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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:39 am

The “longer-term status of President Assad,” Tillerson said, “will be decided by the Syrian people,”


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Trump today blamed Obama for the deadly chemical weapon attack in Syria. Trump didn’t blame Russia, which backs Assad. Trump blamed America.


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White House denounces Syrian gas attack, blames Obama’s weak policy
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... bashar-as/


Russia Blames Syria Gassing On Leak From Rebel Chemical Cache
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russi ... al-n742791


Assad Apparently ‘Gasses’ Civilians Days After Tillerson Hints He Can Stay in Power
Evidence of a sophisticated chemical weapons attack by the Assad regime suggests the dictator in Damascus thinks he’s now got Trump’s carte blanche to kill as he likes.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... s-gas.html


Has Trump deferred to Russia in Syria?
By Juan Cole | Apr. 3, 2017 |

By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) | – –

Elizabeth Palmer reported from Ankara last Thursday that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had difficult and inconclusive discussions with Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan concerning Syria. After the meeting he said publicly, that the “longer-term status of President (Bashar) Assad will be decided by the Syrian people.”

CBS and other news organizations argued that Tillerson’s statement signals a shift in US policy from that of the Obama administration, which called for Syrian president Bashar al-Assad to step down.

This point is true as far as it goes. But it also has to be said that the Obama administration decided at the time of the fiasco of the red line over chemical weapons use (when Obama could not get the UK parliament to support joint Anglo-American action) in September of 2013, that it was unwise to try to unseat al-Assad. From that time till now, the US Air Force has never deliberately targeted a Syrian military or governmental facility.

So regardless of rhetoric, Obama behaved as though he believed what Tillerson just openly said.
Still, it is a little startling to have the US abruptly speak about Syria exactly the way the Russians do. Michael Jansen notes that the US is now decisively on the other side from the Syrian rebels, who have been demanding at the Kazakhstan peace talks that al-Assad step down as a prerequisite to new elections and national reconciliation. Jansen reports that one reason the rebels make this demand is that their electoral analysis suggests to them that if free and fair elections were held in Syria, al-Assad would likely win.
This analysis is correct. The regime probably has 80% of the population under its authority now– all the major cities plus some of the countryside, whereas the rebels have only a couple urban enclaves and then mostly rural villages. Moreover, populations like those in Aleppo, Latakia and Damascus are grateful to be living under even a brutal one-party state rather than under the mostly fundamentalist rebels, some of whom are openly allied with the al-Qaeda-linked Syrian Conquest Front (formerly Jabhat al-Nusra or the Support Front).

Syria is probably about 6% Christian, 3% Druze, 14% Allawi, 2% Shiite, 10% Kurdish– i.e. about 35% minorities. Then of the 65% that are Sunni Arabs, a majority are secular-minded and, as in West Aleppo, are just as afraid of al-Qaeda and ISIL as are the minorities. So al-Assad would almost certainly get a majority of the votes in any free and fair election at the moment. That doesn’t mean people like living under a one-party state or one that tortures. It just means that the rebel opposition turned to an extremist Sunni discourse that scared the minorities and secularists. The Saudi-backed Army of Islam, tagged as ‘moderate’ by Obama’s CIA, thundered against the wretched Allawi heretics, as they called them, and no state erected by this Saudi candidate would offer a decent life to Syria’s minorities.
So if the rebel private polling is correct, then what Tillerson is really saying is that Syrians are stuck with al-Assad, and that the Trump administration is sanguine about that prospect.

Saying this publicly puts Tillerson and Trump on the same side as Russia and Iran in Syria, but poses a set of problems for US relations with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey, who have been supporting one or another of the increasingly fundamentalist rebel groups now bunched up in Idlib Province in the north or East Ghouta near Damascus, etc.
In essence, Tillerson is telling the Gulf Cooperation Council, including the Saudis, and Turkey that their side in Syria has lost.
Worse for the Erdogan government in Turkey is that the US still seems determined to use the post-Communist YPG Kurdish militia to expel ISIL from its Syrian capital of Raqqa. Turkey views the YPG as indistinguishable from the PKK terrorist group it is battling in eastern Anatolia. Erdogan had high hopes that Trump would drop this Obama policy. Instead. Trump’s Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis, appears to have doubled down on the alliance with Syria’s Kurds. The Kurds will want a loose federalism in Syria after ISIL is gone, within the matrix of which they can erect an all but independent Kurdish mini-state. Such a development is Ankara’s worst nightmare.
At the same time, Trump seems to be peeved at Erdogan and at Egyptian strong man Abdel Fattah al-Sisi for not stepping up to wage the war on ISIL in the country’s east.

