What is #Pizzagate?

[Searcher08]

Confusionism -- logic and evidence replaced by impressionistic, slanted associations, connections by insinuations, paradigms by partisan fantasy. It destroys any chance of truth and leaves only whoever is most powerful in charge of any given situation -- the boot stamping on the face, as it were. Confusionism serves power. Confuisonism serves establishments, such as the U.S. capitalist-neoliberal establishment to which Trump and the Clintons belong equally.

This of course is exactly what the paid FBI informant and pedophile network member Jack Riddler intends.* Please don't contribute to that.

* - I have no evidence whatsoever for making or even conceiving the assertion in the italicized sentence. Of course, if the accusation were true, I would also have no evidence of it, since I have no access to the mind or computer or even the identity of the Jack Riddler entity. Therefore, applying the logic advocated by the Jack Riddler entity above, my baseless assertion merits serious consideration, given the complete lack of evidence. It is highly irresponsible and close-minded of people to dismiss it and to make fun of the means by which it was divined.

A reminder (again) that The Finders were based in Washington, w/other locations in surrounding communities. Their bust, 30 years ago, was only because they were found out and the press picked it up. The case was suddenly dropped and forgotten like it never happened, but it did; I remember it well. Who were their children, and why doubt that there are now, existing in and around Washington, other, more sophisticated groups that traffic children?

An informed piece of speculation but provides absolutely no basis for the "pizzagate" big-lie generated by the Alt-Right/Nazilite scene so as to selectively target Democrats with a child abuse smear (and avoiding the Epstein story or anything else that includes Trump). You can't just pick up the Washington phone book and decide whatever name you find is this possible successor organization to the Finders (I'm not saying that is your methodology, it's the methodology of "pizzagate," except they're not using the phone book but decided to punch some Democrats, liberals, and performance artists).

Normally I complain about thread proliferation but here we see the "Pizzagate" thread absorbing completely unrelated stuff -- as WR noted above, it will just keep swallowing all this old and unrelated news. In the process, it will also serve to discredit real stories by association. Not just stories about child abuse, but also stories about the Podesta e-mails. Any mention of this valuable source of information is now tainted by association with the fantastic lie fabricated from within the Alt-Right/Nazilite scene. That means the actually interesting stuff in the Podesta and DNC mails (about the DNC and Clinton campaign rigging and cheating against Sanders) is also tainted and obscured. This is confusionism -- logic and evidence replaced by impressionistic, slanted associations, connections by insinuations, paradigms by partisan fantasy. It destroys any chance of truth and leaves only whoever is most powerful in charge of any given situation -- the boot stamping on the face, as it were. Confusionism serves power. Confuisonism serves establishments, such as the U.S. capitalist-neoliberal establishment to which Trump and the Clintons belong equally.

This of course is exactly what the paid FBI informant and pedophile network member Searcher08 intends.* Please don't contribute to that.

* - I have no evidence whatsoever for making or even conceiving the assertion in the italicized sentence. Of course, if the accusation were true, I would also have no evidence of it, since I have no access to the mind or computer or even the identity of the Searcher08 entity. Therefore, applying the logic advocated by the Searcher08 entity above, my baseless assertion merits serious consideration, given the complete lack of evidence. It is highly irresponsible and close-minded of people to dismiss it and to make fun of the means by which it was divined.

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[Cordelia]

My methodology was inattention-ism, since I was responding to

Luther Blissett » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:20 am wrote:Any survivors, victims, or parents whose took their children out for pizza one day and lost them yet? No?

which was deemed relevant but I neglected to add the quote. My bad.

There are plenty of at-risk children (as listed by Searcher08) and institutions willing to turn a blind eye. Penn State's Sandusky recruiting victims into his charitable 'Second Mile', the Catholic Church, as examples. Victims come forward years later. Hence, the reference to The Finders, because it was specifically a Washington-based group and, regardless of the credibility of the Martinez memos, there were real children found, reported and documented.

