Who Was Seth Rich?

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby liminalOyster » Fri May 19, 2017 4:09 pm

Cordelia » Fri May 19, 2017 3:35 pm wrote:
PS. Total sidenote but, as I don't want to reactivate that damn #pizzagate thread, just needed to mention I'm in DC for a few nights and randomly walked by Comet Ping Pong earlier and am 100% convinced it's just a middling gentrifiers magnet and nothing more.


With all due respect, how can one randomly walk by anything and be 100% convinced about anything definitive about it?
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I apologize and I totally agree. Should have been more clear - I already thought as much based on lots and lots of research and consideration but when I suddenly noticed it in the block I was on, my gut just sort of *responded.* But I totally hear you.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Fri May 19, 2017 4:49 pm

^^^
I sure understand gut responses; no need to apologize.

(My own is that high profile figures here, like Burkman, Bauman & Wheeler, are operatives w/personal, professional, political agendas & alliances other than solving a young man’s murder, or in protecting the interests of his family. That no-one seems sincere is a pity and an outrage. And that the MPDC's chilling silence speaks volumes.)
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun May 21, 2017 5:57 pm

Very interesting new post by Caitlin Johnstone, best read at source for the many embedded tweets* and links. See also the comments thread, in which she replies to objections raised.

Caitlin Johnstone

May 20

Someone Just Edited Seth Rich’s Reddit Posts

[...]

As explained by iBankCoin, the discovery of Seth Rich’s main account led to the discovery of his secondary account u/pandas4bernie, the existence of which confirms what we’ve all suspected for a long time: that Rich was a closet Bernie supporter. Rich really, really, really, REALLY loved pandas, his known Instagram handle was panda4progress, and both u/pandas4bernie and Rich’s main account u/MeGrimlock4 stopped posting right after his murder. They’re both him. This adds a great deal of weight to the argument that Rich was upset about the way Sanders was being cheated by the DNC and used his access as DNC Voter Expansion Director to pass Committee emails to late WikiLeaks director Gavin MacFadyen as an anonymous federal investigator is reported to have informed Fox News.

All of this could have been completely dismissed and denied in the public debate by proponents of the establishment narrative, if someone hadn’t had the sense to archive Seth Rich’s account before whoever edited it deleted the email address with Rich’s full name in it, linking him conclusively to the account u/MeGrimlock4.

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https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/some ... 5f185b0aab


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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Sun May 21, 2017 6:59 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:confirms what we’ve all suspected for a long time: that Rich was a closet Bernie supporter


Wow. She appears to be correct about the user handles. If so, this is very significant.

Thanks for posting that.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun May 21, 2017 9:12 pm

Elvis » Sun May 21, 2017 5:59 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen wrote:confirms what we’ve all suspected for a long time: that Rich was a closet Bernie supporter


Wow. She appears to be correct about the user handles. If so, this is very significant.


Right. So why is there so little interest in investigating this case? Why, on the contrary, is there such a mad rush to stamp it all out as "conspiracy theorising", while "OMG PUTIN HACKED OUR ELECTION OMFG!!!" now passes as plain common sense despite being supported by no evidence whatsoever?

Here Mike Whitney asks precisely that question:

May 19, 2017

Seth Rich, Craig Murray and the Sinister Stewards of the National Security State

by Mike Whitney

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Why is it a “conspiracy theory” to think that a disgruntled Democratic National Committee staffer gave WikiLeaks the DNC emails, but not a conspiracy theory to think the emails were provided by Russia?

Why?

Which is the more likely scenario: That a frustrated employee leaked damaging emails to embarrass his bosses or a that foreign government hacked DNC computers for some still-unknown reason?

That’s a no-brainer, isn’t it?

Former-DNC employee, Seth Rich, not only had access to the emails, but also a motive. He was pissed about the way the Clinton crowd was “sandbagging” Bernie Sanders. In contrast, there’s neither evidence nor motive connecting Russia to the emails. On top of that, WikiLeaks founder, Julien Assange (a man of impeccable integrity) has repeatedly denied that Russia gave him the emails which suggests the government investigation is completely misdirected. The logical course of action, would be to pursue the leads that are most likely to bear fruit, not those that originate from one’s own political bias. But, of course, logic has nothing to do with the current investigation, it’s all about politics and geopolitics.

