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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:33 am

The multilateral bombing of Syria posted by Richard Seymour

Donald Trump, the New York Times tells us, has a heart.

The terrifying story of Assad's chemical attack on Syrian civilians, wrenched his soul. That, the paper says, is why he sent aloft a few dozen Tomahawk missiles, and bombed a half-deserted Syrian airfield. Love Trumps Hate, after all.

The collapse of the alt-centre media into adulation of a president who has waged merciless war on them, is stunning to behold. But at least now, the demented conspiracy theories and anti-Russian nationalism, can cease. Keith Olbermann can stop bellowing about Russian scum. Whatever else Trump is, he is not Putin's pet.

So what is he?

When it comes to foreign policy, he talked like a Bannonite. America First, bash China, smash Islam. Now, he is sounding a bit more like his Vice President, Mike Pence. There is even talk from his UN representative Nikki Haley, though quickly rebutted by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, of prioritising the overthrow of Assad. That is unlikely to bear fruit, at least in the short term, because what is happening for now is not about Trump's heart, or convictions.

The bombing in Syria is not a significant departure from existing policy. That is because Trump's policy is the one left by the Obama administration. When he came to office, bragging that he had a great plan to destroy ISIS, what he meant was that he would tax the generals with producing one, and would support it. The plan they gave him, within his 30 day deadline, was one devised by the previous administration, and included a number of lines of escalation and expansion within the terms of the existing strategy.

That strategy, with regard to Daesh, can be summarised as: medium footprint, with aerial bombardment supporting local auxiliary forces. In relation to Syria, the Obama policy was what the 'Realists' of the Pentagon would call offshore balancing. In this context, it means supporting the weaker side just enough to prevent it from collapsing, thus allowing both sides to bleed one another to death. It also means, of course, tolerating Russian support for the regime, which may be the only thing keeping it alive. And in the context of the rise of Daesh as a parasitic factor on the military stalemate, it means a de facto military alliance with Russia, a multilateral bombing campaign targeting Daesh (and also Jaish al-Nusra). Thus, the Syrian revolution has been drowned in blood and reduced to brutal struggle for survival led by reactionaries, but Assad's army has also been decimated, and is almost entirely dependent on outside forces. Trump hasn't broken with either, thus far.

The only major difference is that Trump has relaxed the fairly exacting political oversight exercised by the Obama administration on the military's actions. He has loosened constraints on targeting, which were already abysmal, with the recent major bloodshed in Al-Yakla, Mosul and Raqqa being notable byproducts. He has expanded the war along lines indicated by his predecessor, in Somalia and Yemen, and has changed the rules of engagement so that parts of these countries are deemed 'war zones' which can be targeted under the laws of war.

The major significance of bombing the airfield is that, by punishing Assad, it is a slap in the face to Russia -- although a very gentle one, it seems, since Russia was carefully warned beforehand. There is a risk that the neo-Cold War hawks will start setting the tone and, in the context of Syria, prepare the ground for a dangerous and potentially disastrous inter-imperialist confrontation. Naturally, this would be less of a surprise if so many people hadn't inhaled the laughing gas about Trump being Putin's puppet. In fact, whatever connections he has to Russian capitalism (on this, see Jordy Cummings in Salvage) his amateurish pre-inauguration diplomacy with Russia seems to have been an ineffectual attempt to get Putin to relax support for Iran and Syria, and enlist him into a confrontation with North Korea. Indeed, though it is not widely reported, it is North Korea that has been the subject of Trump's rhetorical escalation in recent months. There is a reason why the Chinese government regards the Syria strike as a form of sabre-rattling against North Korea, and Rex Tillerson has been explicit about the connection.

The shift in register and rhetoric, however, is also linked to the resistance to Trump coming from within the state, 'deep' or otherwise. First, they engineered the ousting of General Michael Flynn, who was responsible for the organisation of the National Security Council which included Bannon as a permanent member and demoted the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Director of National Intelligence. Briefing and leaking against Flynn ultimately ensured his resignation, even though the charges seem relatively trivial. The old military and intelligence leadership regained their dominance. This decisive change also led to Steve Bannon's departure from the National Security Council, and the tempering of some of Trump's rhetoric -- his acceptance of the Iran deal for example.

Many mandarin liberal pundits talked, in the early days, about a possible military coup against Trump. Such a move would have reflected sheer panic, indicating a complete breakdown of the embedded knowledge, cohesion and technological sophistication of the old state elites. Now, the foreign policy commentariat speaks of Trump 'learning' -- and that is the correct term. The pedagogy has been crude in some ways: a ferociously alarmist media campaign fed by intelligence leaks and more or less open dissent in the apparatuses of state. But it has still showed far more patience and guile than a simple coup, and there is probably more afoot. So, what has been achieved on the empire front is not the recomposition of forces at the top that Bannon et al were aiming for, but a consolidation of the Pentagon's priorities.

