Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[Brentos]

I'm more on Dave McGowan's side with all this stuff. And history is replete with patsies, and proof of this type of terror (against innocents instead of strategeic ($) targets for PR value) in the past is there. Yet, yeah, there doesn't need to be a why, either, and sure lone nutters/copycats do obviously exist. But, it could well be that the meme of the lone nut monster/senseless violence/dont ask why was created from PR, as Dave suggests. What this guy did as a lone nut definitely makes no sense at all. As far as generating a meme, the vague after reports/(cover story?) like in the NYT article posted above, that he may have scoped other events, could easily be more PR.
So *if* there is any sense, it comes from other scenarios. This 'rich white dude' seems to have some connections, and there appears to be more to him than being talked about.
We will never know exactly what really happened or why, but I don't see him as being a 'rich white dude' negating him being a patsy at all, to further an agenda. On one level this would mean that anyone could be a potential mass shooter, including seemingly well off rich white dudes, who will kill other potential trump supporters. As far as agendas, some say it is for more control & $ (Chertoff etc..). Perhaps it is done for ritual, because 'they' can and choose too (ala S.K.Bain's book). Why did the Aztec elite do what they did at pyramids?
Nothing surprises me anymore, after going down the rabbit hole and back after wanting to know more about the world after 9/11.Heck, he could of been mind controlled and microchipped

[MacCruiskeen]

What is this bullshit?

Kansas man was in the hotel room right below the Vegas shooter during the massacre

Like many people at the concert below, the man in the hotel room directly beneath the Las Vegas shooter’s room initially thought fireworks were going off. ????

Floyd Conrade of Emporia, Kan., was in Vegas for business. He was getting ready for bed on the 31st floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino. By his account, the moments leading up to 10:08 p.m. local time didn’t particularly stand out.

But then the rapid-fire shots sounded — like a finale on the Fourth of July.

Conrade, 50, noticed some debris hit his window as it plummeted toward the ground, where 22,000 people at a country music concert came to realize they were taking fire in a crowded pen with few escape routes.

At least 59 would lose their lives; more than 500 would be injured.

Conrade moved away from the windows as the bullets rained. He went to his bedroom and always kept something between himself and the glass. He stood and he sat. He used an app on his phone to listen to law enforcement chatter, he told The Star and KWCH 12.

After the gunfire stopped, he decided to poke his head into the hallway, where he saw four or five armed officers, one of whom demanded he return to his room.

He did. He sat and waited. Given the darkness and his high vantage point, he couldn’t make out details on the ground, the few times he moved toward the window.

Most of the time he stayed away from the window.

He heard officers over the radio announce the gunman’s room number. It was one digit off from his: 31-134 and adjoining room 135. Stephen Paddock, the shooter, was in 32-134 and adjoining room 135.

That’s when he knew the gunfire he’d heard had been coming from directly above.

Conrade felt safe through it all because of the concrete between him and a mass murderer.

The explosion above that signified officers breaching Paddock’s room startled Conrade more than the gunfire did.

The gunfire was surprisingly quiet from within his room. The footsteps of investigators combing the room seemed loud. ???? Glass crunched beneath their feet. WTF ????The footfalls padded across his ceiling through the night. Conrade could tell their probe was intent, thorough.

He didn’t sleep much that night. By 1:30 a.m. things seemed to have wound down. At about 4 a.m., a SWAT team came through his room.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar ... rylink=cpy

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar ... 47656.html

The gunfire was cacophonous - approximately 160 dB, louder than a jackhammer, louder than a heavy metal concert..

[Burnt Hill]

The rooms in Vegas are really well sound proofed, for what that's worth, you are more likely to hear sound through your window than the room above...

And echolocation can be really tricky, consider an echo can cause another echo, changing angles and sound....

The chased "security" guard, was he being chased or followed?

Just catching up.

