Should the CIA choose our President?

[American Dream]

Deep State, Deep Confusion



Much of the writing frames the question as Trump versus the Deep State, but even if we take the “deep state” as a valid concept, surely it’s not useful to think of the competing interests it represents as monolithic, as David Martin in an e-mail suggests. Big Oil and Wall Street might want deregulation and an opening to Russia. The euphemistically titled “intelligence community” wants a ramped-up war footing. High-tech wants increased trade. Trump, who presents as pure id wrapped in ambition motived by appetite, wants it all—which makes him both potentially useful and inherently unstable, simultaneously a product and target of the deep state. In 1956, C. Wright Mills wrote that “the conception of the power elite and of its unity rests upon the corresponding developments and the coincidence of interests among economic, political, and military organizations.” If nothing else, the “Trump v. Deep State” framings show that unity is long gone.

Read at: https://louisproyect.org/2017/02/19/dee ... confusion/

[seemslikeadream]

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Intelligence & Espionage • News
Donald Trump, Russian Mafia & US Intelligence Secrets

However, more important to this story are Trump’s connections to the international prostitution ring allegedly financed from questionable sources from Russia; sources close to Putin himself.

Trump & The Russian Mafia

In 2010 the founding chairman of Bayrock, Tevfik Arif, who has reputed Russian organized crime ties was charged in Turkey for smuggling underage girls into the country for prostitution. Another principal in the deal is Russian émigré Tamir Sapir, who also lives in Trump Tower.

As reported by Turkish News,

A New York real estate mogul with ties to Donald Trump is at the center of an international sex scandal – suspected of running a high-priced prostitution ring.

Tevfik Arif, 57, has been detained in Turkey on suspicion of setting up trysts between wealthy businessmen and Eastern European models – some underage – aboard a $60 million yacht once used by the nation’s founder, Mustafa Ataturk

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http://greatgameindia.com/donald-trump- ... e-secrets/

[Grizzly]

PRO TIP for President Trump on President's Day: Prosecute the CIA using RICO Law of 1970...Drug dealing (Check!), Murder (Check!), Kidnapping (Check!), Torture (Check!), Money Laundering (Check!), Aiding aliens entering into the US (Check!), Acts of Terrorism (Check!)...
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... dents_day/

The Trajectory of Justice in America – Rulers of the Realm – May 3rd, 2016 University of California; Santa Cruz part 1 of 3
Daniel Sheehan lectures on the Cabal

Published on May 17, 2016

***The Trajectory of Justice in America – Rulers of the Realm – May 3rd, 2016 University of California; Santa Cruz***

There was a concentrated effort on the behalf of elite Americans to create the “CIA” as a no holds barred weapon against communism and to advance capitalism/ fascism across the world.

During the McCarthy Era, these elites used mass hysteria to incite the public against communism/socialism. They also infiltrated organizations with spies and provocateurs.

CIA morphed from an organization meant to defend the west against the soviet union into one tasked with identifying and evaluating any person who might be subversive against the fascist goals of the United States ruling class.

1956-58: Fidel Castro, Raul Castro and Che Guevara undertook a revolution against the fascist Batista, who was a CIA puppet and asset. Overthrew Batista on new years eve 1959. All fascists and mobsters had to leave the country.

Richard Nixon issued an ultimatum to Fidel Castro, demanding that if they wanted to have any official relations with the USA, they had to shun Chin and the USSR.

Paramilitary bases established in the Caribbean, everglades, lake Pontchartrain in Louisiana. Training base. Operation 40.

Bob Mayhew, Howard Hughes, Sam Giancanna, Johnny Rosseli, Santos Trafficante have a general agreement in principle for the Mob the assassinate the Castro brothers in Cuba. “This will help both of us”- the mob and the CIA.

Trafficante makes a plan to use 15 anti-Castro cuban exiles who are gangsters working for him, but are also in the CIA operation 40. They fly to Clint Murchison's ranch in Central America, where they are trained to assassinate by using high powered rifles and triangular formations.