The empowerment of the military elite is, in itself, dangerous enough -- particularly if it is linked to the creation of new far right networks within the state. Add to it the fact that this is the Trump administration. This is not business as usual, and it won't be until it is effectively a lame duck administration. The military establishment has succeeded in reining Trump in for now, but Bannon is still his chief advisor, and his team is still dominated by lunatics of various stripes. Such an administration, I suggest, is almost definitionally a war administration.

The obvious thing to do, as their agenda falls apart on a number of fronts, and domestic support collapses, would be to organise a major war. That would consolidate the chief executive's authority. It would give an organising impetus to the administration, cohering the apparatuses of the state and, if done well, summoning a degree of popular support. It would license a major augmentation of repressive capacities, and justify renewed aggression against the media: 21st century fascism finds the diffuse spectacle superior to the concentrated spectacle. And, of course, it would filter new loads of racist ideology into civil society. Syria may not be the front in which they choose to embark on that war, given the range of state and other agencies already embroiled in that situation, and the huge potential for calamity.

So what is Trump, if not a Russian puppet? He is a pure, concentrated expression of the culture of US imperialism.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:34 am

[BREAKING: USAF fires 59 Tomahawk missiles at London]

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American Dream: "While the US's military intervention in London is of course deeply problematic, we must also bear in mind that the current UK regime is far from perfect and indeed positively detested by many British citizens..."

[W]here does this sense of entitlement to meddle in the affairs of other countries come from? It is remarkable how little questioned is the practice of involving the U.S. state in the matters of other countries. Russia elected Putin. Syria elected Assad. And even if, EVEN IF, the elections were fraudulent (they werent, but this is a thought experiment) what concern is that of the United States? (Not to mention U.S. elections were not exactly models of probity of late).

The U.S. has 800 plus military bases around the world. There is no corner of the globe where you will not find the U.S. military. Do Americans think other countries WANT the U.S.military on their soil? I suppose some do, the fascistic current regime in Poland probably does. And even here in Norway, a nation of inestimable achievements and daily sanity, the general feeling is that having U.S. and NATO around serves as protection. But protection from what? This is really the question, or rather two questions. Who can possibly be thinking of invading Poland or Norway or Japan? The U.S. has bases in Italy, South Korea, Djibouti, Spain, Bahrain, Kuwait, Greece, it has 38 bases in Germany, and bases in the Bahamas, and in Brazil and Honduras and Singapore and Belgium. The list just goes on and on and on.

Why does the U.S. have a base in Bulgaria? The answer is, global hegemony. Total and absolute control of the world. That is the goal. And yet this topic is never ever raised in electoral debates or in mainstream media. Never ever.

- from "Cotton Mather’s Rolex", by John Steppling, April 7, 2017

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby barracuda » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:01 pm

MacCruiskeen » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:34 am wrote:[BREAKING: USAF fires 59 Tomahawk missiles at London]


I know you mean that as satire, but I feel confident in asserting that roughly half of the US citizenry would heartily support such a move. Maybe more, depending upon how hard our media works on demonizing Theresa May.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby dada » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:19 pm

Total and absolute control of the world. That is the goal. And yet this topic is never ever raised in electoral debates or in mainstream media. Never ever.


Of course this is true. For some, it's an obvious fact, for others, part of a web of unconscious assumptions.

Total and absolute control for who, or what, though. The US? On one level, sure. International capital? On another level, yes. All the dictators, big and small, dog-kings of their castle-kennels? The control systems on each level work together. Control always fears that it is not in control, irrational fear spawns irrational behavior.

Question the unconscious assumptions, control freaks out. Donald in an interview on '60 minutes,' implies that US troops are killers. The media goes nuts. How dare he call US troops "killers"!? He's broken a taboo, the primitive-superstitious foundations of the culture are shaken. The witch doctors work overtime to reinforce the narrative of control, to cleanse themselves by self-hypnosis. Boy, that was scary. Might have started a chain reaction. The domino effect in the mind.

But this is boring, annoying analysis, "off-topic," from the inside, out. We want outside-in analysis. Give us Richard Seymour. We want analysis on one level, ignoring the others. Make us feel smart, Richard.

We have difficulty looking at things on more than one level at a time. We get caught in our own webs of unconscious assumptions, our own control games. "The information war is real, and we're losing." Sounds like a loser script to me. Hopelessly lost in war games.

"Future evolution depends on the decisions I make now." Bob's example of a neurogenetic winner's script. What does it mean? It's almost like a zen koan. If I'm brutally honest with myself, logical, analytical, critical, I realize that these 'decisions I make now that future evolution depend on' look nothing like I thought they would look like. They're not in the obvious chain of cause and effect.

