Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: eye started a joke

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:15 pm

IanEye » 20 Oct 2017 02:30 wrote:
stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:16 pm wrote:
Instead, you wish to "have some fun with" anyone with temerity to question this strange aspect of the scene?



to be clear, you are saying that you (stickdog99), wrote the text on that image?

again, for your viewing pleasure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnn-GvRPh-w

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I count at least a dozen of people in this video who could or should be helping those prone soon after the end of the video. I did not write and would not have written the text on the photo because I do not know the time or the provenance of the photo. However, the lack of people moving and/or taking over in the photo (rather than the video) gives me pause because it makes it look as if the shooting has long ended. If so, I find the extreme loneliness of those on battlefield disconcerting. How about you? What fuels your belief that anyone is still shooting at the time this still photo was taken?

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:36 pm

Postby SonicG » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:35 pm
I haven't seen any reporting of Paddock in Oz. She has sisters there and there is this:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/nati ... 49f312e319

Paddock had only been with her a few years but this connection with Hodge needs to be pushed harder. I never relaized the photo of the room service cart was in front of the adjoining room...Also look for Hodge's room number to change or for him to disappear from the news...


Unfortunately the link is behind a paywall
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby km artlu » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:38 pm

Paddock would map out his path — steering away from controlled areas — just to avoid having to talk to the air traffic controllers


Well of course. That's elementary logic because no person in the history of flight ever had a reason other than misanthropy to avoid controlled areas.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:45 pm

They were supposedly helping while BULLETS WERE STILL FLYING!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/paramedic-sear ... d=50334318

When Joe DiGaetano showed up for his 24-hour shift as a paramedic coordinator at 7 a.m. Sunday morning, he was ready for anything, but expected it to just be another Sunday.

After a typical weekend day of paperwork, answering calls, and making some deliveries, DiGaetano and his team were settling in for the night.

“Everybody winds down around 9 o’clock. We go into the room, we take our boots off,” he told ABC News in an exclusive interview. Several members of the team turned on HBO and started watching a movie.

But at 10:08 p.m., the call came in: Reports of a "mass casualty incident."

“When my phone rings, for serious calls, it rings differently,” he said.

In less than 60 seconds, he grabbed his radio off the charger and was on his way to the spot where Jason Aldean had just left the stage amid a hail of gunfire.

DiGaetano is an EMS flip coordinator and has worked with Las Vegas Fire and Rescue for 20 years. The vehicle he drives into emergencies is stocked with various medical supplies, from bandages to medications that can “bring someone back to life after they’ve died from smoke inhalation,” he said. He is accustomed to walking into tragedies. He says he switches gears in high-pressure situations.

"You find ways to take emotion out of the emergency because when you show up, they want to make sure that they called the right guy who’s going to fix this, not a guy who’s going to be sad with them and be upset with them. They don’t need that, they’re already there."

DiGaetano says by the time he arrived at 10:20 p.m., four command centers had already been set up, and he reported to the southern command post at Russell Road and Las Vegas Boulevard.

“When I arrived, the shooting had stopped. It was still I would say a scene of chaos. We didn't know at any moment, any car driving toward us was that the bad guy getting away, was that a good guy or these people shot,” he said.

Amid the chaos, DiGaetano jumped in and immediately began triaging patients who had arrived at the center. He says when he arrived they immediately started filling the ambulances with the most critically wounded.

“We have a golden hour from the moment the trauma happens, the moment the surgeon gets to do his thing. There's an hour there where you really have a good chance of keeping these people alive. After that, it really goes down by a significant amount. It's like falling off a cliff.”

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As the EMS flip coordinator, DiGaetano’s vehicle full of supplies was critical to help the dozens of people with injuries. Around 11 p.m., he was called to the eastern command center, which ran along the eastern fence line of the concert on Reno Avenue.

“We get there and that's the area where people were coming out. They were jumping over the walls from the venue into the street and into a church across the street,” he said.


At 11:00 PM, people were still jumping over walls?

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He said the four teams were each given master keys and were instructed to sweep the entire hotel.

“We went from floor to floor, room by room and literally opened every door in the Mandalay Bay to make sure that entire hotel was safe.”

“Most of the rooms didn't have anybody in it, but the rooms that did, they identified themselves prior to entering. They get in there. The citizens were very thankful that they got that room searched because everybody was obviously scared.”