[divideandconquer]

@JR
Your analysis of the data is based on inaccurate assumptions, reeks of mendacity and is just flat out wrong. Seriously, if you are going to attempt to pontificate using statistics, don't parade a pisspoor piece of work, and then repeat it later. Inspect the data, please? This is confirmation bias personified, with added charts - a tedious faux "analysis" at the level of rigor from Buzzfeed windbaggery. What's next? Are you going to graduate to "50 Reasons why Trump is going to gas us!" "10 Reasons Nazis are coming for yer Mom" "20 Techniques for punching Nazis without breaking your nails!"?

Epstein has had a cyclical attention profile in the US and the UK for years. Epstein's profile was actually tailing off steeply *before* Pizzagate arrived.
James Patterson had a best selling book on Epstein. Might have had something to do with it?

The repetition of your mendacious nonsense doesn't make it anything different. Perhaps a remedial course in data analysis might help? Meanwhile, in the post :
There were three "Nazi" and two "Alt" references in just a couple of paragraphs, well done on the virtue-signalling! BUT you let your self down by not having some Copy Pasta, and the lack of inclusion of [racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic] epithets was... problematic. Just calm down, think of Shia and repeat...He Will Not Divide! Us He will Not Divide Us!.

@Luther
You have been saying in this thread "Show me the victims. What are their names? Who is missing?"

A scenario to consider:
What if there are victims that "do not have names"? Because they are too young
What if there are not families "to come forward"? Because they are dead
What if children were not missed? Because their community had more essential things to do?

As a thought exercise, which route offers potentially the greatest safety / return on investment for a pedo network in the 21st century?
Abduction / abuse from within the US care system / runaways / institutions (Boy Scouts etc)
or
Children from war / disaster zones taken under top level Pol-supported rushed 'adoption programs' ?
There were over 700 orphanages in Haiti
From Wiki

An estimated three million people were affected by the quake.[10] Death toll estimates range from 100,000[6] to about 160,000

Many countries responded to appeals for humanitarian aid, pledging funds and dispatching rescue and medical teams, engineers and support personnel. Communication systems, air, land, and sea transport facilities, hospitals, and electrical networks had been damaged by the earthquake, which hampered rescue and aid efforts; confusion over who was in charge, air traffic congestion, and problems with prioritisation of flights further complicated early relief work. Port-au-Prince's morgues were overwhelmed with tens of thousands of bodies. These had to be buried in mass graves.[20]

This is the environment that Laura Silsby was operating in. Hilary Clinton took a personal interest in what she was doing.

The original is fully sourced:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611

Hillary Clinton was sent email updates on the prosecution of Laura Silsby, who was caught trafficking children in Haiti. Laura Silsby was got off the hook by Jorge Puello, who was later convicted of sex trafficking, and was wanted on charges of sex trafficking in four countries. Additional source. Izette Folger, a close friend of James Alefantis, gave a statement in support of Silsby. Folger is the daughter of Michael Maccoby, who gave an emphatic and lengthy statement of support for Comet during a contentious neighborhood commission meeting. The relevant portion of the audio file starts at 31:40. Maccoby coaches leaders of Nuestros Pequeños Hermanos, or NPH, a large organization that runs orphanages all over the world. His son, Max Maccoby, is on the Boards of Directors of an NPH orphanage called Friends of the Orphans, which is one of 760 orphanages operating in Haiti, and happens to be the orphanage from which Silsby was caught trafficking children.

There is something that stinks at the dark heart of Pizzagate, and the drive-by cognitive crop spraying attempt by Mr "OMG! the Alt Right! Nazis!!! Trump! Charts!" Hysteria isn't masking it.

From: September 29, 2015 World Bank, Accenture Call for Universal ID:

In a report issued in collaboration with Accenture, the World Bank is calling on governments to work together to implement standardized, cost-effective identity management solutions.

A report synopsis notes that about 1.8 billion adults around the world currently lack any kind of official documentation.

I take it that number does not include children. Not to mention, I'm sure there are millions and millions of documented children that if they were to disappear off the face of the earth, no one would take notice.

My brother-in-law attended Jerry Sandusky's football camp as a boy and he remembers that, on occasion, there were a few "invisible" young boys hanging around Sandusky that didn't look like they belonged to anyone. "Invisible", because they were very quiet--never said a word-- and didn't participate. One time, my brother-in-law said he forgot something and when he went back to retrieve it he saw a rich looking white guy pick up two of these kids. Even at the time, he thought that was a little strange because this guy was clearly not their father. At the time, he didn't know enough to think that anything nefarious was going on...just that it looked kind of strange.