[82_28]

Yeah. You can't hear shit in a fancy new Vegas hotel room. Though I have never stayed at the Mandalay, I have stayed at Luxor numerous times (and many other Vegas hotels) but Mandalay and Luxor are very close to the airport. Planes coming and going all day and all night. You cannot hear them at all, just silence and the low hum of your AC.

[Project Willow]

A rich guy deciding to commit mass murder on the multitude? That's like half of history.

Sure, but they have pawns and servants do the dirty work.

There is always a "why" for human behavior, even with the most senseless seeming activity. We have a vacuum on that issue right now in this case. I think the push to accept a confounded ambivalence as to shooter's motives, to accept that any male is capable of such atrocity out of the blue for no apparent reason, pairs nicely with growing neoliberal assaults on perceptions of material reality.

As for choosing Paddock as a patsy, if my org has already committed half a dozen successful mass shooting ops and only tiny fringe communities are on to it, I might not care as much about setting up a perfect cover narrative. The purpose is to inflict terror, increase destabilization, and induce public compliance. An imperfect cover narrative can also be a test case, to see how far one can go before results are affected. There are the possibilities of a botched op, or players in the network set on certain targets regardless of their usefulness to the narrative. Vegas mob bosses come to mind with the latter scenario.

.............

Wombat touched on this earlier. Here is more followup on the airplane and who owns it now. This seems to really smell of spooky connections.

http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=51749

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CONTRACTOR SHARES NAME WITH COMPANY THAT BOUGHT PADDOCK’S PLANE IN 2013

October 5th, 2017
Update: Volant, LLC, Volant Associates, LLC, Volant Associates?

A reddit thread dealt with this issue and I think the consensus was that these are different companies, and the one the plane is registered to is headquartered in Kansas, and was likely set-up solely as means to register planes.

[Iamwhomiam]

82, Wisdom of the Crowd seems pre pre-cog, but creepy, nevertheless.

Karma, you're tying the defense contractor, Volant, LLC, that bought the plane in 2013 from John W. Rogers, who had owned the aircraft since buying it December 2010 from Ush, Inc., the firm Paddock who sold it to ten months earlier? A bit of a stretch, imo, though it's not to far a stretch to believing he was a gun runner-dealer/undercover spook drug smuggler.

I can only go so far with crowd sourcing. He remains a mystery to me. I should say now I believe there was only one shooter and that it most probably was Paddock. I agree completely with JR's reasoning because I've not seen anything to convince me otherwise.

That does not mean evidence wouldn't sway me to change my mind.

Too many wild scenarios do fit this mysterious rich man with scads of guns, but to know which, if any of those involving a greater conspiracy could be true is anyone's guess, I guess.

Grizzly, I second Dr. Evil's request for you to translate your links, cause I really want to visit them too, (I think.)

It's good to see you posting again, stickdog. Remember, I love you, ok? But really, with more mass murders in a year than there are days, it's time to retire this expression: "He doesn't fit the profile of a mass shooter. In fact, he breaks the mold."

There is no stereotypical mass murderer, period. Certainly, they may share traits and have other commonalities, but each is unique in motive if not in means.

The best gem of the thread comes from our toothy fish:

The Strategy of Tension covers a lot of ground around here, doesn't it? Even though any decent implementation of such a strategy might be expected to arouse exactly this sort of spasmic, violent response from an ever critically paranoid, psycho-medicated, alienated population.

Works like a charm or is that a sigil?

[Iamwhomiam]

Thank you for the info on the plane, Willow, and for providing motives which also fit nicely with the points raised by barracuda.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Just wanted to share a personal story to explain why I have a problem with the purported backstory of how Stephen Paddock was recently making his money, as he seemed to have convinced brother Eric he had. I enjoy gambling when I visit Vegas, which I try to do at least once a year. In no way would I pretend my experience is professional; I'm an amateur having fun. But like the accused shooter, my game of preference is video poker. I've learned enough about the machines in Vegas to know that if you want to make money playing video poker, you go where the machines are loosest with their payouts. Anyone who plays seriously knows the video poker machines that are the tightest, have been the tightest for years now, is on the Strip! The loosest ones are downtown: my favorites are Main Street Station, El Cortez, the D and the California. Yet the places Paddock seemed to frequent most are the places with the worst odds!