A plan was created by which Richard Nixon would support the Bay of Pigs revolution and support an American invasion of Cuba

BAY OF PIGS: Kennedy did not allow the use of US troops to aid a revolution against Castro’s revolutionary government. As a result, the bay of Pigs was a flaming disaster, Kennedy would not allow a 12th hour assistance from Navy ships that were waiting on the orders of the reactionary traitors LeMay, Lemnitzer, Dulles and Burke.

Kennedy’s decision to continue covert operations against Cuba led to Kruschev deciding to send missiles to Cuba.

October 18th- Kennedy drew a line on the globe, and said if any ships from Russia bearing missiles to Cuba crossed the line, a technical state of war would exist between the USSSR and USA.

Curtis LeMay brought everyone to Defcon 2, and sent nuclear payload bearing planes to the edge of the Soviet Union. He and the other chiefs of staff decided that they would act without Kennedy and start a nuclear war with Russia.

Kennedy had a metanoia experience, and ordered them to stand down. He was “the Man” with his finger on the button of international nuclear war. He chose not to push it. He also began to start secretly communicating with Kruschev and Castro to normalize relations and start dismantling nuclear weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/user/RomeroIn...

[Karmamatterz]

...is Russia a genuine ideological / geo-political schism in this factional warfare or just a blunt instrument to subdue & undermine the Trump admin / "movement"...one major dimsension of the elite schism appears to be over climate change...

Bannon discusses Trump as the blunt instrument.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschae ... less-safe/

Might have been covered in the Bannon thread, not sure.

Agree with others than Trump does not seem clever enough to know what is going on around him or how he is being used. If he would spend more time studying how to serve Americans and less time on Twitter he might actually learn something.

[Project Willow]

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I think you are making light of, or at least not emphasizing, his vocabulary of harm and constant theatrical enactment of bullying, domination (in a very much bad-alpha male way), hatred and sneering, designation of enemies among those weaker than and different from him, dismissal of anything he does not know (in fact active contempt for knowledge), brutality, triumphalism, self-obsession, bragging, etc. These are all qualities we often see in horrible, oppressive, materially powerful (and spiritually weak or empty) people who are used to dictating things and getting their way. And again, it works with the target demographic, they love this show of strength (emphasis on the show). I think you once said he didn't strike you as a once-abused child, but he sure acts like one. It would not have had to be abuse within the context of an organized network of abusers. His father seems to have been a very harsh man and they did ship the young Donald off to a military boarding school to set him "straight." (Rather the opposite of the cliche that narcissistic dominators are the product of lax upbringing.)

No, I'm not de-emphasizing his bullying, strong arm presentation and the disastrous directions into which that can lead a struggling populace. I'm saying, in a way that can be substantiated by observing the degradations we experienced under Obama, that all the characteristics you find plainly obvious and alarming are the very characteristics that are, with more than a little help from the media, what is fomenting the resistance, and so it is, at this time and place, less dangerous. And I have not said anything about his childhood. I would presume he had been emotionally neglected (attachment issues), possibly abused in other ways, yet materially spoiled. It's not that difficult a puzzle to work out from his behavior.

As to your question, many may participate in hiding or ignoring organized child abuse and torture in all forms, but many who have wittingly participated in and planned out the general crimes of the systems of capitalism and imperialism and warmaking, and even many who should be hauled before war crimes tribunals for having committed horrors far worse than anything Trump has yet to manage (if not plan and announce), may well have nothing to do with the milieus of which you speak. They may be sexually normative, even upstanding as "individuals," and relatively clueless about hidden networks they don't engage with personally. Notwithstanding his apparent involvement with the Epstein matter (which Nordic now seriously believes will be addressed by his new Kayfabe Hero), and of course the famous NBC hot-mic video in which he brags about his feats of sexual assault, I don't know what Trump does on the weekends. Does that excuse anything that we see him doing in public?

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"Excuse", yeah, this is what I mean by hysteria. Where have I excused Trump? People are not being rational or objective.

