Karmamatterz, if you're going to use the quote function, do you mind getting straight who actually said which part of what follows the attribution? Because JackRiddler did not "wrote" quite what follows in your post. Do it with the boxes, please. Thanks.
I hadn't noticed if you were and I wasn't responding to you.
What many people can’t seem to shake is the binary thinking. The hysterics that are infecting so many people seem to make them unable to realize that perhaps there are some people who find the idea of the CIA, FBI, NSA etc having any say in who are elected officials should be rather unsavory. It’s actually revolting.
So what's your point? That what, I don't? I find the existence of these entities revolting, and I daresay this board is half-predicated on the idea that they are revolting by definition and should not exist.
I don't think you read what I wrote above, or dada's response. But that's okay.
I could care less that it’s Trump.
That's because you're paying attention to the one evil and letting this one fly right over your head. But maybe you're not one of the Mexicans, Muslims, black people, women, minimum wage slaves or others who are going to get hit first, I don't know.
In any case, what dada said, and what I said above. No one here's cheering for or supporting the CIA/etc. to depose anyone, and no one here gets a choice about what the CIA/etc. does. And therefore no one here's responsible for it either.
No matter how much many of us think Trump is awful and could really make a mess of things, he was elected.
After a fashion, sure. Given the Republican voter suppression machinery created and refined over recent decades. Given the corporate media star system that awarded the nomination to Trump by brute coverage prior to any primaries. Given the dead hand of 1787, etc. So? He was elected, in part illegitimately, and he can be brought down, by entirely legitimate means. And that is what I hope: That he and his NYNJ gangster friends and his corporate pirate-billionaire cabinet and his sick Christofanatic allies will be exposed for the criminals they are -- and yes, it's too bad that did not happen with the predecessor criminals, I agree, but that's no reason to miss this rare golden opportunity. His toxic actions and his evil life will catch up with him, the opposition will become great enough -- and I mean the democratic opposition in the street, not the shenanigans of the spooks -- he will become politically unsustainable, and he will be thrown out of office. Peacefully. Or else he'll weather it. Why should you not wish for that democratic and legitimate outcome, that this fucking beast should fall?
And if instead he is done in by the CIA etc., okay fine, that's not good, but it also won't be anything that I wished for, or caused to happen, will it now? And the danger of it isn't a reason not to fight against the coming-to-power of white nationalist fascist war monger Christofanatics who want to watch the world burn, is it now?
The danger of it, in fact, is minuscule. Whether by incompetence or some byzantine plan (I'm betting on incompetence in this case), the Russian influence bullshit is pretty much Trump's best lifeline. It's the thing that makes him look most honest and (implausibly enough) like a real victim. It's a distraction from the actual election rigging by voter suppression and corporate media star system. It's a distraction from the incredibly dangerous and bellicose and militaristic stance the Trump regime is intentionally producing.
And it's highly unlikely to work. It's a very dangerous move by irresponsible spooks and Clintonist operators that could taint opposition to Trump -- exactly what we see attempted in miniature on this shit-show of a thread started by someone who actually is a Trump supporter.
Okay? Thanks.
I’m curious how far you would be willing to go to get the president removed? To say the president should be brought down because he can be is creepy and fascist.
See above. Large-scale protests, general strike, civil disobedience, non-violent rendering impossible of business as usual. You know, the kind of thing that actually works.
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