Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:05 pm

MacCruiskeen » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:38 am wrote:
mentalgongfu2 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:32 am wrote:MacC - can you show me just one (1) picture of a muzzle flash coming from any other location during this incident?


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I thought not.


That's very clever. Here:



Fourth floor, a couple of hundred meters away from that corner suite. Allegedly this was a "strobe light" that just happened to be flashing at the very same time as the shots were being fired. (For the record: I don't know what it was.)

I also never claimed that the shooting (all of it) came from that 32nd-floor corner-suite ("Vista Suite"). The police did, and do. Everyone has a smartphone nowadays, especially in Vegas. So where are all those films & photos of the muzzle flashes?

Reminder: The Mandalay was by far the highest and most prominent building for miles around.

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Clever? Hardly.
It's as reasonable a request as yours, since you are implying lack of such images means the official story is a lie. If the shots weren't from the 32nd floor, where are all the films with clear evidence they came from somewhere else?

(Demanding photographic evidence to prove this either way is patently absurd. That is my not-so-clever point)

Also, the video you posted, in which you acknowledge you aren't sure what the light is, points out the flashes do not correspond with the sounds of gunfire. It is a stretch to believe those are muzzle flashes.

I have no firm conclusion as to what happened in Vegas that night, but it is clear many of the alternate theories and alleged evidence are ludicrous.

It is amazing that so many people will inherently distrust anything the police say yet unquestioningly accept feces flung at a wall by anonymous youtubers.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:25 pm

So that's a NO then, Thank you. It's amazing how many people will rush to believe anything the FBI tells them, even when they say multiple machine guns were fired from the 32nd floor for 10-15 minutes and there's not a single film or photo that shows any gunfire at all from that point. Mental gymnastics indeed.

(Demanding photographic evidence to prove this either way is patently absurd. That is my not-so-clever point)


You're right that it's not so clever. Anyone not twisting his brain into knots to avoid disbelieving the FBI would indeed expect to see photographic evidence of such an extremely lengthy barrage of very loud gunfire from such a very prominent position in such a very crowded tourist city between 10:00 and 10:15 on a Sunday night.

Especially considering there were well over six hundred dead and injured, so finding out where the hell that sustained machine-gun fire was coming from must have been an urgent priority for them and for many, many thousands more people.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:30 pm

Can anyone find even an audio recording of someone saying "There's the gunman! He's high up in the corner of that hotel!" or the like?

Any record of anyone pointing out any muzzle flashes from anywhere?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby barracuda » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:02 pm

MacCruiskeen » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:30 am wrote:Any record of anyone pointing out any muzzle flashes from anywhere?


I wouldn't call it definitive, but this gentleman seemed to think the shooter was located high above the crowd:

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:20 pm

MGM Insiders Sell Their Shares In Early September

As the SEC insider transaction reports below detail, from 9/5/17 to 9/12/17, approximately 6 million shares of MGM were sold by officers and/or directors of the company, totaling approximately $200 million in proceeds to sellers. Included in this group is the selling of approximately 450,000 shares by MGM CEO and Chairman James Murren (a seller of size since late July) and who appears to have sold more than 85% of all holdings. We also see that MGM Board member Grounds William Warwick sold 176 million shares of his MGM stock on 9/6/17.

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1) If MGM/Mandalay Bay were to lose law suits associated with this attack, the downside risks to MGM share price may be extensive.

2) We also know that MGM CEO James Murren was appointed to the Homeland Security National Infrastructure Advisory Council by President Obama in December 2013. This fact could make for some interesting depositions, as it relates to exactly what type of advanced security systems Mandalay Bay had in place, leading up to and on the night of 10/1/17.

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here’s more…like the recent trading pattern in OSIS, which makes “detection systems” of all kinds (similar to their subsidiary “Rapiscan”, which makes the TSA body scanners that were put in place following 9/11). Many are wondering how long it might be before we are forced to walk through similar devices, as we enter hotels/casinos.