Here you're treating organized abuse and torture as distinct dalliances when nothing could be further from the truth. Individuals who operate on the levels you cite, whether or not they personally commit these crimes, exist within a system that is functionally dependent on them as the currency of insider status. If individuals were wholly innocent, they'd constitute a liability and would be locked out. Your civilian government is populated with people who are subject to blackmail of one form or another, often due to their sexual perversions. Many at the highest levels are themselves products of the labs. CEO's trade MC slaves in private ceremonies. The Deep State profits off of human trafficking the same way it does off of drugs and arms deals. All of this remains hidden, yet absolutely central to how civilian facing structures remain under the control of, to borrow a term from Corbett, a kakistocracy, "rule by the worst". None of this system will be touched if all civilian energy remains focused solely on the emblem of the orange menace.

[JackRiddler]

I'm not making organized abuse into a dalliance! I'm wondering how complete its extent is. You say it's comprehensive, that it covers pretty much the whole milieu of power elite, that it's the currency of entry. If so, there's no way Trump would have avoided it and there is circumstantial evidence you presumably are not ignoring: Epstein, obviously; mob connections from the start of his career forward, complete with casinos and money laundering and suspect bankruptcies; interests in 50 nations; every business model a scam of some kind; avowals of what we presumably would both agree is misogyny, although he would call it liking women too much and "locker-room talk"; and he owned the Miss Universe beauty pageants?! What does this profile look like?

[Project Willow]

I've always presumed Trump existed in tangential perp circles with the Clintons, through Epstein and others. He's into teenagers and runs his own ad hoc network. The Clinton circle is high level SRA, with all of its formality and powerful adherents in the Deep State, including MC perps like Kissinger. But then there's what they both get up to on non-high holiday weekends. Trump and the Clintons are aware of each others' less formal weekend activities. I'm sure Trump is also aware of Clinton Foundation criminality as it relates to his own trafficking.

I feel sorry for the poor deluded fools in the Pizzagate community holding on to the fantasy that Trump is going to challenge the higher level folks. The only thing that would argue for that is his stupidity. He's already been given a couple of spankings.

[Project Willow]

What I left out of that is, Trump doesn't have access to the blackmail levers that the higher circle does. He knows they probably exist, and he more than likely has, in comparison, a rather tiny set, but he isn't privy to the details on the depth and breadth of control that the higher circles possess. This is why we get to see the power plays in real time.

[semper occultus]

I feel sorry for the poor deluded fools in the Pizzagate community holding on to the fantasy that Trump is going to challenge the higher level folks. The only thing that would argue for that is his stupidity. He's already been given a couple of spankings.

I've some hope that if we get to some sort of gotterdamerung showdown he decides to take as many of them down with him as possible....on the paedo issues , 911 etc and can act as a conduit for those with higher level info

[dada]

The question now is a practical one. What are we going to do about it? Most of the non-Trump (or non crypto-Trump) supporters who post here are activists. Well it's tough being an activist when the majority of the population could care less about the struggle.

Well now they care. And they're showing up at meetings in droves. Are the activists going to criticize and snipe at the sidelines, or show up at the meetings and help shape the emerging movement?

I'm not sure how I can help shape the emerging movement, or if I'd even want to. The practical question seems to come down to, "where in the bureaucratic machinery do I throw my body into the gears?" I'll do it, but I'm not going to tell other people where and when they should do it. That's a personal choice, that I think should arise out of personal motivation.

I'm on the same side as the movement, I empathize. I do think there are important questions that need further exploring. I considered starting a new thread on this topic, but this thread is as good as any for discussing strategy.

I'm a non-voter. Not that I wouldn't vote strategically, if there was someone worth voting for. There are many non-voters. Not all are politically aware like me, they're just treading water, caught up in the drama of their lives. Yet I still think that if you gave them something worth voting for, you could get them to turn out in significant amounts.

But what kind of strategy is that? "Give the non-voters something to vote for." The hell with them, why should we pander to the apathetic?

That's just on the voting side of things. To me, it's an example of a kind of pervasive attitude which is a problem. Hierarchies interfere on every level. There's activist experts, and beginners that need guidance. Or there's the movement and the fence-sitting critics. "I'm more activist than you are" pecking orders.

I have a wealth of knowledge and creativity, natural charisma and dopey wisdom. That's where my talents are. How do I employ that in service to the movement? Go to meetings and smile? I'll make soup during a long-term general strike, sure. If it goes on for long enough to have an impact, they're going to need all the soup they can get.