[Searcher08]

@JR
Your analysis of the data is based on inaccurate assumptions, reeks of mendacity and is just flat out wrong. Seriously, if you are going to attempt to pontificate using statistics, don't parade a pisspoor piece of work, and then repeat it later. Inspect the data, please? This is confirmation bias personified, with added charts - a tedious faux "analysis" at the level of rigor from Buzzfeed windbaggery. What's next? Are you going to graduate to "50 Reasons why Trump is going to gas us!" "10 Reasons Nazis are coming for yer Mom" "20 Techniques for punching Nazis without breaking your nails!"?

Epstein has had a cyclical attention profile in the US and the UK for years. Epstein's profile was actually tailing off steeply *before* Pizzagate arrived.
James Patterson had a best selling book on Epstein. Might have had something to do with it?

The repetition of your mendacious nonsense doesn't make it anything different. Perhaps a remedial course in data analysis might help? Meanwhile, in the post :
There were three "Nazi" and two "Alt" references in just a couple of paragraphs, well done on the virtue-signalling! BUT you let your self down by not having some Copy Pasta, and the lack of inclusion of [racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic] epithets was... problematic. Just calm down, think of Shia and repeat...He Will Not Divide! Us He will Not Divide Us!.

@Luther
You have been saying in this thread "Show me the victims. What are their names? Who is missing?"

A scenario to consider:
What if there are victims that "do not have names"? Because they are too young
What if there are not families "to come forward"? Because they are dead
What if children were not missed? Because their community had more essential things to do?

As a thought exercise, which route offers potentially the greatest safety / return on investment for a pedo network in the 21st century?
Abduction / abuse from within the US care system / runaways / institutions (Boy Scouts etc)
or
Children from war / disaster zones taken under top level Pol-supported rushed 'adoption programs' ?
There were over 700 orphanages in Haiti
From Wiki

An estimated three million people were affected by the quake.[10] Death toll estimates range from 100,000[6] to about 160,000

Many countries responded to appeals for humanitarian aid, pledging funds and dispatching rescue and medical teams, engineers and support personnel. Communication systems, air, land, and sea transport facilities, hospitals, and electrical networks had been damaged by the earthquake, which hampered rescue and aid efforts; confusion over who was in charge, air traffic congestion, and problems with prioritisation of flights further complicated early relief work. Port-au-Prince's morgues were overwhelmed with tens of thousands of bodies. These had to be buried in mass graves.[20]

This is the environment that Laura Silsby was operating in. Hilary Clinton took a personal interest in what she was doing.

The original is fully sourced:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611

Hillary Clinton was sent email updates on the prosecution of Laura Silsby, who was caught trafficking children in Haiti. Laura Silsby was got off the hook by Jorge Puello, who was later convicted of sex trafficking, and was wanted on charges of sex trafficking in four countries. Additional source. Izette Folger, a close friend of James Alefantis, gave a statement in support of Silsby. Folger is the daughter of Michael Maccoby, who gave an emphatic and lengthy statement of support for Comet during a contentious neighborhood commission meeting. The relevant portion of the audio file starts at 31:40. Maccoby coaches leaders of Nuestros Pequeños Hermanos, or NPH, a large organization that runs orphanages all over the world. His son, Max Maccoby, is on the Boards of Directors of an NPH orphanage called Friends of the Orphans, which is one of 760 orphanages operating in Haiti, and happens to be the orphanage from which Silsby was caught trafficking children.

There is something that stinks at the dark heart of Pizzagate, and the drive-by cognitive crop spraying attempt by Mr "OMG! the Alt Right! Nazis!!! Trump! Charts!" Hysteria isn't masking it.

From: September 29, 2015 World Bank, Accenture Call for Universal ID:

In a report issued in collaboration with Accenture, the World Bank is calling on governments to work together to implement standardized, cost-effective identity management solutions.

A report synopsis notes that about 1.8 billion adults around the world currently lack any kind of official documentation.

I take it that number does not include children. Not to mention, I'm sure there are millions and millions of documented children that if they were to disappear off the face of the earth, no one would take notice.