So it doesn't make sense to me that he would be earning the vast majority of his player card points at Strip casinos for the purpose of actually earning the money that afforded his lavish lifestyle. More likely, it was to create the appearance that this was where he was winning while treating family members to the expensive sushi Eric was clearly impressed with. He got plenty of perks earning those points allowing him to spend so freely. His real source of income? Certainly smells spooky.

[Rory]

He doesn't fit the profile because he wasn't supposed to be there when LEO busted the doors down. ISIS/Rita Katz called it for Gladio Contra International because they didn't get the update that the original plan had changed and Paddock was being framed in a new, on the fly narrative.

Why was he there? He seems like a logistics guy rather than a coal face operator. He helped set things up but it doesn't make sense that some flabby 60+ high roller has the physical aptitude for this kind of work.

Also, this idea that it's just a ordinary mass murder belies the context and circumstances. Astrologically significant festival? Opposite Luxor Pyramid? All the numbers in the media, hallmarks of high occult ritual?

I mentioned Michael Miering earlier in the thread. Another clean record older middle age white guy with, found sans jambes, in a hotel room looking like a bomb making factory gone wrong. Of course, the IslamoTerror bombs in Davao a few months after his accident were purely coincidental to this gents misfortune

[stickdog99]

A rich guy deciding to commit mass murder on the multitude? That's like half of history.

Name all of the other 64-year-old or older millionaires who shot and killed dozens of strangers senselessly before offing themselves.

There is no reason why one out of many would not go the mass shooter route, and use his resources and competencies to innovate and perfect the form.

There is no reason that he could not have been a patsy.

Why, why, you ask, when you know exactly that there have been so many incidents in the past. There are many possible whys and they all add up to some version of sick violent asshole with the means to do it gets into the idea - a large if minority group.

Again, name all of the other 64-year-old or older millionaires who shot and killed dozens of strangers senselessly before offing themselves.

There need be no why. But you can't come up with a credible why for staging this - I mean a motive for an actual ]roup doing it, not that Gladio has existed in other cases. Why the hell would a false-flag for political reasons set up some rich white dude? Where's the war or the martial law or the pogrom out of that?

There are dozens of motives listed among these links. If you want to sell backscatter scanners to hotels, this would be a great move for your portfolio. If you like volatility in gun stocks, you got it. If you are a private security consulting group, you just doubled your revenue stream. But why do I need to supply a motive other than "strategy of security state tension" while you can just say, "My preferred scenario is that some random guy senselessly mass murdered scores of strangers for no reason"? Who has killed more people in your conception of human history, suicidal lone nuts with no motives for their actions or organizations trying to gain money and/or power?

Notwithstanding scenarios wherein Paddock had helpers, by the way, the scenarios of a staged attack are all predicated on the existence somewhere at the back of the plot of rich guys willing to orchestrate mass murder! You just prefer usual suspects. Hello!

I prefer some evidence and a credible narrative before I pin any horrific episode so newsworthy that it fuels the availability heuristic on the government's newest corpse du jour. I have seen too many obviously innocent corpses get convicted in the court of psyops because the same people who did nothing to respond to the crimes while they were in progress served these corpses up as convenient "acted alone" scapegoats. You seemingly prefer guilty until proven innocent in these cases. I prefer the reverse.

[nashvillebrook]

Is there a sense here that a massacre where the shooter is willing to die precludes a political motivation or larger schemes involving a strategy of tension?