I want the same for the people of Syria as I want for everyone. No, not "peace and happiness," bla bla bla. My wish is for clarity, evolution. Politically, probably some form of federation of workers councils, I don't know. Something the control narrative would call anarchy. Does fighting for hearts and minds on a message board get us any closer? Any further? I'm not so sure.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:04 pm

"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:20 pm

Former UK ambassador to Syria, Peter Ford, April 7, 2017: "I don't leave my brains at the door. ... We cannot take at face value what the so-called intelligence experts tell us, especially when they have an agenda."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU5taO5vRDo

...accompanied by sign-language for the hard of hearing.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Sounder » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:50 pm

MacCruiskeen » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:34 am wrote:
[BREAKING: USAF fires 59 Tomahawk missiles at London]



I know you mean that as satire, but I feel confident in asserting that roughly half of the US citizenry would heartily support such a move. Maybe more, depending upon how hard our media works on demonizing Theresa May.


Hopefully you mean that as satire because most people would not think to bomb a city to try to kill one person. Or would they? I don't know what world I live in anymore.

For Mulligan,

https://clarityofsignal.com/2017/01/27/ ... ist-group/

White Helmets Exposed as an Arm of ISIS: Two al-Nusra Front Leader Videos Link The White Helmets to Terrorist Group
Newly revealed video shows the #1 al-Nusra Front terrorist in Syria Abdullah al-Muhaysini admitting the White Helmets are Mujadadeen islamic fighters.

extensive evidence at link
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby tapitsbo » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:02 pm

People who support the White Helmets and are involved in signal boosting them likely don't have a problem with them being mujahideen; media is full of torturous justifications for "our" alliance with these groups
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Elvis » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:15 am

Sounder wrote:https://clarityofsignal.com/2017/01/27/ ... ist-group/


Thanks Sounder. Especially pertinent is the report from Rep. Gabbard, who had the plain sense to go see for herself what's going on. Every word she says here needs to be heard far and wide:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZuLzHyUpI

The page has some good photo evidence and observes:

It’s noteworthy that the entire US media has now gone quiet about what is going on in Aleppo after the Syrian and Russian armed forces liberated the city. The US media has also stopped reporting on the White Helmets as there headquarters was found to be empty and the $100 million in funding for them obviously did not go to any part of East Aleppo. The question remains to be answered as to where the money actually went.

What the images, videos and links above show is that these individuals are all linked together. They are all part and parcel of the same propaganda ruse…….and the US media has openly worked to exploit that ruse and lie to the American people and the world as a whole. This is the greatest fraud of the 21st century.


Another video on the page goes into some detail about how the terrorists commit atrocities—as we can see in videos of ISIS beheading children in Syrian streets—to blame on Assad and the Syrian Army. Sure enough, the claims burble up in the press that Assad's army is torturing and killing children and leaving the corpses on parents' doorsteps—when in fact, videos show these acts are committed by the terrorists.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Elvis » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:03 am

There's one actor in this media reality show who usually gets very few, if any, lines. His character (the villian) is key to the story, but every time he's given dialog he just totally goes off-script!:

BBC exclusive interview with President Bashar al-Assad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiC4w7Erz8I

Assad is clearly a rational human being and he points out the absurdity of the Western government/media claims. Interesting to compare with Saddam Hussein: Saddam answered Western reporters' questions by talking in circles for five minutes; Assad answers directly and explains the logic (because the BBC interviewer needs to have common sense ideas explained to him).
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Grizzly » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:40 am

http://vidmax.com/video/155313--No-Gas- ... cal-Attack
'No Gas Attack, It was a Factory that Was Destroyed, the Gas leaked" Says a British Journalist about the Syrian Chemical Attack
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:53 pm

Oh? A factory that manufactured Sarin?
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:05 pm

There has been absolutely no independent confirmation that it was sarin, and there are several reasons to doubt that it was. Hence the Russian insistence on an independent multi-national investigation.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Mulligan » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:32 pm

WASHINGTON — The White House on Tuesday accused the Russian government of engaging in a cover-up of the chemical weapons attack last week by Syrian forces that prompted American airstrikes, saying that United States intelligence and numerous contemporaneous reports confirmed that the Syrians used sarin gas on their own people.

In a declassified four-page report that details United States intelligence on the chemical weapons attack, the White House asserted that the Syrian and Russian governments have sought to confuse the world community about the assault through disinformation and “false narratives.”

Senior White House officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the government’s view, said Russia’s goal was to cover up Syrian regime culpability.

The officials said they could not comment on the possibility that the Russian government knew in advance of Syria’s plan to carry out the chemical weapons attack, or of a subsequent attack on a hospital that was treating victims.

But one official said that, given the history of close cooperation between the Syrian and Russian militaries, Moscow must answer for the attacks. Pentagon officials have said that Russian personnel were at the Syrian base used to launch the chemical weapons attack.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/worl ... house.html


Trump looking for a wartime ratings bump?
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby semper occultus » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:44 pm

wondering if Syria is the feint ( has it actually got any oil ? :shrug: ) and distraction for the real geo-political chess move in North Korea - that's China's Ukraine - the buffer zone whose removal takes the blue team right up to the front step - although god know's what the globalist corporate elite have against China these days other than being better neo-liberal capitalist runng-dogs than them
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