In my original piece I only mentioned OSI Systems (OSIS) and their trading pattern around the Las Vegas attack. I’m updating this to include the chart from the same time frame and additional comments.

Below is the chart of OSIS. From the lows of 9/11/17 to after the attack, the shares of OSIS have jumped 16%. In addition (more work is being done here), call option volume also spiked higher, 2 weeks before the attack.

I have also confirmed that OSIS is working on plans to place their baggage/people detection systems in hotels/casinos around the world. Deepak Chopra is the CEO and Founder of OSIS.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:32 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-po ... 13584.html

Officer Bitsko told host Bill Whitaker that when they first arrived on the scene, conflicting reports had them believing the gunman was not acting alone.

"We're told that security is taking fire from a suspect on the 29th floor," he said. "And that we had other officers that were identifying the suspect was in a room on the 32nd floor. So we're thinking multiple shooters at this point."

Eventually, the team was able to zero in on room 159 after a hotel-security guard named Jesus Campos reported that he saw about 200 rounds fired into the hallway from behind Paddock's door.

Although Paddock had barricaded the stairwell door "with a piece of metal and some screws," responders were able to use a "pry bar" to force the door open.

Once they arrived on the 32nd floor, the makeshift SWAT team received a radio call advising them to watch out for booby traps.

"There's a room service cart with wires going on it underneath the door," Officer Newton said. "There was something black on top of the cart. So initially I'm, you know, I'm thinking, "This is a booby-trap. It's -- it's gonna explode."

"I could see the suspect's door was just riddled with bullet holes coming out," he added. "It looked like Swiss cheese."

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Contrary to reports that Paddock may have planned to escape, the first responders believe that, based on what they found in his room, the shooter did not intend to leave the Mandalay Bay hotel alive.

"From what I saw, it– I thought he was gonna– he– his plan might have been to shoot it out with us," Officer Newton said. "Because there was a rifle on a bipod near the door and just the amount of ammunition and weapons he had. He could of held us off for hours."

"But at least if he was shooting at us, he wasn't shooting at ... all the victims down there at the concert," Officer Bitsko added.


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Note: All shooting had stopped for over an hour before they breached the room.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:37 pm

One of the most centrally weird details, yes: why didn't he keep shooting? Assuming that's what he was there for. Assuming that was his goal, his final flourish. He sits in a room full of rifles and ammunition and he...

...well, what?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:38 pm

It's rare that I give CNN more credibility than the Daily Mail, but most of this description of the life of Stephen Paddock comes from his own mouth, not some anonymous whore. One would think if Paddock was in the habit of heavy drinking and whoring that this might be easily obtainable info the Cosmopolitan could have used to buttress their case against him? :shrug:

Exclusive: Vegas killer described his unusual habits in 2013 testimony

By Scott Glover and Kyung Lah, CNN

Updated 7:37 AM ET, Mon October 9, 2017

Las Vegas (CNN)He was a nocturnal creature who gambled all night and slept all day.

He took Valium at times for anxiousness, and had the doctor who prescribed it to him on retainer.

He wagered up to a million dollars a night, but wandered around glitzy Las Vegas casinos in sweatpants and flip-flops, and carried his own drink into the high rollers' area because he didn't want to tip the waitresses too much.

This was Stephen Paddock as he saw himself four years before he opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers, killing at least 58 people in the worst mass shooting in modern American history.

The details are contained in a 97-page court deposition obtained exclusively by CNN. Paddock was deposed October 29, 2013 as part of a civil lawsuit against the Cosmopolitan Hotel, where he slipped and fell on a walkway in 2011.

What otherwise would have been a mundane proceeding offers fresh details about Paddock's life and habits -- for the first time -- from the killer's own mouth. The document has been turned over to the FBI, according to sources.

Kept doctor 'on retainer'

Paddock's testimony offers little insight into what could have prompted last week's attack. He said that he had no mental health issues, no history of addiction and no criminal record.

He said he was prescribed Valium "for anxiousness" by Nevada internist Steven P. Winkler. It was unclear how often he took the drug, but he estimated that he had 10 or 15 pills remaining in a bottle of 60 that were prescribed a year and a half earlier.