My brother-in-law attended Jerry Sandusky's football camp as a boy and he remembers that, on occasion, there were a few "invisible" young boys hanging around Sandusky that didn't look like they belonged to anyone. "Invisible", because they were very quiet--never said a word-- and didn't participate. One time, my brother-in-law said he forgot something and when he went back to retrieve it he saw a rich looking white guy pick up two of these kids. Even at the time, he thought that was a little strange because this guy was clearly not their father. At the time, he didn't know enough to think that anything nefarious was going on...just that it looked kind of strange.

Cheers, @divideandconquer
Thank you for that story about your brother-in-law. It was absolutely chilling

[elfismiles]

Have any FINDERS victims ever come forward; all these years later?

Guess they have perfect Wetwork cleanup crews.

I agree, there are tremendous amounts of potential "invisible victims" out there ... I just want more rigor - especially with theories coming mainly from such fundy conspiracy circles.

My methodology was inattention-ism, since I was responding to

Luther Blissett » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:20 am wrote:Any survivors, victims, or parents whose took their children out for pizza one day and lost them yet? No?

which was deemed relevant but I neglected to add the quote. My bad.

There are plenty of at-risk children (as listed by Searcher08) and institutions willing to turn a blind eye. Penn State's Sandusky recruiting victims into his charitable 'Second Mile', the Catholic Church, as examples. Victims come forward years later. Hence, the reference to The Finders, because it was specifically a Washington-based group and, regardless of the credibility of the Martinez memos, there were real children found, reported and documented.

[Iamwhomiam]

Just wanted to mention that Jerry Sandusky's adopted son was arrested and has been charged with sexually abusing two teen-aged sisters, the daughters of his girlfriend whom he lived with.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Sanduskys-son-arrested-on-child-porn-sexual-assault-charges.html

[Searcher08]

FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds Testifies that FBI is in Possesion of Dennis Hastert Rape Videos

[divideandconquer]

@JR
Your analysis of the data is based on inaccurate assumptions, reeks of mendacity and is just flat out wrong. Seriously, if you are going to attempt to pontificate using statistics, don't parade a pisspoor piece of work, and then repeat it later. Inspect the data, please? This is confirmation bias personified, with added charts - a tedious faux "analysis" at the level of rigor from Buzzfeed windbaggery. What's next? Are you going to graduate to "50 Reasons why Trump is going to gas us!" "10 Reasons Nazis are coming for yer Mom" "20 Techniques for punching Nazis without breaking your nails!"?

Epstein has had a cyclical attention profile in the US and the UK for years. Epstein's profile was actually tailing off steeply *before* Pizzagate arrived.
James Patterson had a best selling book on Epstein. Might have had something to do with it?

The repetition of your mendacious nonsense doesn't make it anything different. Perhaps a remedial course in data analysis might help? Meanwhile, in the post :
There were three "Nazi" and two "Alt" references in just a couple of paragraphs, well done on the virtue-signalling! BUT you let your self down by not having some Copy Pasta, and the lack of inclusion of [racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic] epithets was... problematic. Just calm down, think of Shia and repeat...He Will Not Divide! Us He will Not Divide Us!.

@Luther
You have been saying in this thread "Show me the victims. What are their names? Who is missing?"

A scenario to consider:
What if there are victims that "do not have names"? Because they are too young
What if there are not families "to come forward"? Because they are dead
What if children were not missed? Because their community had more essential things to do?

As a thought exercise, which route offers potentially the greatest safety / return on investment for a pedo network in the 21st century?
Abduction / abuse from within the US care system / runaways / institutions (Boy Scouts etc)
or
Children from war / disaster zones taken under top level Pol-supported rushed 'adoption programs' ?
There were over 700 orphanages in Haiti
From Wiki

An estimated three million people were affected by the quake.[10] Death toll estimates range from 100,000[6] to about 160,000

Many countries responded to appeals for humanitarian aid, pledging funds and dispatching rescue and medical teams, engineers and support personnel. Communication systems, air, land, and sea transport facilities, hospitals, and electrical networks had been damaged by the earthquake, which hampered rescue and aid efforts; confusion over who was in charge, air traffic congestion, and problems with prioritisation of flights further complicated early relief work. Port-au-Prince's morgues were overwhelmed with tens of thousands of bodies. These had to be buried in mass graves.[20]

This is the environment that Laura Silsby was operating in. Hilary Clinton took a personal interest in what she was doing.

