Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:08 pm

MacCruiskeen » 10 Oct 2017 20:50 wrote:
* They don't call them spooks for nothing. Watch FBI agent Rause, in the smart spook suit, fix his cold undead eyes upon the trembling sheriff:



I begin to understand why people think we are ruled by lizards. Certainly these bastards have forked tongues.


From the very first time the sheriff addressed the press just minutes after the police broke into the hotel room:

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Yes, it is so easy to believe the FBI completely. These guys would never lie about anything. In contrast, a rich asshole like Paddock would totally turn into a suicidal mass total stranger-only shooter for no reason whatsoever. Why question such a likely story or require any evidence whatsoever to believe it completely?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:17 pm

Yes, it is so easy to believe the FBI completely. These guys would never lie about anything. In contrast, a rich asshole like Paddock would totally turn into a suicidal mass total stranger-only shooter for no reason whatsoever. Why question such a likely story or require any evidence whatsoever to believe it completely?


FFS. Everyone here can agree to question the FBI and can believe they sometimes lie, perhaps often. And clearly aspects of this story are dropping red flags all over the place.

But can you cut out the bullshit lines like someone going on a shooting rampage for "no reason whatsoever," or the insinuation that people here just "believe it completely?" That kind of hyperbole does nothing to strengthen a case for Paddock being a patsy - it just makes you sound like a true believer lining up strawmen Alex Jones-style. It's goddamn disingenuous; perhaps I'm alone, but I would be inclined to actually pay more attention to the info in your posting sprees if you didn't feel the need to drop irrelevant hyperbolic stuff like that in every 3rd post.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:20 pm

stefano » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:01 pm wrote:That story about "200 rounds through the door" is such bullshit as well, hey. What can really be left of a door after that? Perhaps enough that the cops wouldn't have to spend 60 minutes after the end of the shooting scouting for the shooter's room? Or enough that it wouldn't be quite necessary for the SWAT team to blow it down using explosives?


Door of other room? He rented adjacent rooms right?
Definitely curious about the room logistics, where the guns were, and were any of them owned by Paddock?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby minime » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:32 pm

Burnt Hill » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:20 pm wrote:
stefano » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:01 pm wrote:That story about "200 rounds through the door" is such bullshit as well, hey. What can really be left of a door after that? Perhaps enough that the cops wouldn't have to spend 60 minutes after the end of the shooting scouting for the shooter's room? Or enough that it wouldn't be quite necessary for the SWAT team to blow it down using explosives?


Door of other room? He rented adjacent rooms right?
Definitely curious about the room logistics, where the guns were, and were any of them owned by Paddock?


You might look at room plans readily available. There seems to be stairs going down (up?) across the hall between the suite entry and the adjoining room, both occupied by youknowwho, one broken window in each room.

I'm vacillating (today) between a gun deal gone bad, and a sting gone bad, and rooting for the sting angle, for reasons ironical. In any case, between the stairs and the service elevator there seems to be enough cover for just about anything.

Who knows. Maybe the 23 guns were demos. I wonder if there were 23 different models on display.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:33 pm

mentalgongfu2 » 11 Oct 2017 22:17 wrote:
Yes, it is so easy to believe the FBI completely. These guys would never lie about anything. In contrast, a rich asshole like Paddock would totally turn into a suicidal mass total stranger-only shooter for no reason whatsoever. Why question such a likely story or require any evidence whatsoever to believe it completely?


FFS. Everyone here can agree to question the FBI and can believe they sometimes lie, perhaps often. And clearly aspects of this story are dropping red flags all over the place.

But can you cut out the bullshit lines like someone going on a shooting rampage for "no reason whatsoever," or the insinuation that people here just "believe it completely?" That kind of hyperbole does nothing to strengthen a case for Paddock being a patsy - it just makes you sound like a true believer lining up strawmen Alex Jones-style. It's goddamn disingenuous; perhaps I'm alone, but I would be inclined to actually pay more attention to the info in your posting sprees if you didn't feel the need to drop irrelevant hyperbolic stuff like that in every 3rd post.


So "no reason whatsoever" is hyperbolic? No, it's exactly what the LV Sheriff just himself said today. They know of no motive whatsoever and "we may never know." I did not say that. He did. So exactly what was Paddock's non-make-believe motive?

As for "believe it completely" that was perhaps hyperbole in many cases. I should have said "believe Paddock's guilt completely." My apologies.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:40 pm

Not knowing a killer's motive and the killer not having one are two different things.

As far as Paddock being the shooter - your apology does not seem sincere, so I will refrain from accepting it. I don't "believe" his guilt, but I have no alternative people to suspect at this point. Just lots of indications the official story is bullshit. We're actually on the same side. So please don't take me calling out aspects of your posts for personal attacks or that I'm an apologist for the powers that be. It just pains me to see legitimate points tainted by illegitimate ones.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:46 pm

The Consul » 03 Oct 2017 04:54 wrote:Anagram for Stephen C Paddock
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:48 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:22 pm wrote:
minime » 11 Oct 2017 18:24 wrote:
stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:21 pm wrote:
minime » 11 Oct 2017 16:40 wrote:Anyway, I'm interested in Jesus Campos. If I were him I might have headed for the countryside while I had the chance. He's probably not going to be a hero for long. JMO.


I'd suggest a different countryside.


Campos being Spanish for countryside... maybe a Spanish countryside.

It's also a commonly-used example of a false friend, not that I'm insinuating anything by that.