BBC Monitoring translated a discussion on Russia’s NTV from last Friday:
Channel One accused the USA of trying “to break up Syria into small pieces”, “to weaken Bashar al-Assad”, “to destabilise Iran”, “to put pressure on the Turkish president who is out of control” and “of course, to weaken Russia’s influence in the region”.
‘According to Channel One and NTV, the USA has promised Kurds in Iraq an independent state. Creating an independent Kurdish state, a pundit told Channel One, “poses a direct threat to national security and the territorial integrity” of the states which have Kurdish enclaves on their territory. As a result, “the whole system of regional security will be destroyed”, he said.
According to NTV, Tillerson and Erdogan, who met in Ankara on 30 March, had “difficult talks” and reached no agreement on Kurds. The US support for the Kurds is aimed “against President Erdogan”, a pundit told NTV.
“We will be witnessing a conflict emerging between the USA and Turkey before our very eyes,” another pundit told NTV.
And Channel One described relations between the USA and Turkey as being “on the point of a nervous breakdown”.’
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In fact, the US is unlikely to have promised the Kurds their own state. But maybe a loose federalism. The use of the YPG isn’t aimed at Erdogan; it is just Pentagon pragmatism. The YPG are the only ones willing to step up and take ISIL on. And while US relations with Turkey have been better, they aren’t on the verge of breakdown, however much the Russian intelligentsia are hoping for that.
So, yes, Tillerson is speaking a different language about Syria than did Obama. But Trump’s concrete policies and those of Obama with regard to Syria seem to show a great deal of continuity.
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Related video:
CGTN: “Hundreds flee clashes for control of Tabqa, Syria”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDID_5E_okg
https://www.juancole.com/2017/04/trump- ... ussia.html
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Elvis » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:55 pm

Is there any evidence that Assad had anything to do with this alleged gas attack?

After the 2013 fakeries, my default assumption is that this is more of the same.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Rory » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:09 pm

The Al Qaeda Helmets being on the scene and videoing footage as soon as the event occurred, is a dead giveaway.

Also, none of them were wearing protective gear. Bit sus that.

"Rebels" losing? Time for a fake Chem Weapons event.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:36 pm

The “longer-term status of President Assad,” Tillerson said, “will be decided by the Syrian people,”


Malcolm Nance Retweeted
John Aravosis‏Verified account @aravosis 9h9 hours ago
Trump today blamed Obama for the deadly chemical weapon attack in Syria. Trump didn’t blame Russia, which backs Assad. Trump blamed America.


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WHY ARE YOU SECRETLY POSITIONING HUNDREDS OF U.S. TROOPS ON THE GROUND IN SYRIA?

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White House denounces Syrian gas attack, blames Obama’s weak policy
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... bashar-as/


Russia Blames Syria Gassing On Leak From Rebel Chemical Cache
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russi ... al-n742791


Assad Apparently ‘Gasses’ Civilians Days After Tillerson Hints He Can Stay in Power
Evidence of a sophisticated chemical weapons attack by the Assad regime suggests the dictator in Damascus thinks he’s now got Trump’s carte blanche to kill as he likes.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... s-gas.html


Has Trump deferred to Russia in Syria?
By Juan Cole | Apr. 3, 2017 |

By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) | – –

Elizabeth Palmer reported from Ankara last Thursday that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had difficult and inconclusive discussions with Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan concerning Syria. After the meeting he said publicly, that the “longer-term status of President (Bashar) Assad will be decided by the Syrian people.”

CBS and other news organizations argued that Tillerson’s statement signals a shift in US policy from that of the Obama administration, which called for Syrian president Bashar al-Assad to step down.