The original is fully sourced:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611

Hillary Clinton was sent email updates on the prosecution of Laura Silsby, who was caught trafficking children in Haiti. Laura Silsby was got off the hook by Jorge Puello, who was later convicted of sex trafficking, and was wanted on charges of sex trafficking in four countries. Additional source. Izette Folger, a close friend of James Alefantis, gave a statement in support of Silsby. Folger is the daughter of Michael Maccoby, who gave an emphatic and lengthy statement of support for Comet during a contentious neighborhood commission meeting. The relevant portion of the audio file starts at 31:40. Maccoby coaches leaders of Nuestros Pequeños Hermanos, or NPH, a large organization that runs orphanages all over the world. His son, Max Maccoby, is on the Boards of Directors of an NPH orphanage called Friends of the Orphans, which is one of 760 orphanages operating in Haiti, and happens to be the orphanage from which Silsby was caught trafficking children.

There is something that stinks at the dark heart of Pizzagate, and the drive-by cognitive crop spraying attempt by Mr "OMG! the Alt Right! Nazis!!! Trump! Charts!" Hysteria isn't masking it.

From: September 29, 2015 World Bank, Accenture Call for Universal ID:

In a report issued in collaboration with Accenture, the World Bank is calling on governments to work together to implement standardized, cost-effective identity management solutions.

A report synopsis notes that about 1.8 billion adults around the world currently lack any kind of official documentation.

I take it that number does not include children. Not to mention, I'm sure there are millions and millions of documented children that if they were to disappear off the face of the earth, no one would take notice.

My brother-in-law attended Jerry Sandusky's football camp as a boy and he remembers that, on occasion, there were a few "invisible" young boys hanging around Sandusky that didn't look like they belonged to anyone. "Invisible", because they were very quiet--never said a word-- and didn't participate. One time, my brother-in-law said he forgot something and when he went back to retrieve it he saw a rich looking white guy pick up two of these kids. Even at the time, he thought that was a little strange because this guy was clearly not their father. At the time, he didn't know enough to think that anything nefarious was going on...just that it looked kind of strange.

Cheers, @divideandconquer
Thank you for that story about your brother-in-law. It was absolutely chilling

Just to be clear, I changed the relation of this person to me (not my brother-in-law, but another relation). Moreover, this happened about 30 years ago and he was too far away to see the face of this man clearly. He knew he was rich by the car he drove and the way he was dressed. In other words, he had no idea who this man was.

Sorry.... I'm that paranoid, especially when it's not my story to tell.

[JackRiddler]

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We can all invent any plausible scenario for things we cannot see, including crimes that can be committed without leaving a public trace, and it's reasonable to assume such crimes are out there. The possibilities for invention are literally infinite, including of plausible scenarios, as fiction demonstrates. Speculations are worthy and allowable, insofar as they might lead one to look in places where one might begin to find evidence, and as long as it is understood that they are speculations until forms of confirmation are found.

The "PG" operation, hatched within the Alt-Right/Nazilite milieu and sold to the naive/stubborn conspiracy merchandise target demographic (who still somehow seriously listen to Alex Jones et al.), does not give a shit about any of that. They invent a highly specific scenario. They fabricate evidence for it whole-cloth by pretending innocuous phrases are a code they alone have guessed. They do so with a transparent and consistent purpose in mind: to demonize specific Democratic figures, in the classic pattern of Republican scandal-mongering, and to keep the patsies lining up for more material, no matter how baseless. It is an attempted assertion of power in a game of defining reality strictly according to one's agenda objectives, and it is accompanied with the smoke and mirrors of bottomless sophistry. It is also targeting and trying to exploit real-victim populations who know that stuff like this actually exists, and welcome seeing a public discussion about it. If it happens to discredit all related stories, tough shit. One can always hit the lottery with such fabrications and turn out to have guessed something right (not that anything of the sort has emerged in this case).

