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liminalOyster » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:2 is far and away the most plausible. Past 2017, I suspect:
7. None of the above - or at least not as successfully all-encompassing events. Instead, the "Left" implodes due to old PR strategies gone wrong; Trump is framed too neatly as a xenophobic totalitarian and it fails to stick at all with his base and begrudgingly supportive partisans. Enough of the opposition is riding on a self-congratulatory wave of satirizing and hyperbolizing his dangers that his real policies look (incredulously) more reasonable in contrast. A convincing enough case can be made proclaiming that he has achieved his 100-day promises (see the presentation at https://www.aol.com/news/trump-campaign-promises/) and then some (see new employment figures) and enough of the body politic supports the idea that he "gets things done" to re-elect him. Chasm widens. Dems cling to old bad habits, failing to win back congress, putting forward another tepid establishment figure in 2020 (Booker/Newsom) with a poorly polished fake progressive rhetoric.
JackRiddler » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:54 pm wrote:liminalOyster » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:39 pm wrote:2 is far and away the most plausible. Past 2017, I suspect:
7. None of the above - or at least not as successfully all-encompassing events. Instead, the "Left" implodes due to old PR strategies gone wrong; Trump is framed too neatly as a xenophobic totalitarian and it fails to stick at all with his base and begrudgingly supportive partisans. Enough of the opposition is riding on a self-congratulatory wave of satirizing and hyperbolizing his dangers that his real policies look (incredulously) more reasonable in contrast. A convincing enough case can be made proclaiming that he has achieved his 100-day promises (see the presentation at https://www.aol.com/news/trump-campaign-promises/) and then some (see new employment figures) and enough of the body politic supports the idea that he "gets things done" to re-elect him. Chasm widens. Dems cling to old bad habits, failing to win back congress, putting forward another tepid establishment figure in 2020 (Booker/Newsom) with a poorly polished fake progressive rhetoric.
I'm glad you put the "Left" in quotes, since this basically describes the course struck by the national Democratic Party, although that is not the "Left" and rather than "xenophobic totalitarian" (which works too well) they have so far chosen "Russian agent" which they are reinforcing on themselves daily in a Maddow/WaPo/SNL/SLADthread echo chamber, oblivious to the fact that this ain't going to work outside their own narrowing circle. As for an actual LEFT, something not really seen around these parts in any kind of organized or successfully expressive form since 1920, or the 1930s (oh, okay, I'll grant the Sixties/early 70s too), I have reasons to believe it's several steps on the way to realizing itself as an entity in U.S. politics, and when it arrives it may not be nearly as lame as this D "resistance" so far has been.
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JackRiddler » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:37 am wrote:Yeah, well, never mind totalitarian (vague term applicable to a lot of developments in a mass technocratic society, like the surveillance state or wraparound media), but about authoritarian and racist there is no question, and the fascism is built right into the performance so gimme break if like Jason Hirthler you're pretending not to see it. The core fans sure fucking do! So staged that it is both a post-modern post-real professional wrestling version (why I keep saying Kayfabe Hitler, which you may be bored of seeing) and, actually, not that unlike the originals, who were also extremely focused on performative politics and theaters of bullying. Is Trump performing the man on horseback or not? Remember Hitler was also not "Hitler" until he really got in to the role. The only reason not to think he is identical to the strongman salvation trope is that he's so obviously also a classic late night television scam artist of the type who says, "But wait, there's more! Order now and you will receive...!" Hence the title of this thread: I'm just not into making excuses for people, especially on R.I., who are not seeing or pretending not to see that, and taking seriously the populist or peace promises. And there is plenty of reason to think there will be a successful accommodation with the deep realm factions, whom he alarms mainly by being such a moron loose-cannon and brand destroyer. Except he is so liable to keep attempting a #2 on the list.
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JackRiddler » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:05 am wrote:Their own lungs included.
This was great, NYT and all, and I remember those days:
Remembering a City Where the Smog Could Kill https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/nyre ... -smog.html
What are you going to do? It can't be about catering to the sensibilities or convincing some notional average Trump voter or confused fence-sitter. Alliances of the common interests first, build a fighting coalition, and eventually enough of the slowpokes may follow. Also, don't call them slowpokes to their face and stick to the policy and politics, don't bother with the trivial approaches of "Russia" or Trumpocentrism or Shia LeBoeuf rituals.
liminalOyster » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:35 pm wrote:Personally, I hope "the Resistance" will more return to the course that some Bernie and later Stein supporters and surrogates took last year, being more vocally conciliatory to the populist sentiment which Trump vampiricized, offering a parallel version that is equally fierce but grounded in straight class antagonism rather than nativism. Which particular omens do you take as meaningful towards the emergence of an organized new LEFT?
JackRiddler » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:23 pm wrote:82_28 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:56 pm wrote:JackRiddler » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:50 pm wrote:Karmamatterz » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:48 am wrote:What is worse: Trump or the Patriot Act?
Which has had a more long lasting impact on our constitutional rights?
You know I'm sick of you people not giving President Trump a chance.
Did you forget to put that in green?
Why? Besides that I don't believe in putting anything in green? I'm serious.
The Trump administration has barely had a chance to destroy rights in America, constitutional or otherwise, or even to commit mayhem elsewhere. It's a very unfair comparison on karmamatterz's part. I think in terms of policy direction, rhetorical flourish and actual achievements, they are doing very well within the mere 100 day window.
True, predecessors have set some pretty daunting records of mass atrocity to exceed, and the opposition has shown unusual energy so far (if enough of them can just stop humping the carcass of their Russian fantasy). But beyond the simple trampling of Americans' rights, or the rights of sub-Americans globally if we are to care about them, let us consider the set-up for wealth plunder ops on behalf of the 0.01% now being rolled out. Or the awesome moves to just flat-out demolish the basis for human life on earth. No one's ever had as strong a start on either, I dare say. They have also been very impressive in the area of cultural defoliation uprooting the very hope of informed knowledge -- very innovative! Tremendous. A player to watch. He's just getting bigger and bigger. Good friend of mine.
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“FEAR CITY” EXPLORES HOW DONALD TRUMP EXPLOITED THE NEW YORK DEBT CRISIS TO BOOST HIS OWN FORTUNE
Naomi Klein
April 23 2017, 8:25 a.m.
WHEN I PUBLISHED “The Shock Doctrine” a decade ago, a few people told me that it was missing a key chapter in the evolution of the tactic I was reporting on. That tactic involved using periods of crisis to impose a radical pro-corporate agenda. They said that in the United States that story doesn’t start with Reagan in the 1980s, as I had told it, but rather in New York City in the mid-1970s. That’s when the city’s very near brush with all-out bankruptcy was used to dramatically remake the metropolis. Massive and brutal austerity, sweetheart deals for the rich, privatizations. In classic Shock Doctrine style, under cover of crisis, New York changed from being a place with some of the most generous public services in the country, engaged in some cutting-edge attempts at racial and economic integration, to the temple of nonstop commerce and gentrification that we all know and still love today...
https://theintercept.com/2017/04/23/fea ... n-fortune/
JackRiddler wrote:I would say there have been two major phases in the neoliberal era of class war, in which the ruling class consensus moved against the New Deal and the Keynesian golden age and launched a restoration, a drive to restore Manchester era conditions, but now in the new technological conditions and with an individualist ostensibly democratic ideology that defines one's market value and competency as the measure of one's virtue.
JackRiddler wrote:The idea being not just to silence the still-extant left but to make an actual left impossible to conceive. Setting the bounds of discourse, Chomsky style, manufacturing consent, etc.
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