This point is true as far as it goes. But it also has to be said that the Obama administration decided at the time of the fiasco of the red line over chemical weapons use (when Obama could not get the UK parliament to support joint Anglo-American action) in September of 2013, that it was unwise to try to unseat al-Assad. From that time till now, the US Air Force has never deliberately targeted a Syrian military or governmental facility.

So regardless of rhetoric, Obama behaved as though he believed what Tillerson just openly said.
Still, it is a little startling to have the US abruptly speak about Syria exactly the way the Russians do. Michael Jansen notes that the US is now decisively on the other side from the Syrian rebels, who have been demanding at the Kazakhstan peace talks that al-Assad step down as a prerequisite to new elections and national reconciliation. Jansen reports that one reason the rebels make this demand is that their electoral analysis suggests to them that if free and fair elections were held in Syria, al-Assad would likely win.
This analysis is correct. The regime probably has 80% of the population under its authority now– all the major cities plus some of the countryside, whereas the rebels have only a couple urban enclaves and then mostly rural villages. Moreover, populations like those in Aleppo, Latakia and Damascus are grateful to be living under even a brutal one-party state rather than under the mostly fundamentalist rebels, some of whom are openly allied with the al-Qaeda-linked Syrian Conquest Front (formerly Jabhat al-Nusra or the Support Front).

Syria is probably about 6% Christian, 3% Druze, 14% Allawi, 2% Shiite, 10% Kurdish– i.e. about 35% minorities. Then of the 65% that are Sunni Arabs, a majority are secular-minded and, as in West Aleppo, are just as afraid of al-Qaeda and ISIL as are the minorities. So al-Assad would almost certainly get a majority of the votes in any free and fair election at the moment. That doesn’t mean people like living under a one-party state or one that tortures. It just means that the rebel opposition turned to an extremist Sunni discourse that scared the minorities and secularists. The Saudi-backed Army of Islam, tagged as ‘moderate’ by Obama’s CIA, thundered against the wretched Allawi heretics, as they called them, and no state erected by this Saudi candidate would offer a decent life to Syria’s minorities.
So if the rebel private polling is correct, then what Tillerson is really saying is that Syrians are stuck with al-Assad, and that the Trump administration is sanguine about that prospect.

Saying this publicly puts Tillerson and Trump on the same side as Russia and Iran in Syria, but poses a set of problems for US relations with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey, who have been supporting one or another of the increasingly fundamentalist rebel groups now bunched up in Idlib Province in the north or East Ghouta near Damascus, etc.
In essence, Tillerson is telling the Gulf Cooperation Council, including the Saudis, and Turkey that their side in Syria has lost.
Worse for the Erdogan government in Turkey is that the US still seems determined to use the post-Communist YPG Kurdish militia to expel ISIL from its Syrian capital of Raqqa. Turkey views the YPG as indistinguishable from the PKK terrorist group it is battling in eastern Anatolia. Erdogan had high hopes that Trump would drop this Obama policy. Instead. Trump’s Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis, appears to have doubled down on the alliance with Syria’s Kurds. The Kurds will want a loose federalism in Syria after ISIL is gone, within the matrix of which they can erect an all but independent Kurdish mini-state. Such a development is Ankara’s worst nightmare.
At the same time, Trump seems to be peeved at Erdogan and at Egyptian strong man Abdel Fattah al-Sisi for not stepping up to wage the war on ISIL in the country’s east.