In short this is a very poorly written Wiki-novel with an entirely fabricated connection to supposed reality, and it originates as a scruple-free power move from within a Nazilite milieu, which has its defenders and enablers on this board as well. Given the willingness to speculate, obviously there is a much better evidentiary basis for speculating that these defenders and enablers are motivated by partisan belief or allegiance (I'd guess, above all, to commit what they think are transgressions against some enemy image they have of "the left" or similar). And they will literally say anything and of course resort early to presenting themselves as the victimized.

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[seemslikeadream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqAO6kUeaV8


I didn't watch it ...does it mention trumpty dumbty and his Russian mob pedophile managers?

.......
Intelligence & Espionage • News
Donald Trump, Russian Mafia & US Intelligence Secrets

However, more important to this story are Trump’s connections to the international prostitution ring allegedly financed from questionable sources from Russia; sources close to Putin himself.

Trump & The Russian Mafia

In 2010 the founding chairman of Bayrock, Tevfik Arif, who has reputed Russian organized crime ties was charged in Turkey for smuggling underage girls into the country for prostitution. Another principal in the deal is Russian émigré Tamir Sapir, who also lives in Trump Tower.

As reported by Turkish News,

A New York real estate mogul with ties to Donald Trump is at the center of an international sex scandal – suspected of running a high-priced prostitution ring.

Tevfik Arif, 57, has been detained in Turkey on suspicion of setting up trysts between wealthy businessmen and Eastern European models – some underage – aboard a $60 million yacht once used by the nation’s founder, Mustafa Ataturk

.......
http://greatgameindia.com/donald-trump- ... e-secrets/

Kazakh-born Soviet official turned real estate tycoon (), Tevfik Arif ran Bayrock/Sapir out of Trump Tower. Sater worked for him.

Alexander Litvinenko poisoned after blogging on Vladimir Putin being a pedophile





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[Cordelia]

Have any FINDERS victims ever come forward; all these years later?

Guess they have perfect Wetwork cleanup crews.

I agree, there are tremendous amounts of potential "invisible victims" out there ... I just want more rigor - especially with theories coming mainly from such fundy conspiracy circles.

Why should they (or any victims) have to 'come forward' so as not to be dismissed with sarcasm? But I guess whatever were the early life experiences of the six (found) Finders children, who are now adults, they should now be discarded because they weren't publicly named and/or haven't written books, been on t.v., or something.

The case was buried. I don't like to use up space with copy/pasting full articles (esp. one not 'useful or relevant' to this thread), but, from the conspiracy desk of the disdained NYT of 30 years ago:

INQUIRY SPREADS ON 6 CHILDREN AND CULT

By RICHARD HALLORAN, Special to the New York Times

Published: February 8, 1987

WASHINGTON, Feb. 7— Police officials here said today that six disheveled children found in Tallahassee, Fla., might be the offspring of members of a little-known cult, but the officials said they had not ruled out the possibility of kidnapping.

Police officials in Tallahassee said today that the children were moved from a shelter because of telephoned threats received there, The Associated Press reported.

Capt. William White 3d, a spokesman for the District of Columbia Police Department, said, ''At this point, it appears that those children are the children of members of this group.'' He was referring to members of a cult known as the Finders, who have occupied at least two buildings here.

But Captain White added, ''We haven't ruled out any possibilities.'' Children Found in Florida

He declined to speculate on what the possibilities might be but other police officials said they included kidnapping or some type of international market for children.

The children, two girls and four boys 2 to 7 years old, were discovered in a Tallahassee playground on Thursday. Two men, Douglas Edward Zimmerman, 27 years old, and Michael Houlihan, 28, were arrested in the case and charged with child abuse.

Subsequently, the police here obtained warrants to search a house in Northwest Washington and a warehouse in Northeast Washington, both believed to have been occupied by the Finders. Captain White said they had seized boxes of records, documents and computer programs.

''We have a very long, tedious process of reviewing this material ahead of us,'' the captain said.

Detectives in the investigation said the review would require the weekend at least. The detectives said that they had begun to doubt that child pornography was involved. However, he said that the evidence indicated that children were involved in rituals. They declined to comment on reports that the Finders were worshipers of the devil.