Rage, aggressiveness and irritability are among the possible side effects of taking diazepam -- better known as Valium, according to a manufacturer of the drug. It is not known when Paddock last took the drug.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that Dr. Winkler prescribed him diazepam in June, based on information contained in Nevada's prescription drug monitoring database. CNN could not independently confirm that information.

Paddock was asked whether he had a good relationship with the doctor who prescribed him the pills.
"He's like on retainer, I call it, I guess," Paddock said of Winkler. "It means I pay a fee yearly ... I have good access to him."

Winkler did not respond to an email or phone call seeking comment for this story. Reporters were turned away by a security guard after seeking access to the gated community where he lives.

In the deposition, Paddock said he had a concealed weapons license in Texas, but, other than that, there was no discussion of guns.

Always on the move

Paddock described himself as something of a rolling stone who split his time among California, Nevada, Texas and Florida, traveling at one point "maybe upwards of three weeks out of a month."

His de facto home was often one of the casinos, where he stayed in rooms that were provided for free "95% of the time." Hotels often provide free rooms and amenities to big gamblers to entice them back to their casinos.

At the Cosmopolitan, he said he had opened a bottle of sake in his room, possibly on the night of the incident, but did not drink much.

A lawyer asked him to explain why he would open the beverage but not drink it.

Paddock explained that everything in his room was "comped" or free, "so, yes, I would open all sorts of things."
"And if you aren't comped at casinos, you wouldn't understand," he added.

He said he wandered about in black Nike sweat pants and had a favorite pair of size 13 black flip-flops -- the pair he was wearing on the night of his accident at the Cosmopolitan in October 2011. He was on his way to the high-limit room when he slipped on some liquid and fell. He testified that he hurt his hamstring, which he said resulted in a lingering injury. An arbitrator ultimately ruled in the Cosmopolitan's favor, according to two sources.

'I do not do sun'

Some of the testimony centered on his gambling.

He described himself as being, at one point, the "biggest video poker player in the world."

"How do I know that?" Paddock asked rhetorically. "Because I know some of the video poker players that play big. Nobody played as much and as long as I did."

At the height of his play in 2006, he testified, "I averaged 14 hours a day, 365 days a year."

"I'll gamble all night," he said. "I sleep during the day."

Asked if he ever visited the hotel pool, Paddock replied, "I do not do sun."

Paddock said he rarely drank alcohol when he gambled, because "at the stakes I play, you want to have all your wits about you, or as much wit as I have."

"Each time I push the button, it will range from $100 to $1,350," he said.

A lawyer asked how much he could end up betting on a given night.

"A million dollars," Paddock replied.

"That's a lot of money," the lawyer said.

"No, it's not," Paddock said.

The deposition also offered some clarity on basic biographical information about the enigmatic killer.

He was "raised mostly in California," attending high school in the Sun Valley section of Los Angeles and college at what would become Cal State Northridge. He worked for a time as an IRS agent, then began to invest in real estate.

Paddock did not detail the initial source of his wealth. He at times came off as arrogant and sarcastic during the deposition, the transcript suggests.

At one point he was asked whether he was sober on the night of the accident.

"I was my normal happy-go-lucky self," he said. "Perfectly sober."
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:43 pm

Check out the 6:00 mark of this interview:

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Supposedly Paddock and his girlfriend never, ever drank alcohol.

Meanwhile, in one of the only pictures we have of him, he is taking a shot. And "a Las Vegas prostitute who was hired by murderer Stephen Paddock has spoken out about their 'violent' sex sessions and how he bragged about having 'bad blood'.

The woman, who spoke anonymously, said she would spend hours drinking and gambling in Sin City with Paddock, who she described as 'paranoid' and 'obsessive'.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Grizzly » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:58 pm

^^^^

"We'll be fine..., the President did a good job."? Wtf???
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:46 pm

Wombaticus Rex » 09 Oct 2017 18:37 wrote:One of the most centrally weird details, yes: why didn't he keep shooting? Assuming that's what he was there for. Assuming that was his goal, his final flourish. He sits in a room full of rifles and ammunition and he...

