Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[Wombaticus Rex]

This is a disgrace, and one finds it impossible to accept President Trump does not know it is all a completely staged event.

Ah, it's good to laugh when we can, innit?

[JackRiddler]

P.C. Roberts jumps the fifteenth shark.

Submitted: Merchandiser and "insurgent" disinfo on spectacular cases is as powerful a block to sincere truth-seeking as official disinfo.

(This is NOT a call for providers to control "fake news," nor would I support any algorithmic attempt to do so, please note.)

[MacCruiskeen]

That post is yet another big nothing, Jack. "Sincere truth-seeking"? Please. Your contributions to this thread have been the most dispiriting things I've read here for years, and god knows that's saying something.

But I give up too. You're right: The alphabet agencies have turned over a new leaf, abandoned lying as their routine strategy and very raison d'être, stopped being defenders, enablers, and perpetrators of mass murder, and started telling the truth. It's all good news.

The War on Terror has always been a war of attrition, and so it's no surprise who wins in the end. There's only so long anyone can resist a siege, especially when faced with such sustained and heavy fire.

[Brentos]

Is this the video?

https://www.facebook.com/GioRios/videos ... 671221376/

The ed opperman video is worth a listen. I can believe that what happened or did not, at caesars and bellagio etc...could be due to the open carry survivors/swat teams/police, instead of people in on it, if shots were fired at all. At the mandalay bay and surrounding areas like tropicana, the overlapping bursts of gunfire in videos and eyewitnesses like Gio Rios, imo, point to the possibility of more than one shooter. I'm not so sure that we should rule out eyewitness testimony altogether. Rio states that he clearly heard and saw other shooters with his own eyes (including muzzle fire), including what he believes was a shady man with a suitcase. All near Mandalay, Tropicana, and NYNY/Excalibur. He just posted a video going into detail, as well as Q&A: https://www.facebook.com/GioRios
Could these shooters be open carry civilians, or over zealous cops shooting?? These shootings seemed to more brief. Gio seems pretty legit to me, despite some of his hypothesizing. The police scanners that day talk about an active shooter at NYNY/Excalibur that day

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Yes, that is the one.

[DrEvil]

And I still don't get your obsession with him being a millionaire. To be blunt: so fucking what? He was rich, good for him, but it's completely irrelevant. Rich people are people too (no, seriously), with messy human brains that can go fatally wrong in all kinds of fucked up and disturbing ways. Being a millionaire isn't some kind of guarantee that someone will never go completely ape-shit and kill a bunch of people. The only thing it guarantees is that they will have access to better hardware.

Then surely you should be able to name a single millionaire other than Paddock who ever shot any number of complete strangers in a premeditated fashion and then killed himself (or herself). So who dunnit?

Why are you so obsessed with him being a millionaire? How many people have to tell you that this is a stupid line of reasoning (appeal to improbability, to use the "official" name of the fallacy you're employing. X hasn't happened before != X can't happen) before it penetrates?

Lots of things never happened before until they did. So what?

[Freitag]

Hell must be freezing over because I agree with Jack that the guy found dead in the hotel room with all the guns was probably the perp. Because my conspiracy theory tolerance is ever increasing, I need more than run-of-the-mill theories to get my kicks. For example: Could Stephen Paddock have been the elusive East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker?

[MacCruiskeen]

[JackRiddler]

You're right: The alphabet agencies have turned over a new leaf, abandoned lying as their routine strategy and very raison d'être, stopped being defenders, enablers, and perpetrators of mass murder, and started telling the truth. It's all good news.

This is nothing I ever said and remote from anything I ever said.

The question here so far is what seems likelier as an explanation for the 58 or more real dead people in Las Vegas and various reports about the incident since then. Our disagreement need not discourage you from anything.

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As to that, generally:

The development with the security guard being shot before the concert shooting is the most interesting thing that's come up so far, other than the spooky profile of Paddock as reported from the beginning. (If that's not skepticism enough for you, sorry.)

[MacCruiskeen]

You're right: The alphabet agencies have turned over a new leaf, abandoned lying as their routine strategy and very raison d'être, stopped being defenders, enablers, and perpetrators of mass murder, and started telling the truth. It's all good news.

This is nothing I ever said and remote from anything I ever said.

It is implied by what you have said. You are saying we should swallow the assertions of notorious professional liars and killers and use them as our baseline, as an essentially reliable & trustworthy guide to the carnage in Las Vegas. You are saying we should forget their notorious murderousness and mendacity and take them at their word, this time. You are saying we should accept the FBI's account of this latest terrifying massacre as the likeliest account, in all essentials the truth. Your reasons? 1) Stephen Paddock was found dead in that hotel room, 72 minutes after the shooting stopped. 2) Stephen Paddock was, in your precise words, "a rich white asshole", and therefore, presumably, both murderous and suicidal in his very essence, (This remains to be demonstrated.)

So how does the late "rich white asshole" Stephen Paddock differ from the still-living (and very well-salaried) fish-white * assholes who are feeding this yarn to the world's media? He differs in these ways: 1) Unlike them, he does not have a record of murder and mendacity a mile long. 2) Unlike them, he does not have any criminal record at all, nor any discernible motive. 3) Unlike them, he is dead and therefore incapable of giving statements to the world's reporters stenographers.

The question here so far is what seems likelier as an explanation for the 58 or more real dead people in Las Vegas and various reports about the incident since then. Our disagreement need not discourage you from anything.

