government. Statistically that is just wrong.