He said the four teams took several hours searching every one of the rooms in the hotel, from about the 13th floor all the way up to the Foundation Room on the 62nd floor -- skipping the 32nd floor, where Stephen Paddock, the alleged shooter, had shot concertgoers from his room. According to the Mandalay Bay website, there are 3,211 guest rooms in the hotel.

After several hours of canvassing each room of the Mandalay Bay hotel, the teams had completed their assignment by about 5 a.m., Monday morning.

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She told him “she was actually going to be one of the people who had to take photographs of the people who didn't make it at the fairgrounds. That was her assignment. She wasn't looking forward to her day but like all professionals, she was ready for it,” he said. “She went to work and I went home.”
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Re: the whole world crying

Postby IanEye » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:46 pm

stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:15 pm wrote:

What fuels your belief that anyone is still shooting at the time this still photo was taken?



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Nope.

I haven't stated my belief, remember?

"for who knows how long?"

that's a quote from your post, not mine.

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:50 pm

km artlu wrote:Well of course. That's elementary logic because no person in the history of flight ever had a reason other than misanthropy to avoid controlled areas.


Sure this one instance doesn't mean much on its own, but are we starting to see a pattern of misanthropy with Paddock?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:52 pm

It appears that the one woman is still ducking.


So this actually looks like a crowd that is currently getting shot at to you? Because one woman is "ducking"? Are you kidding?


Exactly what time was the photo taken?


I don't know. But I do know that there is no sign in the photo that active shooting is still occurring.


There is also a video showing someone walking through the victims looking for signs of life.


It is a bizarre and self-contradictory video.


This is probably a dead end that feels disrespectful to the victims of this crime.


Of course, I agree 100%. Let's just shut down this whole thread in honor of the victims.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:57 pm

https://www.ems1.com/las-vegas-shooting ... seem-real/

A former Sunbury resident had just returned home to Las Vegas from a weekend away with her fiance when she received a call she was needed for a mass casualty incident.

Erin Veronick, a 2008 Shikellamy graduate and six-year emergency responder, moved to Las Vegas about four years ago and was one of the first on the scene of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

Veronick said she landed in Las Vegas at about 10 p.m. when she got the call.

“We were driving back to our apartment and saw 20 cop cars traveling the opposite way on the freeway. My email went off and I saw it was my company requesting help for a mass casualty incident,” Veronick said. “I called in and they told me to come in as soon as possible. I got to work by 10:30 p.m. and hopped on a truck with my partner. We followed a line of police cars onto the strip and were told to wait until the scene was secure. We sat in a row of about 10 ambulances at that time from four other companies.”

At least 58 people were killed and more than 500 injured when, according to police, Stephen Craig Paddock, a 64-year-old retired accountant from Mesquite, Nev., opened fire on a music festival crowd from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on Sunday night.

Veronick said she was told bombs were involved.

“We were told that people near the grounds were loading injured people in their personal vehicles and taking them to the hospital. We were told there could be multiple shooters. We were told there could be bombs placed. It was chaos,” she said. “Eventually, we got moved around to an area of patients with minor injuries. At this point, we were a block away from the grounds and people were running around everywhere asking us to take them, but we couldn’t because they weren’t injured. I had two women jump into the truck while I was backing up and we had to direct them to where the police were.”

Veronick said there were many rumors flying around and she was unsure of what was actually happening.

“At this point, there was all kinds of talk about confirmed shooters at five different hotels as well as the airport. They all turned out to be false besides Mandalay Bay. People were getting hit at the festival grounds and running down the streets for help. Those helping them were calling in and I think the mass hysteria just set it (off). No one knew where everyone was coming from. We eventually got moved near the festival grounds and crews were coming and going and they received more calls,” she said. “I didn’t transport anyone and stayed near the grounds with police and other medical staff. SWAT teams were in and out of the grounds and occasionally bringing out uninjured people who were still inside.”

It took nine to 11 minutes of gunfire for Paddock to carry out the shooting, according to authorities.

Veronick said people were helping people who were injured.

“They were sitting with people who lost loved ones and comforting them. A lot of the guys didn’t have shirts on because they had used them inside on people who were bleeding. I was seeing what we had left in one of the rigs when a few of the guys came up and asked for blankets that they took to the rest of the people waiting. They helped pass out water,” she said. “They helped cover people who didn’t make it. We moved people so we could protect their privacy and keep them out of the media’s eye. At this point, there were citizens who had been using ladders and anything they could find to move people. We spent some time walking around the area looking for anyone else who needed help, but this was hours in and most of those injured were at a hospital by now.”

Veronick said she felt overwhelmed by the amount of support from residents.

