[POLL] Abolish the "ignore" function.

[identity]

The copy pasta is disingenuous and disrespectful. At best, it's an attempt at message management, at worst, thought control. Its existence is a reflection of what this board actually is rather than what some less agenda driven posters may perceive it is or could be. If I were a mod again, given what I've learned behind the scenes, a number of posters would, without explanation, go *poof*, and I would feel no guilt about it whatsoever.

PW, if you were asked to express in a few lines "what this board actually is rather than what some less agenda driven posters may perceive it is or could be," what would you say?

And, to what extent does "what I've learned behind the scenes" go beyond Searcher08's excellent breakdown of "The game: How to maximise your domination and disruption of those who do not agree with you" here: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38687&start=105#p558916 ?

I would not expect you to reveal here what specifically you learned behind the scenes, but my assumption is that one of those things involved (apparently) different forum users posting from identical or related IP ranges (e.g. same provider, same geographical area). Would doing that (when it was obviously—from the content of the posts—the same person or people posting under different handles) have been a bannable offense?

[dada]

I'm going to go on continuing off-topic, if you don't mind.

"Same dog whistle crap as with labeling those who are not agreeing with you. It's such knee jerk reactions that make the threads turn south. At RI if you don't agree with the mainstream echo chamber..."

So we understand each other.

Men's rights activism is not welcome here. See, I'm blowing my cat whistle. fweet fweet.

I have a knee jerk reaction to troll-culture, it's true, I've never tried to hide it. I see no problem with that. I don't feel bad about having a knee-jerk response to it.

I just don't like it. If you like it, fine, we can agree to disagree. Just keep it to yourself. Keep the thoughts inside your brain, or discuss them somewhere else. Don't share them on RI, it isn't welcome here.

And don't worry, if every member of the RI he-man woman-haters fanclub disappeared from the face of this board tomorrow, we'd still have AD around to keep us up to speed on all the latest developments.

I'm a multi-dimensional entity. And I don't like much of anything. Most of it comes down to "little world" and "big world." In the little world are all the little things. What most people value. Family, kids, community, sports... money, work, politics, the news. All the important things in life. The little world keeps spinning round and round. I'm critical of it. But I live in it. Where my criticism isn't welcome, I keep it to myself. I don't go around raining on all the little parades I see around me every day.

This is in the real world I'm talking about. It's a realization, an insight I had recently. I was looking at the newspaper, after going to a social event. I was thinking, "why does all this stuff bug me? It's just little world things. Not really my concern."

The big world is what I'm concerned about. Evolution, timelessness. I'm not Cultural Marxist Man, in a struggle to the death with trolls. It's not something I spend my energy on. I see it, I react, I move on. There's no need for more than that. Evolution, timelessness. A bigger picture. That's where my focus is.

[km artlu]

If I were a mod again, given what I've learned behind the scenes, a number of posters would, without explanation, go *poof*, and I would feel no guilt about it whatsoever.

What you wrote there had a surprising emotional impact on me, Willow. Kinda like a detective telling me: No, you're not paranoid. Your phone's tapped and you're being followed everywhere you go.

Sure would be a wonderful thing if you were to contact Jeff for brief reinstatement as a mod. Saddle up Unforgiven-style for one last job; ride in and clean up this town as in your quote above.

[justdrew]

folks. please.

We are not the Central Committee of the Permanent Revolution here. If I were willing to give up my sacred and hard won position of total ignorance I too would vanish some accounts. but if I start down that road, I suspect at some point no one at all would be left. We're way too small for professional level fuckery. At best we're messed with by farm-team wanna-bees. Surely. PM me if you REALLY think I'm wrong.

[Heaven Swan]

Thanks Wombat and Willow for the support on the GI thread.

We have had good conversations on that thread and hope they will continue.

It wouldn't bother me if he posted an occasional article but in addition to lately taking it in a data-dump direction, he must have set up an alert because every time I posted, within 15 or 20 minutes he would post-something right after it, which led me to think that no one might read what I posted since so many avoid him.

[km artlu]

We're way too small for professional level fuckery

To be clear, Drew, about any part I may have played to inspire your statement above. My analogy was meant to express a little levity. I don't suspect mustache-twirling villainy. I do see what I believe is willful disregard for the general welfare by some here.

[brekin]

If I were a mod again, given what I've learned behind the scenes, a number of posters would, without explanation, go *poof*, and I would feel no guilt about it whatsoever.

What you wrote there had a surprising emotional impact on me, Willow. Kinda like a detective telling me: No, you're not paranoid. Your phone's tapped and you're being followed everywhere you go.
Sure would be a wonderful thing if you were to contact Jeff for brief reinstatement as a mod. Saddle up Unforgiven-style for one last job; ride in and clean up this town as in your quote above.

So you are in favor of the discussion forum version of extra judicial assasination?
That has a suprising emotional impact on me to. I wouldn't pine for a R.I. version of Night of the Long Knives.

[seemslikeadream]

as if there weren't enough problems here ...now EVERYONE IS A SUSPECT

nice way of putting out the welcome mat



thanks drew

folks. please.

We are not the Central Committee of the Permanent Revolution here. If I were willing to give up my sacred and hard won position of total ignorance I too would vanish some accounts. but if I start down that road, I suspect at some point no one at all would be left. We're way too small for professional level fuckery. At best we're messed with by farm-team wanna-bees. Surely. PM me if you REALLY think I'm wrong.

We're way too small for professional level fuckery.