"Likelier" than what? The explanation is that someone (or someones, plural) fired those guns. But who? You say it's likelier that Paddock shot them than that he was set up by spooks. I don't know by what heuristic or stochastic method you calculate such probabilities, but I am glad for your sake that you're not a professional gambler. (I hope you will not sink so low as to whip out Occam's Razor, a rusty weapon beloved of every hack-with-Google since 9/11 and misused by all of them.)

Certainly your repeated assertion that it was "likely" Paddock who shot them does not become more convincing through mere repetition or even with added sarcasm, especially in the absence of any film- or audio-evidence of ANY gunfire from the 32nd floor, and most especially as the most outrageous alterations of the timeline "emerge". Such revisions are entirely spook-typical. Indeed, only they can get away with making them.

* They don't call them spooks for nothing. Watch FBI agent Rause, in the smart spook suit, fix his cold undead eyes upon the trembling sheriff:



I begin to understand why people think we are ruled by lizards. Certainly these bastards have forked tongues.

[Project Willow]

Why are you so obsessed with him being a millionaire? How many people have to tell you that this is a stupid line of reasoning (appeal to improbability, to use the "official" name of the fallacy you're employing. X hasn't happened before != X can't happen) before it penetrates?

Lots of things never happened before until they did. So what?

That it's not happened before is not the reason. Common among mass shooters is that they perceive that they have failed at achieving manhood as defined in this society, and they blame it on other people. I can think of at least two who targeted women because as men they felt entitled to sex, and thought they were being thwarted either by feminists or just women in general. For others, especially of the workplace going postal variety, they are unable to assert themselves to improve their social and economic standing, they feel weak as men and blame it on others.

The common denominator here is power, presumptions about power that accrues to men as part of manhood. Wealth enables men to exercise a great deal of power, it is a signifier of success, significantly reducing the pool of possible motivations based in perceptions of failed manhood common to other mass shooters.

I hope that makes sense.

[Iamwhomiam]

I agree with Jack: P.C. Roberts jumps the fifteenth shark.

I call bullshit on the trauma surgeon and believe he's a figment of the author's imagining.
“YouTube has just changed its search algorithms from Thursday night 5th October 2017, to block and censor all the most persuasive videos making claims that the Las Vegas shooting event is a hoax, designing them conspiracy theories, especially videos exposing the crisis actors involved portraying themselves as victims in hospital."
It's unbelievable a surgeon would use "designing" when he meant "deigning."

Were I to pursue to angle Paddock was a patsy, I'd wonder if he was dead before the shooting began. It seems to me he or whomever had the front door set up to blow away any who approached it, by firing a full 200 round canister remotely or automatically, with the weapon affixed to the floor. Likewise, all other shots could have been fired from other weapons affixed to furniture through the windows, also remotely. We have no video from any swat member's camera. So this premise would be to lure the patsy to the room to play his part in a sale or a sting before the grand slaughter and then shooting him to death through the mouth, before scattering a few hundred spent cartridge shells around the room. Always a big barrel of those around.

While the focus has been on Mandalay Bay, what about the building beyond it, the Delano? Might account for the lack of muzzle flash from the Mandalay Bay, if it was coming from the Delano. Perhaps only audio of automatic gunfire was broadcast through the broken windows of Mandalay Bay to divert attention away from the fully silenced automatic weapon being fired from the Delano.

It's also been claimed the police shot Campos

And stickdog, it's not that I believe the MILF is involved. It's that AJ or one of his ilk would soon enough promote this view, which, as I mentioned was sure to happen, he did. It is a shame you're poorly informed about the situation in the Philippines, though.

Lastly, I really feel sorry for the guy in the video for having had experienced such a horrible thing, but more so I feel badly for his girlfriend who had dead and wounded people fall on to of her. Gio is a chauvinistic pig-dog. I hope she survives him. (Only watched the first hour. Thanks for the link, elfis. )

[MacCruiskeen]

Willow: yes. Not to mention the plain fact that it is far less stressful -- in too many other ways to list -- to be a millionaire than it is to be, say, a suddenly-unemployed post-office wage-slave. Regardless of how intact or damaged Stephen Paddock felt his manliness to be, he had a steady girlfriend who loved him (and upon whom he reportedly "doted") and he also knew he was in no danger of ending up starving or homeless. This alone would tend to put a spring in an ageing man's step. It would certainly reduce the likelihood of him suddenly Going Postal.

There are blatantly obvious reasons, not all of them purely psychosexual, why impoverished & indebted peasant farmers in India kill themselves in despair in such appalling numbers, while their rich landlords and their Monsanto sales-reps seem mysteriously immune to such failures of individuation / such random brain-explosions (delete as inappropriate, i.e., delete both).

[MacCruiskeen]

And stickdog, it's not that I believe the MILF is involved.

"The MILF" - sic. Fnar, fnar. That's the second time you've done that now, both times quite intentionally, and it wasn't even remotely funny the first time. What a piece of work.

Gio is a chauvinistic pig-dog.

Beyond satire.

[82_28]

For the record, I posted the PC Roberts thing not to endorse but to toss into the info/disinfo stream.

[Iamwhomiam]

Thanks once again for demonstrating your brilliance, Mac.
If you think I'm going to write out Moro Islamic Liberation Front each time I mention this group of terrorists, instead of the group's acronym. Of course you take it out of its context to distort and pervert my intention in mentioning it or why it was necessary, once again.