Fuck the Tories

[stefano]

[Harvey]

But the exit polls were very (and suspiciously?) wrong in 2015.

They were wrong, yes.

Already many reports of lost postal votes in marginal Tory seats. Two years of intense anti-Corbyn Propaganda from every last official media organ. Anything but a Labour wipe out would have been a victory of sorts. Looking less bleak than than that.

[stefano]

Not sure where this is, somewhere North-East, but Tories outperforming the exit poll on the count. Makes you wonder how many ballots were ruled invalid and for what reason.

[Harvey]

Not sure where this is, somewhere North-East, but Tories outperforming the exit poll on the count. Makes you wonder how many ballots were ruled invalid and for what reason.

Tyne and Wear. Sunderland, Gateshead, Newcastle etc. It's actually looking pretty good at the moment with Tory's getting lesser share than the exit polls predict.

[Harvey]

Double the Labour swing in Kettering despite not taking the seat. Bodes ill for the Tories. Looking good. Pattern is holding for other Tory Wins so far which I assume puts Labour in a good position.

[Harvey]

Looking very bad for the Tory's. Could well be the beginning of the end for the bastards. Hard to describe how much was arranged against Corbyn here. More than the combined MSM move against Trump to a massive degree because Corbyn got a fraction of Trumps press - even in the UK, even in a general election. Simply staggering rejection of the neo-liberal/neo-conservative world view. I hope this turns out to be a massive fuck you to Milton Friedman.

[smiths]

as well as the MSM being against him (including the Guardian),

the majority of his own Labour MPs were against him

its extraordinary

[Elvis]

But the exit polls were very (and suspiciously?) wrong in 2015.

Right. Meanwhile the hand-wringing and fevered mantra of "Russian interference!—Threatening our Precious Democracy!" serves as a smokescreen for rotten voting machine companies who build in the vulnerabilities, and corrupt local election officials (at least in the U.S.) with access to the software. Despite reports of vote-flipping etc. in the 2016 U.S. election, I've seen almost zero mention of it anywhere, including this board.

NPR has a new program called "1A" and last night was about the security of the U.S. state voting systems. I'd rate it PG ("pretty good") but they should have had Bev Harris on as one of the 'experts'.

Since 2000/2004, exit poll discrepancies in the U.S. (and now apparently in the UK?) are just glossed over, ignored by MSM—when they should be screaming bloody murder.


I sure hope Corbyn pulls a victory!

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Awright troops? Whit ye's been up tae?

There is massive potential for hilarity here as the results filter in, but I fear it will still be a Tory majority (reduced I hope). Not watching the seats as they come in, so hopefully there hasn't been some major and definitive catastrophe yet, like Glasgow East going Conservative.

Thanks for that article on the last page Mac, but I wouldn't have voted Labour in this election even if you'd paid me to. If I voted for them up here, I'd be voting for a Scottish Labour candidate, and they are more opposed to Corbyn than the SNP are. I'd only be putting obstacles in his path.

Plus, there is the danger of voting for a third-placed Labour candidate in an SNP-held seat, and letting the Tories in through the back door. They've burst my back doors in enough in the past. I won't risk letting them do it again.

Corbyn's manifesto was good though, I am unable to be angry at the youngsters here who will temporarily switch back to Labour in hopes of a Corbyn government and thereby let a Tory be elected to represent their constituency.

The guy who made that Cameron rapmashup has made a new one about Theresa May, but it is not as catchy or good, and let's face it - no one wants to see her. Not even for satirical purposes.

Thatcher never had that problem, I'll say that for the deranged auld harridan. She was worth mocking.

[stefano]

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Kill me. Please.



Counterpoint, so as to avoid any accusations of bias:

[MacCruiskeen]

Well, y'know, well done Jeremy Corbyn and all that.

But the bottom line is: Having campaigned successfully on a promise to restore slavery, leprosy, thumbscrews and the 16-hour working day, the Tories will continue to rule the UK, in alliance with a party whose sole identifiable policy is 'Crush the Taigs'. So I'm keeping the champagne in the fridge, unopened.

Vox populi, vox dei. Every time I'm in the so-called Home Counties I meet the nicest, politest, most jolly civilized people you could imagine, and I nod & smile back at them and think: "You voted Tory, you shite."

[MacCruiskeen]

Ahab, hiya. Commiserations about the SNP's heavy losses. I'd be interested to hear why you think that happened. I haven't been following Scottish politics at all closely since the referendum. Has Corbyn persuaded a lot of Scots to vote Labour again? Have the SNP themselves been performing really badly over the last couple of years?

And the Tories now have 13 seats in Scotland! Ffs, how on earth did they manage that? Twelve gains, and their best result north of the border since 1983.

I've just read this short article:

[...]



This is not only unforgivable, but also an offence under the rules of the Labour Party with an automatic penalty of expulsion.

And it bolstered the Tories, boosting them into their gains from the SNP last night, without which Theresa May would not be able to limp on propped up by Democratic Unionists.

There can be no redemption from that.

Were it not for her inexcusable and idiotic betrayal, Labour would be preparing for government this morning – and the country would be waking up to a future of hope.

Even if her Blairite allies try to save her by crediting her, against all the evidence, for Labour’s Scottish gains last night, she has no place in the Party, let alone leading it in Scotland.

She must go – and go now. If she does not, then her Party must prepare a challenger and topple her for the good of Scotland and the UK.

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/06/09/for-ha ... 17-labour/

ON EDIT: So the big swing was indeed from SNP to Tory (and not SNP-to-Labour):



WTF?

[JackRiddler]

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Three-way races, single winner. Run it 100 times and the outcomes may or may not scatter over a predictable normal curve. It is not democracy but there is a logic to it related to keeping monopoly of sovereignty in a single state, and of course contstitutional changes always encounter entrenched resistance from many directions.

Because of the arbitrary nature of three or four-way struggles in single winner territorial representation systems, these necessarily gravitate to equilibria over extended periods in which two bureaucratic parties with quasi-permanent leadership castes patch together broad coalitions of varied voter clienteles (with sudden breakdowns like we have seen recently). Everyone gets accustomed to lesser-evil voting and there really is no arguing against the practice, only against the system itself. This allows private power centers to run actual policy in opaque fashion. You get high but usually stable levels of political corruption. It increasingly renders politics meaningless and party messages disposable, eventually (but not very quickly in most cases) leading to the breakdowns when larger crises manifest. These usually see ideological or programmatic renewals but once the equilibrium is reestablished the tendencies to empty symbolic politics are reasserted.

Only a fully proportional representation system can be democratic. Crazy to think, but I think Germany's the only full democracy in a high-population country, and the only one with a functioning federalism that doesn't mean a feudality of jurisdictions (like in the U.S.). Yet it's fucking Germany. Most of the job of maintaining the status quo and keeping the people loyal to their forms of capitalism and imperialism is done by a powerfully conservative (but not right wing!) culture and the national success, i.e., the long-term high relative prosperity within the international order of competing national units.

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[MacCruiskeen]

^^

Jeremy Corbyn was just 2,227 votes away from having the chance to become Prime Minister in the general election, an analysis of marginal seats has revealed.

If the Labour leader had won seven seats narrowly taken by the Conservatives, he would have had the opportunity to form a “progressive alliance” with all other smaller parties, barring the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 82581.html