Should the CIA choose our President?

[Burnt Hill]

My liberal friends feel they must resist Trump and what he represents,
regardless of the concerns expressed above,
at least at this point.
What would you suggest they do?

[brekin]

My liberal friends feel they must resist Trump and what he represents,
regardless of the concerns expressed above,
at least at this point.
What would you suggest they do?

To who(m) are you referring?
Or is this a general s.o.s.?

[Burnt Hill]

Where are those happy days they seem to hard to find?
I try to reach for you. but you have closed my mind
Whatever happened to our love? I wish I understood
It used to be so nice. It used to be so good

[SonicG]

I have no illusions about anything that is going on, but Kucinich's position:

“And I tell you there's a marching band and Chowder Society out there. There's gold in them there hills,” he said. “There are people trying to separate the U.S. and Russia so that this military industrial intel axis can cash in.”

Kucinich added the intelligence community could start a war to succeed.

“There’s a game going on inside the intelligence community where there are those who want to separate the U.S. from Russia in a way that would reignite the Cold War,” he said.

I just cannot get behind the false equivalency that somehow Trump really represents some anti-war, anti-neo-con, anti-military position. If, Allah forbid, he were to meet with an untimely demise, will people be spinning him like Kennedy as some great rider on a white horse against the CIA and false-flag military involvement?
If it is all "fake news" and intelligence agency disinfo., then let them all put up or shut-up. Show the proof, show the transcripts....ask the current crop of greasy WH fucks if it is true under oath. If not, then lets get on with the bloody business of dismantling what is left of the regulatory institutions in the US...

[Nordic]

My liberal friends feel they must resist Trump and what he represents,
regardless of the concerns expressed above,
at least at this point.
What would you suggest they do?

I would suggest they learn just what the fuck they're supporting.

They're supporting a politburo of anonymous Spooks deciding who should be the president. The end game is no more elections at all. They're a huge waste of time and money when the Deep State is gonna make sure the right people get the gig anyway.

They are also supporting war with Russia and the deaths of millions of people, perhaps even themselves.

Doesn't get much more brain-dead stupid than that.

Think about it -- Michael Moore is now hysterically supporting the CIA in their quest to overthrow an elected president.

We have jumped the shark as a culture and a country.

Maybe it's the fluoride in the water.

[Nordic]

SonicG wrote:

I just cannot get behind the false equivalency that somehow Trump really represents some anti-war, anti-neo-con, anti-military position. If, Allah forbid, he were to meet with an untimely demise, will people be spinning him like Kennedy as some great rider on a white horse against the CIA and false-flag military involvement?

This is because you cannot think in any way other than binary.

[Grizzly]

Also,

In Scathing Attack, CIA Director Brennan Warns Trump To "Watch What He Says"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-1 ... at-he-says

[Elvis]

So now I should like Trump because the CIA doesn't?

If I resist Trump, I'm supporting the CIA?

Nordic, you're the greatest, and I wish you'd stop getting suspended because then I miss you. But did you hear Miller say that Trump's executive power "will not be questioned"? These guys are going for a total authoritarian power grab and they could achieve it in a few weeks. Sadly, many 'Murkins think that's just what the country needs. Maybe the courts will stop the Trump Gang—maybe not. Somebody has to stop them.

Should the CIA choose our President?

Don't they usually?

[Grizzly]

The Yankee and Cowboy War Paperback – December, 1977
by Carl Oglesby

[Elvis]

Right on, Grizzly.



And as Ruth Benedict wrote in Patterns of Culture, "no civilization has in it any element which in the last analysis is not the contribution of an individual."

We need the right kind of deviant to emerge, but for Pete's sake, not a Trump!

[Karmamatterz]

SonicG wrote:

I just cannot get behind the false equivalency that somehow Trump really represents some anti-war, anti-neo-con, anti-military position. If, Allah forbid, he were to meet with an untimely demise, will people be spinning him like Kennedy as some great rider on a white horse against the CIA and false-flag military involvement?


This is because you cannot think in any way other than binary.

Double thanks Nordic. Spot on.

Iam, no absolutely does not mean you have to support Trump just because the CIA or entire Mil/Tel deep creeps are after him or any sitting president. Take a step back and look at the big picture. We should not want any of the MilTel spooks interefering at all. That is not their job or duty.

Oh, glad the thread name was changed also.

[SonicG]

SonicG wrote:

I just cannot get behind the false equivalency that somehow Trump really represents some anti-war, anti-neo-con, anti-military position. If, Allah forbid, he were to meet with an untimely demise, will people be spinning him like Kennedy as some great rider on a white horse against the CIA and false-flag military involvement?

This is because you cannot think in any way other than binary.

Right...I am sure that is it...or isn't it...

[Project Willow]

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1) Trump presidency is dangerous.
2) CIA/DeepState abuse of spy powers to subvert elected Govt is dangerous.

One can cogently believe both.

[82_28]

Nordic, what is Michael Moore doing "hysterically"? He has been blamed for doing such all his career. I have yet to see any evidence. Bowling For Columbine was spot on. He nailed the culture of that part of Denver. How do I know? Experience. Grew up there and shit. MM fully covered everything with deep aplomb. His only fault is that he is a leftist millionaire. Which is a "like" in my book. Nothing about what he said was untrue about Littleton. It all added up.

[Project Willow]

So now I should like Trump because the CIA doesn't?

If I resist Trump, I'm supporting the CIA?

Who said that? Are you buying into everything the media publishes about Trump or are you more discerning? My liberal friends are whipped into an hysterical frenzy and aren't thinking clearly at all. They will do whatever they are told. It's frightening.

Nordic, you're the greatest, and I wish you'd stop getting suspended because then I miss you. But did you hear Miller say that Trump's executive power "will not be questioned"? These guys are going for a total authoritarian power grab and they could achieve it in a few weeks. Sadly, many 'Murkins think that's just what the country needs. Maybe the courts will stop the Trump Gang—maybe not. Somebody has to stop them.

The executive powers he's using were built up over the last few decades, apace through Bush and Obama. Yes, as long at its civilian government we're dealing with there may be means to resist, like through the courts, but what instrument do we have to contend with the CIA? None. That's the point. Once they are openly in power, it's curtains, as the Zappa quote suggested.

It looks like that project is well underway with Homeland Security taking over elections and limiting recounts, etc.