[JackRiddler]

So you are in favor of the discussion forum version of extra judicial assasination?
That has a suprising emotional impact on me to. I wouldn't pine for a R.I. version of Night of the Long Knives.

Oh for fuck's sake, this is shameful rhetoric. For once an invocation of Godwin's Law would be valid.

An Internet board might adopt limits on membership based on its mission, the preferences of its founders and laborers, and/or a consensus among a group of its members. Big fucking deal. Those who don't like the results don't stop breathing and are in no way penalized, and they can start their own blog, FB page, youtube channel, whatever, and see what audience they attract.

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[seemslikeadream]

well we know for certain that you are not

an agenda driven poster

so nothing for you to worry about


when everyone else is banned or leaves you can talk with yourself


the smell of paranoia that's just what we need here

[minime]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[brekin]

So you are in favor of the discussion forum version of extra judicial assasination?
That has a suprising emotional impact on me to. I wouldn't pine for a R.I. version of Night of the Long Knives.

Oh for fuck's sake, this is shameful rhetoric. For once an invocation of Godwin's Law would be valid.
An Internet board might adopt limits on membership based on its mission, the preferences of its founders and laborers, and/or a consensus among a group of its members. Big fucking deal. Those who don't like the results don't stop breathing and are in no way penalized, and they can start their own blog, FB page, youtube channel, whatever, and see what audience they attract.
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Jacky blue you can't have it both ways. Your snobby elitism inner circle mentality erodes your liberalism.
The following is indefensible and I know old JR thinks being RI Party Member 008 affords him some lofty perch. It doesn't. And those who think they are on the inside often have the hardest time when they themselves go "poof".
This isn't about preferences or board culture, but secret trials deciding banishment based on personal ideologies and personalities. Unless PW wants to share the "secret dossier" this is just romanticizing a purge.

If I were a mod again, given what I've learned behind the scenes, a number of posters would, without explanation, go *poof*, and I would feel no guilt about it whatsoever.

[seemslikeadream]

yea how were the contents of those secret dossiers acquired?

a mod reading pms?

personal sign up info attained by the mod and then a criminal/mindcontrollers background check on us all?

just fucking gossip?

pray tell

I didn't know gathering info for the archives would get me in so much trouble

if everyone here started posting the gossip we have on everyone else there'd be hell to pay

[MacCruiskeen]

What I still don't understand is how Project Willow managed to get her name removed from the same list when she stopped down long after Dr Volin. Your guess is as good as mine.

It may have something to do with the fact that I have slept on Jeff Wells' couch.

Aha. I think I understand now. So former Mods have to actually physically visit Maison Wells in order to be de-Modified? And Jeff alone possesses the power to zap their names off the Moderator List? RI is an even stranger place than I thought. (You couldn't make this stuff up.)


Professor Wells presents his new prototype Modbot

I have made other IRL connections through this board that turned out to be the polar opposite, completely unsafe. This is why I stopped moderating in 2015 and disappeared for awhile. I don't participate here very often anymore, but I absolutely do need the ignore function for just this reason.

That sounds... disturbing. And it's a damn shame that you stopped moderating and left, and felt you had to. Though honestly, Willow, I don't really understand how the ignore function actually helps you in that case. Unless you mean that there are some posters you found so unpleasant or dangerous in real life that you can't stand even seeing their names or their posts here. (I'm not grilling you for an explanation, though. Do whatever you feel like doing, of course, or whatever you need to do. If the ignore function helps you in any way, then that's already reason enough for it not be abolished.)

The copy pasta is disingenuous and disrespectful. At best, it's an attempt at message management, at worst, thought control.

Right. It's also a way of burying other people's posts, their actual attempts to discuss a topic, in a torrent of second-hand text. It can make discussion literally impossible, or futile. It's sabotage. And when it's done by someone who pretends not to be able to even see what others are posting (because he has them all "on ignore") then it's particularly infuriating and demoralising.

Its existence is a reflection of what this board actually is rather than what some less agenda driven posters may perceive it is or could be.
If I were a mod again, given what I've learned behind the scenes, a number of posters would, without explanation, go *poof*, and I would feel no guilt about it whatsoever.

Again, this is disturbing ("sinister" is the word, really), and also very hard to understand. Cryptic messages, dark hints... When and how did everything about this place become so damn mysterious?

Be safe out there folks.

The same to you in spades, Willow. Good to see you here, especially in this thread.

Since you're discussing this. I'd like to lodge a complaint about the "US Government Rules on Gender Identity" thread. I started it as a discussion thread and the copy-pasta poster in question has added 6 posts in a row and is turning it into a data-dump.

Agreed. It's your thread, it's totally appropriate to ask him to stop. Personally, I view his position on that issue as MRA.

If asking him to stop would have stopped him, then he'd have stopped long ago. So many people asked him, in so many threads, so many times.

[American Dream]

This thread should not exist at all, according to our longstanding agreements. Why was it not locked long ago? If Jeff were more active here, I highly doubt things would not have continued as they have.

I plan on posting here once and once only.

I do have opinions about various topics such as: Racism, Transphobia, Assadism, Putinophilia, etc. that some may not like.If so, you are under no obligation from me to read and I often try to post a brief excerpt and a link so that you can scan quickly.

If the board could/did come together around new agreements that applied equally to everyone- and not just the chosen target of a bullying campaign- I would certainly adhere to these new agreements.

If we want to create new guidelines for this board, I would greatly appreciate Jeff's input.

That's my two cents! I have no plans of reading or commenting on this thread anymore, as we still do have the capacity to "ignore" and keep the drama and hatred turned down low..

Over and Out


A.D.