BBC Monitoring translated a discussion on Russia’s NTV from last Friday:
Channel One accused the USA of trying “to break up Syria into small pieces”, “to weaken Bashar al-Assad”, “to destabilise Iran”, “to put pressure on the Turkish president who is out of control” and “of course, to weaken Russia’s influence in the region”.
‘According to Channel One and NTV, the USA has promised Kurds in Iraq an independent state. Creating an independent Kurdish state, a pundit told Channel One, “poses a direct threat to national security and the territorial integrity” of the states which have Kurdish enclaves on their territory. As a result, “the whole system of regional security will be destroyed”, he said.
According to NTV, Tillerson and Erdogan, who met in Ankara on 30 March, had “difficult talks” and reached no agreement on Kurds. The US support for the Kurds is aimed “against President Erdogan”, a pundit told NTV.
“We will be witnessing a conflict emerging between the USA and Turkey before our very eyes,” another pundit told NTV.
And Channel One described relations between the USA and Turkey as being “on the point of a nervous breakdown”.’
in Russian 1900 gmt 31 Mar 17
In fact, the US is unlikely to have promised the Kurds their own state. But maybe a loose federalism. The use of the YPG isn’t aimed at Erdogan; it is just Pentagon pragmatism. The YPG are the only ones willing to step up and take ISIL on. And while US relations with Turkey have been better, they aren’t on the verge of breakdown, however much the Russian intelligentsia are hoping for that.
So, yes, Tillerson is speaking a different language about Syria than did Obama. But Trump’s concrete policies and those of Obama with regard to Syria seem to show a great deal of continuity.
—–
Related video:
CGTN: “Hundreds flee clashes for control of Tabqa, Syria”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDID_5E_okg
https://www.juancole.com/2017/04/trump- ... ussia.html
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Rory » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:00 pm

The alleged chemical agents were delivered by artillery, not dropped by aircraft.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:01 pm

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:17 pm

Trump Blames Assad For Chemical Attack, Says His Attitude On Syria & Assad Has 'Changed Very Much'
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56541


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We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO


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What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.


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If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!
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How bad has our "leader" made us look on Syria. Stay out of Syria, we don't have the leadership to win wars or even strategize.
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"@mguarino64: @realDonaldTrump " How would you treat the Syria situation if president ?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!
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If the U.S. attacks Syria and hits the wrong targets, killing civilians, there will be worldwide hell to pay. Stay away and fix broken U.S.
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"@BigSexyBDAvis: @realDonaldTrump mr trump would attack Syria or no?" No, lets make our country great again as they fight their war!
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What I am saying is stay out of Syria.
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AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!
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Russia is sending a fleet of ships to the Mediterranean. Obama’s war in Syria has the potential to widen into a worldwide conflict.
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President Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your "powder" for another (and more important) day!

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Don't attack Syria - an attack that will bring nothing but trouble for the U.S. Focus on making our country strong and great again!
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Obama must now start focusing on OUR COUNTRY, jobs, healthcare and all of our many problems. Forget Syria and make America great again!


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We should stop talking, stay out of Syria and other countries that hate us, rebuild our own country and make it strong and great again-USA!
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:38 pm

As Steve Bannon is kicked out of the NSC ...........


Trump has already secretly positioned hundreds of U.S. grounds troops in Syria


Reviving the ‘Chemical Weapons’ Lie: New US-UK Calls for Regime Change, Military Attack Against Syria

By Patrick Henningsen
Global Research, April 05, 2017
21st Century Wire 4 April 2017
Region: Middle East & North Africa
Theme: Media Disinformation, Terrorism, US NATO War Agenda
In-depth Report: SYRIA: NATO'S NEXT WAR?
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Here it comes again. As the enemies of peace continue to pressure a new US President into deeper war commitments overseas, and as Washington’s Deep State works relentlessly opposing Russian moves in Syria at every turn, the war drums have started again – beating harder than ever now, clamouring for a new US-led attack on Syria. This morning we saw the familiar theme emerge, and just in time to provide a convenient backdrop to this week’s Brussels’ ‘Peace Talks’ and conference on “Syria’s Future”.

The US-led ‘Coalition’ prepares to make its end-run into Syria to ‘Retake Raqqa,’ and impose its Safe Zones in order to partition Syria, more media demonization of the Syrian government appears to be needed by the West.

On cue, the multi-billion dollar US and UK media machines sprung into overdrive this morning over reports based primarily from their own ‘activist’ media outlets. Aleppo Media Center and others embedded in the Al Nusra-dominated terrorist stronghold of Idlib, Syria, alongside their media counterpart the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) funded by the UK and EU, are all now claiming that the Syrian and Russian Airforces have launched a chemical weapons airstrike killing civilians in Idlib.

In their report today entitled, “Syria conflict: ‘Chemical attack’ in Idlib kills 58”, the BBC is also alleging in their report that Sarin gas was used.

The alleged “chemical airstrikes” are said to have taken place in the town of Khan Sheikhoun, about 50km south of the city of Idlib.