We don’t know who killed Seth Rich and we’re not going to speculate on the matter here. But we find it very strange that neither the media nor the FBI have pursued leads in the case that challenge the prevailing narrative on the Russia hacking issue. Why is that? Why is the media so eager to blame Russia when Rich looks like the much more probable suspect?

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http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/ ... ity-state/

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Mon May 22, 2017 4:03 am

:shrug:

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Nordic » Mon May 22, 2017 4:18 am

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby km artlu » Mon May 22, 2017 6:23 am

Mac
Thanks man. Actual reporting is such a bracing antidote to the murk of propaganda.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby elfismiles » Mon May 22, 2017 11:11 am

So ... surprised no one has posted this yet:

The Seth Rich conspiracy shows how fake news still works
By David Weigel May 20
...
So: Dotcom, who is facing extradition from New Zealand to America, and who has personally blamed Barack Obama for his legal trouble, claims in May 2017 that he knew crucial details about a political murder from July 2016. Why would he have sat on that during a hotly contested election, one that looked until the last minute to be queuing up Obama's chosen successor?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 8420718923



Hacker Kim Dotcom Claims Late DNC Staffer Seth Rich Was ...
Radar Online-17 hours ago
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/h ... ks-source/

Seth Rich murder conspiracy theories re-emerge as Kim Dotcom ...
NEWS.com.au-May 20, 2017
http://www.news.com.au/technology/onlin ... e30a918178

Seth Rich Conspiracy Theories Re-Emerge As Kim Dotcom Says ...
International Business Times-5 hours ago
http://www.ibtimes.com/seth-rich-conspi ... ks-2541925
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon May 22, 2017 12:40 pm

elfismiles » Mon May 22, 2017 10:11 am wrote:So ... surprised no one has posted this yet:

The Seth Rich conspiracy shows how fake news still works
By David Weigel May 20
...
So: Dotcom, who is facing extradition from New Zealand to America, and who has personally blamed Barack Obama for his legal trouble, claims in May 2017 that he knew crucial details about a political murder from July 2016. Why would he have sat on that during a hotly contested election, one that looked until the last minute to be queuing up Obama's chosen successor?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 8420718923



Hacker Kim Dotcom Claims Late DNC Staffer Seth Rich Was ...
Radar Online-17 hours ago
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/h ... ks-source/

Seth Rich murder conspiracy theories re-emerge as Kim Dotcom ...
NEWS.com.au-May 20, 2017
http://www.news.com.au/technology/onlin ... e30a918178

Seth Rich Conspiracy Theories Re-Emerge As Kim Dotcom Says ...
International Business Times-5 hours ago
http://www.ibtimes.com/seth-rich-conspi ... ks-2541925


The CIA's weaponised term "conspiracy theory" is itself a smoking gun par excellence. It's only ever used by powerworshippers, courtiers, toadies, and liars, so it's no surprise to see the WaPo laying it on so thick.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Mon May 22, 2017 1:31 pm

^^^
Last week the WaPo even dug Vince Foster up to add to their mix of ridicule for people questioning deaths connected to powerful people/organizations.


In rumors around a DNC staffer’s death, a whiff of a Clinton-era conspiracy theory


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ret ... 45afdb8d4b


It’s so clear to me; Rich was assassinated (not by 'The Russians) because he presented a threat and by continuing to call it a ‘botched robbery’ a message is also sent to any other potential threats: If you fuck with us, we’ll kill you, manipulate the people who care the most--your family—w/our handlers, and the police will bury your case.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon May 22, 2017 3:32 pm

Mathias Bröckers always refers to WaPo as "The Brainwashington Post", and repetition is essential to brainwashing. So it's worth noting that the very same David Weigel was back only one day later, assiduously washing readers' brains in a separate article about the very same topic in the very same publication:

Gingrich spreads conspiracy theory about slain DNC staffer

There is no evidence that Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks, despite the former House speaker’s claims.