My question is whether Jesus will ever be resurrected as a person of interest in this investigation. It's already been more than 3 days since anyone saw him.


Yet another reason to hate the FBI: they fucked with the Jesus.

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby minime » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:03 pm

The Big Lebowski as a sitcom... Youneverknow now that Fargo is on the small screen and the Dude is doing commercials for Lyft.

[Shakes head]

Now back to tonight's episode of Dueling Narratives. Mac, I believe you're up.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:05 pm

minime wrote:You might look at room plans readily available. There seems to be stairs going down (up?) across the hall between the suite entry and the adjoining room, both occupied by youknowwho, one broken window in each room.


Yes I have seen the room plans but I want the plans overlayed by the placement of the guns and ammo along with a timeline, if they ever decide on one.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:08 pm

mentalgongfu2 » 11 Oct 2017 22:40 wrote:Not knowing a killer's motive and the killer not having one are two different things.


https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the ... stigation/

Despite Mandalay Bay shooter Stephen Paddock’s history of high-stakes gambling, he had no known gambling debts, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Tuesday. And, contrary to published reports, Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, told investigators in Los Angeles she had no concerns about his mental health.

In an extensive interview Tuesday with the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Lombardo clarified those details and provided new information about the Oct. 1 shooting that killed 58 concertgoers and left nearly 500 injured.

The sheriff said investigators have made contact with Paddock’s entire “family tree,” including the shooter’s two ex-wives. Their conversations have shed new light on the shooter’s upbringing but have yet to answer the most daunting question: Why?

“We may never know,” Lombardo said. “All those things that you would expect to find, we have not found.”

Paddock, a video poker player, checked in to Mandalay Bay on Sept. 25 — three days earlier than initially reported.
Lombardo said Paddock spent those first three days in a separate room, and the hotel provided that room free of charge for unknown reasons. Paddock spent the remaining days in the corner suite where he staged his attack, and he paid for the suite himself.

“We’ve learned that there’s a difference of comp days versus personal pay days,” Lombardo said. “We were going off the personal pay days.”

While investigators continue to comb through Paddock’s corner suite, nothing significant was collected from the first room, the sheriff said.

Though Paddock checked in about a week before the shooting occurred, he did not remain in Las Vegas. Authorities believe he traveled to Mesquite several times in the days leading up to Oct. 1.

Throughout his time in Las Vegas, Paddock did not interact with many people, the sheriff said, dispelling rumors the shooter had met with a prostitute for at least one night.

Bellman helped with bags

On at least two occasions, a bellman helped Paddock bring bags up to his 32nd-floor suite. After poring over surveillance footage, authorities have yet to spot any red flags about Paddock’s actions leading up to Oct. 1 that may have signaled his planned ambush. Lombardo also said he was not aware of any video footage that may have shown Paddock driving into the desert near Mesquite to practice shooting his rifles, contrary to reports.

Doctors have begun Paddock’s autopsy, and as of Tuesday, an examination of his brain revealed no abnormalities, the sheriff said. He did not have any information about Paddock’s toxicology results.

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After the guard was shot, the guard radioed Mandalay Bay security, who then reported the shooting to police. The sheriff was cautious about giving an exact timeline, but he commended hotel staff for their response.

“You’re never going to get me to say that somebody dropped the ball,” the sheriff said. “I don’t believe that happened. I think everybody did a fantastic job.”

After Campos was hit, he took cover in an alcove in the hallway, warning a maintenance man to take cover. The guard stayed in hiding until police arrived on the floor in an elevator, Lombardo said.

Police who responded evacuated rooms before entering Paddock’s suite, where he had killed himself.


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As far as the LVPD knows, Paddock has zero motive for turning into the very first suicidal stranger only millionaire mass shooter in the entire history of the world. And all the demonizing reports that tried to furnish some sort of missing motive are utter bullshit.

The way I read this article is that all the shooting at Mandalay Bay took place in the room adjacent to Paddock's suite. Whoever was actually in that room shot Paddock and dropped a gun on this leg and is responsible for all other shooting, if any, that took place from that floor. The window in Paddock's room was probably knocked out long after the shooting ended, which would explain these images:

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The LV Sheriff actually comes off as a decent guy who would like to tell the truth but who doesn't want to end up like Paddock.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby minime » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:18 pm

Okay, you're out of control.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:29 pm

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the ... stigation/

On at least two occasions, a bellman helped Paddock bring bags up to his 32nd-floor suite. After poring over surveillance footage, authorities have yet to spot any red flags about Paddock’s actions leading up to Oct. 1 that may have signaled his planned ambush. Lombardo also said he was not aware of any video footage that may have shown Paddock driving into the desert near Mesquite to practice shooting his rifles, contrary to reports.

This explains what Steve Wynn leaked out before he was supposed to about "guests at his resorts would NEVER have been allowed to use the service elevator."

Wynn already knew that there was no security footage of guns getting transported to Paddock's room, so they would have to resort to the "service elevator" cover story. He just forgot that this was not yet common knowledge.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:49 pm

minime » 11 Oct 2017 23:18 wrote:Okay, you're out of control.


Damn right. Are you worried that I may kill dozens of strangers and then commit suicide? I mean, it's all so common these days, and you already have my motive all worked out.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby minime » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:53 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:49 pm wrote:
minime » 11 Oct 2017 23:18 wrote:Okay, you're out of control.


Damn right. Are you worried that I may kill dozens of strangers and then commit suicide? I mean, it's all so common these days, and you already have my motive all worked out.


Are you rich?
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