...well, what?


We haven't heard an estimate time of death. And nobody reported hearing one or two shots from his room after the initial barrage of gunfire stopped.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Project Willow » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:09 pm

I wasn't going to post this, but I've changed my mind. Obviously I am not a criminologist, but in order to understand better the minds of the people who tortured me when I was kid, I've read a number of texts proposing theories on the causes of violence. These range from feminist analysis, cultural and biological anthropology texts, to those containing extensive interviews with abusers and murderers and describing the process of their psychological treatment.

Violence is a form of communication. The internal process of a violent man goes something like this, he perceives he, or "his people", have been brought down, infringed upon, his status or power challenged in a way that has "gone too far", so he asserts himself to rectify the balance, reclaim his Self and/or manhood. Even though it may appear senseless to us, violence makes sense to him, as a form of self or community defense, especially if other ways of coping and mitigating are limited or cut off, due to socialization, psychological weakness, beliefs, and other factors. It may be helpful to remember that throughout our evolutionary history, to be outcast from the community meant certain death, and that is why perceived status is directly linked to fear on a life threatening level.

Violence is a tool of control. Men use violence and threats of violence to keep their partners and families in a place of subservience. While many abusers claim they "lose control" when they assault, analysis of their acts shows they are entirely aware of what they're doing. Rates of violence among the mentally ill are no higher than those among the general populace. Mentally ill people tend towards self injury more than outward violence. People don't "snap", it is more like a gradual boil, a series of perceived injuries that build to a point where the man believes he cannot preserve his Self or status without violent redress. There is almost always a pattern of using violence as a means to an end before a major event, or a record of violent fantasy.

Given this understanding of violence, wealth is definitely a factor in profiling Paddock because with wealth comes status, power and control. Did Paddock hate the very system that he milked to make himself and his family rich? Lots of wealthy people are abusive to their wives and kids, for the same reasons I outlined above. Paddock is also a loner, while he certainly has social contacts, family and his girlfriend, he did not target these people. So whom or what does he perceive it was that brought him down? What is the source of his resentment? What is his injury? He targeted strangers. If he had a severe, psychotic break, how did he manage to conceal this break and to remain functional enough to plan out the shooting? If he were a straight up sociopath who enjoyed hurting people, there'd be some hint of past incidents. Sociopaths on that level want to savor the suffering, to make it last, to enshrine it in ritual. He doesn't fit the profile of a hitman either.

The profile is just a big void at this point. Trying to fill that void with "it's possible" makes nonsense of everything I thought I knew about violence.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Project Willow » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:11 pm

stickdog99 » 09 Oct 2017 11:46 wrote:We haven't heard an estimate time of death. And nobody reported hearing one or two shots from his room after the initial barrage of gunfire stopped.


IIRC, the video shot by the young people on the sidewalk below the hotel records two single shots after the final barrage.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:50 pm

Project Willow » 09 Oct 2017 20:11 wrote:
stickdog99 » 09 Oct 2017 11:46 wrote:We haven't heard an estimate time of death. And nobody reported hearing one or two shots from his room after the initial barrage of gunfire stopped.


IIRC, the video shot by the young people on the sidewalk below the hotel records two single shots after the final barrage.


Yes. From what I have been able to discern, those were the final two. So if the 200 shots at Jesus Campos actually happened, they happened before those last two shots. The the cops waited in relative silence for over a hour before they finally checked to see if their suspect had checked out of the room.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:05 pm

Project Willow » 09 Oct 2017 20:09 wrote:The profile is just a big void at this point. Trying to fill that void with "it's possible" makes nonsense of everything I thought I knew about violence.


Could your reasoned analysis help explain why comfortable millionaires simply do not become mass shooters for no reason?

I challenge everyone here to name a single millionaire other than Paddock who shot any number of complete strangers in a premeditated fashion and then killed himself (or herself). Can anyone here recall a single news report of this ever happening?
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