“People without shoes and shirts were asking us what they could do to help us and help others. In such an awful time, it was really amazing,” she said. “Eventually, they found the suspect and we were told he was taken down. Something like this cannot fully be prepared for, but our companies worked together as a city and as a community. I can’t thank the police department enough for keeping us safe and handling the situation.”

On Wednesday, three days after the attack, Veronick said she was feeling the aftershock.

“It honestly still doesn’t seem real. I didn’t think something like this would happen in our city. Something so senseless. But Las Vegas came together as a community to help each other,” she said.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby IanEye » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:58 pm

stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:52 pm wrote:

Let's just shut down this whole thread in honor of the victims.


Nope.


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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:01 am

http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/former- ... /619215956

As a former firefighter and an EMT in Snohomish County, Scott Pettersen thought he'd seen nearly every kind of emergency.

But Pettersen says nothing could have prepared him for the challenges he faced in a hail of gunfire in Las Vegas Sunday night. He was suddenly focused on getting his girlfriend and a family with small children away from the concert grounds to find a place where they could survive.

"We had no idea there was one shooter and he was in a 32nd story window shooting down," he said. "We all thought shooters were everywhere."

Desperate for shelter, they found a Las Vegas ambulance without a crew inside.


"I ran to this aid car, and with my background, I know they're always unlocked," he said. "So I told the family with the kids to get in the back and I shut the side door. I opened the back doors, and the second I opened them, there was already four people wounded there, waiting."

Pettersen guessed the ambulance's crew was likely working on victims in the grounds. So while bullets were still flying, he went to work on people running to the ambulance for help.

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Sensing they could be ambushed by gunfire in the ambulance, Pettersen says he tried to find keys and drive the ambulance -- loaded with patients -- to the closest hospital. When he couldn't locate the keys, he and his girlfriend ran into buildings and even tried kicking in doors, hoping to save themselves.

"We ran into this place, and we're head to toe in blood that's not ours," Pettersen said. "Finally, this elderly couple let us in, it was like their 50th reunion. They went to high school together, two couples in one room and we went in there, shut the door behind us, and we both just lost it."

Now, Pettersen hopes to hear if the people he treated are alive. He hopes someday to hear from any one of them on social media.

"The faces, I remember them," Pettersen said. "The guy who was shot in the back, I know exactly what he looks like, and I when I close my eyes that's what I think about. But I can't bring myself to look and see if they're on the (deceased) list. I just can't."
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby SonicG » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:01 am

Spook » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:36 am wrote:
Postby SonicG » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:35 pm
I haven't seen any reporting of Paddock in Oz. She has sisters there and there is this:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/nati ... 49f312e319

Paddock had only been with her a few years but this connection with Hodge needs to be pushed harder. I never relaized the photo of the room service cart was in front of the adjoining room...Also look for Hodge's room number to change or for him to disappear from the news...


Unfortunately the link is behind a paywall


See if embedding works here

Las Vegas shooting: ‘I’ve been inside Stephen Paddock’s gun room’ says Australian relative
The Australian, News Corp Australia Network
October 3, 2017 10:30pm
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AN Australian relative of Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock has described being shocked by the number of guns the shooter kept at his Nevada home.

In an interview with The Australian, the relative (who was not named) recalls Paddock showing him his “gun room”.

The relative from Brisbane is reportedly married to the sister of Paddock’s Australian partner, Marilou Danley, and had regularly visited the couple’s home in Mesquite, Nevada.

“I can’t believe it. I’ve been in the bloke’s house,” the man told The Australian through a locked screen door in Brisbane’s south.

“I’ve been in his gun room.”

“He had a room in his house at Mesquite … like you and I might have a theatre room or a hobby room or a man cave — it was a case of ‘that’s my gun room’.”

The relative said he had begun to see how guns were viewed in the US, saying, “OK, you’ve just got to keep things safe.”

The relative also rejected claims that Paddock’s guns were purchased recently, given how well-stocked the room was, and said the US now needed to finally reconsider its gun laws.

“I’m totally against weapons, but having a history of having been in the military, you can’t get that many guns together and amass that sort of ammunition without some form of planning,” he said. “It’s just a terrible tragedy.”
Paddock shared the house with Australian woman Marilou Danley, who is believed to be his girlfriend, but who was in The Philippines this week and has been cleared of involvement in the shootings.

Danley, 62, who holds an Australian passport and lived in Australia for years before moving to the US several decades ago, had reportedly told neighbours that Paddock was a professional gambler.

Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman yesterday called him a “crazed lunatic full of hate”, while US president Donald Trump said he had carried out “an act of pure evil”.
This story was originally published in The Australian and is reprinted with permission.
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Postby IanEye » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:03 am

stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:52 pm wrote:



It is a bizarre and self-contradictory video.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc0vi3uauBk
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:06 am

http://6abc.com/man-used-emt-training-t ... s/2495098/

LAS VEGAS (WPVI) -- A man used his training as an emergency medical technician to help save the lives of 10 people at the scene of the Las Vegas mass shooting.

KABC-TV reports, Matt Cuddihy captured video of concertgoers enjoying the music festival before the shooting began. In the footage, Jason Aldean is on stage. Cuddihy pans the camera to show his new friend, Katrina Hannah.

Cuddihy and Hannah, both from southern California, met on day one of the Route 91 Harvest Festival and instantly became close. Cuddihy came to Vegas with his family to enjoy the music.

In the middle of a song, the gunfire began. Cuddihy says he didn't panic at first. "It did sound like firecrackers," Cuddihy said.

Then, Aldean left the stage and the shots grew louder.

"I look around and I just see a few people drop to my right. To my left, I see more people drop over there. And then I look down and I see Katrina on the floor, and I knew this is real," Cuddihy described.

Cuddihy, who is studying to become a firefighter, has been trained as an EMT.

"The 'scared' turned off in me on the spot, and it was go-to-work time," he said.

He told everyone to get down and not to run away. "Everyone that was running was dying," he said.

Cuddihy noticed that Hannah was shot in the neck and the shoulder.

"Right away, I identify the bleed, I threw off my shirt, I apply a dressing," he recalled.

Meantime, the gunfire continued. When the shots rang out in Las Vegas, Raymond Page started filming and jumped into action. He directed people away from the gunfire and transported the wounded in his truck.

"I look over to my right and I see this guy shot to the head, gone. He's obviously deceased. So what I do is I pull him towards me, cover me, cover Katrina. Now, I have this guy, this dead guy, now on my back protecting me from incoming bullets," Cuddihy said.

Cuddihy saw so many others in need of help, he had to leave Hannah to get to them.

"Having to leave her was probably the worst thing I've ever gone through in my whole entire life," Cuddihy said.

He moved through the crowd, placing tourniquets on nine people, saving their lives.

"I army-crawled over to this guy, took off my belt and tourniqueted him real fast. And then I kept on crawling, over literally two or three dead people," he said.

Sadly, he couldn't save everyone. Three people died in his arms.

"This family that was there. It was two parents and their daughter, I suppose, who was on the floor, and she had a bullet straight to the head and half her head was missing, and they were telling me they needed help for their daughter, and it was the hardest thing to tell them that there's nothing I can do, they need to get out of there. Their daughter is dead," he said.

Later, Cuddihy was relieved when he spotted his own family. They were OK. They are also trained EMTs and were helping others as well.

As for Hannah, a Marine she'd never met before named Austin Cox carried her to safety and escorted her to Sunrise Hospital.

"I thank him for saving her life, and she probably wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him," Cuddihy said.

Inside the hospital, Hannah wrote this: "Matt save me."

Wednesday, Cuddihy was at Sunrise Hospital to show his support.

He is now rethinking his career. This festival convinced him to become an Army medic.

"I'm glad I was there. I'm sure you won't hear that from anyone. I'm glad I was there, because I know damn well that a lot of the people I treated probably would not be there if I wasn't," Cuddihy said.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 am

stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:52 pm wrote:
It appears that the one woman is still ducking.


So this actually looks like a crowd that is currently getting shot at to you? Because one woman is "ducking"? Are you kidding?


Exactly what time was the photo taken?


I don't know. But I do know that there is no sign in the photo that active shooting is still occurring.


There is also a video showing someone walking through the victims looking for signs of life.


It is a bizarre and self-contradictory video.


This is probably a dead end that feels disrespectful to the victims of this crime.


Of course, I agree 100%. Let's just shut down this whole thread in honor of the victims.


No I agree this pic was taken after the shooting had stopped.

It looks like the first pic taken at the scene, when the cameraman felt safe enough to stick his neck out.

I would imagine this is about the same time First responders were cleared to assist

I would like to see the same scene 3, 5, 10 minutes later.

I am/we are making a lot of assumptions based on a still picture.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby IanEye » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:10 am

Burnt Hill » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 am wrote:


I am/we are making a lot of assumptions based on a still picture.


Nope.

(see previous quote)

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