Predictably, the BBC and other similar reports by CNN, have triggered a wave of ‘consensus condemnation’ and indignation by the usual voices, the UN’s Staffan de Mistura, Francois Hollande, and, of course, UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, who said that President Bashar al-Assad “would be guilty of a war crime” if it somehow be proven that his ‘regime’ was responsible.

“Bombing your own civilians with chemical weapons is unquestionably a war crime and they must be held to account,” he said (reported by BBC).

But is the mainstream media’s version of events what actually happened?

The BBC claims in their article that,

“Opposition activists said Syrian government or Russian warplanes carried out the strikes.”

This claim should be checked against any Russian air sorties scheduled for the same period. As of this morning, Russia’s defence ministry has stated that it had not carried out any air strikes the area.

The problem here is that the BBC and others are not only taking ‘opposition activists’ reports of a chemical attack at face value, they are also elevating claims that the Syrian and Russian airforces were then later hitting the medical clinics who were treating the survivors:

“Later, aircraft fired rockets at local clinics treating survivors, medics and activists said.”

Expectedly, as with past claims of “chemical attacks,” the notorious US-UK funded ‘NGO’, the White Helmets have already played a central role in scripting the narrative for this latest chemical attack.

As with so many other previous reports on Syria, the BBC, CNN and AP’s reporting relies exclusively on “opposition activists” and “opposition media agencies,” including the ‘pro-opposition’ Step News agency’, the Edlib Media Center (EMC), and ‘opposition journalists’ like photographer Hussein Kayal, as well as an unnamed “AFP news agency journalist”.

The unnamed “AFP journalist” is particularly interesting, as it seems to be the source of a key portion of the BBC’s version of events:

“An AFP news agency journalist saw a young girl, a woman and two elderly people dead at a hospital, all with foam still visible around their mouths.”

The journalist also reported that the same facility was hit by a rocket on Tuesday afternoon, bringing down rubble on top of doctors treating the injured.”

However, as you read further down the BBC report, the story gets less certain, as the story becomes very loose:

“The source of the projectile was not clear, but the EMC and the opposition Local Co-ordination Committees (LCC) network said warplanes had targeted several clinics.”

After their source the SOHR refused to say which “chemical” was supposedly dropped, the BBC quickly moved in to fill in the blanks by framing the story that the Syrian-Russian Airforces had launched a “Sarin Attack”.

“The SOHR said it was unable to say what exactly was dropped. However, the EMC and LCC said it was believed to be the nerve agent Sarin, which is highly toxic and considered 20 times as deadly as cyanide.”

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At no point in its reporting does the BBC ever express any skepticism that maybe their ‘activist’ sources could be providing false or misleading information. Ultimately, these reports can be used to trigger renewed calls by Western officials for military strikes against the ‘Syrian Regime’ – which was exactly what happened today after these news stories were circulated. Within a few hours after these reports circulated, Congressman Adam Kinzinger (R, Illinois) came on CNN with Wolf Blitzer who asked Kinzinger point blank: What can be done to remove this regime? Kinzinger then replied by calling outright for US airstrikes to “Take out the Assad Regime in Syria”, including “cratering their airstrips so no planes can take off” and creating a “No Fly Zone” over Syria.

These statements, as bombastic as they may sound, are serious and should not be taken casually. The problem is they are based on a series of lies. Of course, Kinzinger was followed on-air by John McCain protesting against US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s recent comments this week that, “The Syrian people should be able to choose their own (political) future” – effectively holding the overwhelming majority of Syrian in contempt for supporting their government.

CNN Senior Middle East correspondent Arwa Damon also chimed in with Blitzer from New York, and without any real evidence presented as to what has happened and who is to blame, she swiftly concluded that the Idlib “chemical attack” was the work of ‘the regime’ and that America cannot stand back idly and do nothing, and how this would show a “lack of humanity,”

The BBC does briefly mention an alternative report, but carefully tried to discredit it in the court of political opinion by labeling it as from “Pro-Government journalists,” stated here:

“Pro-government journalists later cited military sources as saying there had been an explosion at an al-Qaeda chemical weapons factory in Khan Sheikhoun that was caused either by an air strike or an accident.”