According to the A.P., the authorities have received a memorandum from a man who said he owns the Washington house asserting that the children were on a vacation trip in Florida with the approval of their mothers. A spokesman for Joseph diGenova, the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, declined to comment on the memo, the A.P. said. Search Also Made in Virginia

In neighboring Virginia, the authorities said they had completed their part in the investigation by searching five places in Madison County where members of the group were said to have occupied farms and homes.

Lieut. J. P. Henries of the Madison County Sheriff's Office said, ''No obvious new evidence of criminal activity was found.''

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has also been called into the case. Police officials here suggested that whatever legal action might arise from the case would be in Federal rather than in local courts because it appeared that the children had been transported across state lines in possible violation of Federal laws.

Captain White said the district police had been unable to identify the children or their parents. ''We're trying to find the parents,'' he said.

Captain White said that other people who might be related to the children were also being sought, but he declined to give details.

The Police Department spokesman said no further arrests were expected. ----Threats Force Move TALLAHASSEE, Fla., Feb. 7 (AP) -The six children were moved from a shelter after officials there received telephone calls threatening to the children, the police said today.

The children were moved to a site that was undisclosed and were being protected by armed guards after a half-dozen threats were telephoned Friday night to a temporary shelter in Tallahassee, according to a police spokesman, Scott Hunt.

Mr. Hunt said the Finders cult might have been accustomed to selling or smuggling the children of its members out of the country.

The two men found with the children at a playground remained in the Leon County Jail today, charged with one count each of felony child abuse and held in lieu of $100,000 bond each.

The children, who had not been bathed in several days when they were found, had insect bites and had not been fed in more than a day. Investigators said the children appeared to be ignorant of such daily conveniences as hot water and electricity.

Photo of a warehouse in Northeast Washington believed to have been occupied by the Finders (AP)

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/08/us/in ... -cult.html

[Wombaticus Rex]

The six children were moved from a shelter after officials there received telephone calls threatening to the children, the police said today.

Yeah, when I threw together the original coverage, that leapt out at me -- had no idea about that little wrinkle.

Seemed, to me, like a bid to get them out of general corrections population so they couldn't talk to regular employees there.

[JackRiddler]

Given that it's a big propaganda fake, is PG be the right framework for subsuming cases that actually happened?

[barracuda]

Given that it's a big propaganda fake, is PG be the right framework for subsuming cases that actually happened?

Exactly so. Are we going to view every example of child trafficking through the lens of /pol/?

[brekin]

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We can all invent any plausible scenario for things we cannot see, including crimes that can be committed without leaving a public trace, and it's reasonable to assume such crimes are out there. The possibilities for invention are literally infinite, including of plausible scenarios, as fiction demonstrates. Speculations are worthy and allowable, insofar as they might lead one to look in places where one might begin to find evidence, and as long as it is understood that they are speculations until forms of confirmation are found.
...
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Si, once you have "invisible" victims for "invisible" crimes then anything is possible. Tie those invisible crimes to public personalities who are forced to deny and prove their innocence from the invisible and it gets even murkier. Having to state, "No, I have not been involved in ritual murders in the basements of pizza parlors." opens the door that they'd be a person in the first place considered to be capable of such things. The more sinister and outlandish the charge the worse it is to even acknowledge, but of course, not acknowledging it only feeds the narrative that "they won't go there".

Also, (and I'm surprised this hasn't happen as of yet with PG) there are numerous unwell, attention seeking, legitimate and quasi-Munchausen syndrome sufferers who can tie their own tales into these larger templates. Sometimes these tales even have real abuse components, but there is a need to raise the stakes and further fabulate their horrific story to a larger and complex narrative to give their suffering a greater meaning. As you then have "visible" testimonials to the "invisible" crimes, that are completely unprovable, but near impossible to analyze because critics are charged with being both a victim blamer/shamer and flat earth denier you enter the realm of true pulp fiction.

There has been reams and reams of content about PG. It is only a matter of time before the "witnesses" and "survivors" come forward to audition and supply the fan fiction/testimonials. There was a slight misplacement when it landed (for specific contemporary political purposes it seems) which bunny hopped over similar current narratives. But PG seems to be rapidly back-filling and absorbing those to. If you build it, it will come.