Because that’s not unheard of. It could be both/and rather than either/or. Yeah, there could be accomplices and profits to made, and larger political strategy...all while the actors (any of them) were willing to give their lives for a cause. I want to be careful not to ascribe intent on this guy just b/c he’s an older white dude with money. I agree that older white dudes with money often get other people to do their dirty work...but they’re also quite capable of fanatacism.

The Pulse shooter was either willing to die or completely delusional about his ability to get out alive. Kamikaze pilots, suicide bombers, and volunteers in combat...they all go in believing their cause is worth their life.

I’m keeping an open mind with regard to political strategy simply b/c the combination of guns/concert violence/hotels-Trump/MIC/organized crime all coalescing in Vegas seems too (not convenient, but) efficient.

The fact that this was concert violence is particularly nagging b/c it’s a known thing that terrorists in recent memory targeted these gatherings to increase the sense of tension.

Good discussion...glad to see RI RI’ing along.

[nashvillebrook]

Is there a sense here that a massacre where the shooter is willing to die precludes a political motivation or larger schemes involving a strategy of tension?

Because that’s not unheard of. It could be both/and rather than either/or. Yeah, there could be accomplices and profits to made, and larger political strategy...all while the actors (any of them) were willing to give their lives for a cause. I want to be careful not to ascribe intent on this guy just b/c he’s an older white dude with money. I agree that older white dudes with money often get other people to do their dirty work...but they’re also quite capable of fanatacism.

The Pulse shooter was either willing to die or completely delusional about his ability to get out alive. Kamikaze pilots, suicide bombers, and volunteers in combat...they all go in believing their cause is worth their life.

I’m keeping an open mind with regard to political strategy simply b/c the combination of guns/concert violence/hotels-Trump/MIC/organized crime all coalescing in Vegas seems too (not convenient, but) efficient.

The fact that this was concert violence is particularly nagging b/c it’s a known thing that terrorists in recent memory targeted these gatherings to increase the sense of tension.

Good discussion...glad to see RI RI’ing along.

ETA — even if the shooter acted alone, with no larger political intent, that doesn’t mean that his actions won’t be used politically to increase tension. <— might be the biggest thing bothering me about this.

[82_28]

Just wanted to share a personal story to explain why I have a problem with the purported backstory of how Stephen Paddock was recently making his money, as he seemed to have convinced brother Eric he had. I enjoy gambling when I visit Vegas, which I try to do at least once a year. In no way would I pretend my experience is professional; I'm an amateur having fun. But like the accused shooter, my game of preference is video poker. I've learned enough about the machines in Vegas to know that if you want to make money playing video poker, you go where the machines are loosest with their payouts. Anyone who plays seriously knows the video poker machines that are the tightest, have been the tightest for years now, is on the Strip! The loosest ones are downtown: my favorites are Main Street Station, El Cortez, the D and the California. Yet the places Paddock seemed to frequent most are the places with the worst odds!

So it doesn't make sense to me that he would be earning the vast majority of his player card points at Strip casinos for the purpose of actually earning the money that afforded his lavish lifestyle. More likely, it was to create the appearance that this was where he was winning while treating family members to the expensive sushi Eric was clearly impressed with. He got plenty of perks earning those points allowing him to spend so freely. His real source of income? Certainly smells spooky.

It's been said that he was playing with his wife's (who is she again, girlfriend?) players card. Which makes even less sense maybe? What is she gonna do now, go and hit them up for all the points he accrued on the machines?

[Burnt Hill]

Maybe the camera on the serving cart was to let the shooter know it was time to aim for the jet fuel tank.

"Taking out a lot of people when I go" is not an uncommon desire in disgruntled/mentally troubled men.

Have any of the guns in the hotel room been directly linked to Paddock?

[IanEye]

A rich guy deciding to commit mass murder on the multitude? That's like half of history.

Name all of the other 64-year-old or older millionaires who shot and killed dozens of strangers senselessly before offing themselves.

Nelson Rockefeller.
Paid for the bullets. Hit lots of people he didn't know personally.
Basically fucked himself to death.

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