As expected, the UN affiliated chemical weapons watchdog, the OPCW, quickly announced they were “seriously concerned” about the alleged chemical attack, and that they were now “gathering and analysing information from all available sources”. One hopes that this will entail more than just looking at ‘activist’ or White Helmets material being circulated on the US and western media.

Incredibly, Kinzinger also said on national TV with CNN that people should ignore any stories which DO NOT implicate the Syrian government waged chemical attacks against its own people in East Ghouta in 2013 – and that these should be dismissed as “fake news” put out by ‘the Russians and the FSB.’ By this statement, Kinzinger is essentially saying that award-winning American journalists Seymour Hersh and Robert Parry are akin to being Russian agents. In fact, Kinzinger is wrong and lying in his capacity as a high-ranking House Committee member.

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In 2013, the US and UK went on an all-out propaganda blitz to try and implicate the Syrian Government in advance of war votes in both Washington and London. The campaign failed.

The following are links to a small sample of factual reports publicly available which clearly show that the alleged “Sarin Attack” in 2013 was in fact the work of western and Gulf-backed ‘opposition rebels’ (terrorists) and not the Assad government, and all of these reports have been more or less ignored by CNN, BBC and the entirety of the western mainstream media – because they do not fit into the western ‘regime change’ and US-led military intervention narrative:

Seymour M. Hersh
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m ... e-rat-line

Peter Lee
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/23/ ... -in-syria/

C.J. Chivers
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/world ... syria.html

Alex Newman
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/f ... -syria-war

Carla Del Ponte, UN Inspector
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 04920.html

Carmen Russell-Sluchansky
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-failed ... ck/188597/

Swedish Doctors for Human Rights
http://theindicter.com/swedish-doctors- ... -in-syria/

Patrick Henningsen (2013 chlorine incident)
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/03/27/i ... -in-syria/

Robert Parry
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/08/u ... l-attacks/

More on the MIT study debunking West theory on Ghouta:
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/20/m ... ons-claim/


http://www.globalresearch.ca/reviving-t ... ia/5583491
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Nordic » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:14 pm

Elvis » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:55 pm wrote:Is there any evidence that Assad had anything to do with this alleged gas attack?

After the 2013 fakeries, my default assumption is that this is more of the same.



Absolutely more of the same. The Deep State is determined to go through with this. They will NOT be stopped at any price.

Double whammy message to Moscow the last ywo days -- "stay the fuck out of our way".

We're going to be at war with Russia by the 4th of July. Next up will be an "attack" on American soil if, or, if not on American soil, against American military.

If you have the wherewithal so move south of the equator I suggest doing it ASAP.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:17 pm

but Hillary wasn't elected remember..only war with Russia if she got elected? Isn't that what you said?
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Nordic » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:18 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:17 pm wrote:but Hillary wasn't elected remember..only war with Russia if she got elected?



I think you'll be cackling with glee when the bombs start dropping. Because you'll feel vindicated. You'll quote on RI how many people are currently on the site right as we're snuffed out.

Good luck.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:23 pm

oh stop it
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Mulligan » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:30 pm

Good rundown of the available evidence so far here:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/20 ... dence-far/

There's no direct evidence that Assad ordered chemical attacks, but...

1) Assad aircraft committed airstrikes. This was confirmed by the UN and admitted by Russia and the Assad regime.

2) These airstrikes were at the same location of the sarin gas casualties.

3) These airstrikes happened at the same time as the sarin gas casualties.

4) Assad aircraft subsequently conducted air strikes on medical facilities treating the sarin gas victims.

The Alex Jones blame-it-on-the-White-Helmets crowd doesn't really ring true based on reports on the ground, unless the White Helmets are flying Assad planes now.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Rory » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:54 pm

Bellingcat? They have as much credibility as Alex Jones, no?

And Sarina gas victims, tended to by unprotected Al Qaeda Helmets terrorists, I mean "aid workers"? Does not make sense
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Mulligan » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:06 pm

Considering Alex Jones is blaming a gas attack on Syria on George Soros, yes, I feel confident saying a well-sourced article from Bellingcat is more credible.

I guess suspected sarin would be more accurate.
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