So what else can I do. Write pamphlets? Design propaganda, slogans, diy ad campaigns, write some protest songs? Even if I don't take credit for the influence I have, I'm not certain any of that is helpful. It isn't participating in making a difference, it's feeding the spectacle. Giving people a choice, "what should I stare at today, trolls, or the inspired left," doesn't feel like an effective strategy for change, to me.

These are some of the things that have been on my mind, I'm just "thinking out loud," here. I'd like to help, but I don't see what use I could serve.

[Searcher08]

What I left out of that is, Trump doesn't have access to the blackmail levers that the higher circle does. He knows they probably exist, and he more than likely has, in comparison, a rather tiny set, but he isn't privy to the details on the depth and breadth of control that the higher circles possess. This is why we get to see the power plays in real time.

Perhaps he hasnt, but I would imagine General Mattis, as a former Board director of General Dynamics, absolutely has.

[Iamwhomiam]

I don't believe Mattis has that ability either.

[Project Willow]

This is guess work that analysis of publicly available material could greatly improve, but I'd say it is more likely to come from those in Trump's circle who own or worked for private intel/military firms, like Dyncorp and Blackwater. They want a bigger piece of the black market profit (drugs, arms, laundering), along with further privatizing military backed white market resource extraction. I imagine that highly leveraged deals are being made behind the scenes, and geopolitical strategy, including which major power and/or ME state we invade next, will be hammered out soon enough.

Meanwhile, the public is everyday being conditioned towards civil war, as we can see in the Milo thread. People on the left now fully embrace the idea that committing acts of violence against their heretical conservative neighbors will somehow prevent another "Hitler". Targeted, simplified, false narratives of good and evil will solidify. The wolves at the top will continue to extend their insatiable banquet table, enjoying the spectacle of the sheep as they stampede over each other in blind fear and hatred. (Thanks for that metaphor Mr. M.) The wolves will hold up bloody carcasses to enact ever more authoritarian measures, further expanding the corporate/state power structure. This cycle will continue until there is nothing left that once resembled a republic.

There's a nice park a few blocks from me. I think I'm sitting this one out.

[8bitagent]

Anyone else hearing "the deep state" term now flowing like a foundry of verbal diarrhea from both the right wing and mainstream pundits? Im glad the windbags have found a new
favorite buzz word( "fake news" was getting old quickly)

Now CNN is getting in on the 'fears of a deep state'
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/opinions/ ... index.html

Is a 'deep state subverting the presidency?

Let's start with what we can all agree on: Leaking is serious and illegal, and leaking classified information can endanger national security. All leaks must therefore be thoroughly investigated. Even former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper acknowledged as much in his Feb. 16 statement.
But people diverge over the role the intelligence community has played in recent leaks. Take, for example, the ouster of Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump's short-lived national security advisor. Some have argued recent leaks of classified information, assumedly emanating from inside the intelligence community, resulted in his swift removal from office.

The assertion here is that leakers in the executive branch effectively sabotaged the President's pick for the job, and in doing so exercised undue control over the West Wing itself. Even worse, some fear this pattern may continue with other nominees and policies of the Trump administration.

The idea of a "deep state," a murky coalition of mostly national security and intelligence officials who are attempting to subvert the President, has begun circulating.
Others suggest that Trump's own actions have brought about this state of affairs. After all, the President compared the intelligence community to Nazis and reminded them of their mistake regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So perhaps the CIA, NSA and others are just getting even, or maybe getting a little revenge against the new President.

I've never seen such a strange schism. With the Bush era, both the left and conspiracy right/liberarians/ (precursor to alt right) were on the same page with Bush and Cheney being "puppets" of a fascist secret hand. Yet with Trump, one side sees him as this improbable folk hero here to "take on the globalist elite agenda" while the other side sees Trump himself as a new Hitler here to finally bring America into full on fascism.

[Project Willow]

A great way to discredit concepts necessary to effective resistance, such as that the media is engaged in propaganda, "Fake news", that elites traffic in children "Pizzagate", and that power actually resides in a ever growing rogue "Deep State", is to highlight that these concepts are issuing from the mouth of Trump and/or his supporters.

Pretty brilliant tactic.