May 21, 2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pow ... 267536f3b5


The propaganda techniques aren't even sophisticated, because they don't need to be: 1) Discredit By Association. 2) Reinforce Team Loyalty. (Only dumb rubes, Fox News addicts, & far-right Republican crazies can have any questions about Seth Rich's unexplained, uninvestigated murder -- and you're not one of them, are you? Of course you're not! You're no Conspiracy Nut; you're a reader of this august journal. You're sophisticated!)

Expect to see more of this.

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon May 22, 2017 3:47 pm

Some investigation this was:

A manager of the Washington, D.C., bar where Democratic National Committee worker Seth Rich was last spotted hours before he was shot and killed last summer told WND that D.C. police officers never interviewed the bar’s staff or requested any evidence from the bar, including the bar’s surveillance video from that night, as part of an investigation into Rich’s murder.

The revelation backs up a claim made by a private investigator who worked on the case who said D.C. police were told to “stand down” on the investigation.

WND also can report that the investigator recently was ordered to “cease and desist” his work on the murder case.

“The police never asked for the surveillance video from that night,” a manager of Lou’s City Bar told WND.

His name is being withheld for this story.

He said the bar’s surveillance video runs in a cycle of 30 days and that, by now, any footage that may have existed of Rich the last night he was seen alive has been taped over.

Furthermore, the manager said police never asked for any other kind of evidence from the bar such as Rich’s bar receipt from that night.
The manager did note he wasn’t sure if Rich paid using a credit card or cash.

The manager also said he’s not aware of the police ever interviewing any of the bar’s staff members as part of their investigation into Rich’s murder.

“The only time that I talked to police was during the memorial for Seth,” the manager said, noting that those conversations were more casual and friendly.

He did not believe the conversations were part of official police interviews regarding Rich’s murder investigation.

[...]

http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager- ... RPGHkpe.99


And look at this, from Newsweek:

While the FBI is not investigating the case, an investigation by Washington’s Metropolitan Police Department remains active, according to the department. “We continue to work with the family to bring closure to this case, as we do with all homicide investigations,” a police spokesperson said in a statement. The department is offering a reward of up to $25,000 for information leading to an arrest and conviction. Asked about the claims made in the Fox News report, a spokesperson for the department says by email, “MPD does not entertain conspiracy theories.”

http://www.newsweek.com/seth-rich-dnc-s ... fbi-610383


What is this "bring closure" shit? The DC Metropolitan Police Dept is not a grief counselling service. It is not the police's job to bring closure [insert projectile-vomit-smiley] but to investigate the crime (the crime being murder, remember) with a view to apprehending & interrogating one or more suspects and perhaps eventually even securing a conviction.

And "work[ing] with the family"? What on earth does the family have to do with the investigation of the crime? Nothing! (Unless this creep is hinting that the Rich family are suspects, ffs.)

When did this kind of vacuous, sanctimonious hogwash become acceptable, especially as a police statement? All that's missing is a strings soundtrack. Truly, TV and the movies have a lot to answer for in the USA.

That's not the nadir, though. This is:

Asked about the claims made in the Fox News report, a spokesperson for the department says by email, “MPD does not entertain conspiracy theories.”


Of course it fucking does, but only when it's actually doing its fucking job. I.e., a functioning police department collects and examines the evidence (including surveillance camera footage), interviews witnesses, considers various hypotheses, thinks about means, motive & opportunity, identifies possible suspects, interrogates those suspects, checks out their alibis if they have any, and (in short) does everything in its power to investigate the fucking crime.

"Conspiracy theories"! It is Criminology 101.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Mon May 22, 2017 4:15 pm

^^^
Bingo ........thanks for that Mac. Must be SOP for the (MPDC) police when pressure from above against solving a case is greater than the pressure to solve it. (After all, the police can’t risk finding clues that could jeopardize a cover-up or the real killers.)
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Grizzly » Tue May 23, 2017 2:42 am

Mac!
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