Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:11 pm

PufPuf93 » 22 Oct 2017 02:03 wrote:
Elvis » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:51 pm wrote:FWIW, Paddock did *apparently* have a prescription for Valium, which is typically prescribed for panic attacks. If you've ever seen someone experiencing a full-blown panic attack, it's scary, especially if you know the person well.

I must keep in mind the San Bernadino mass shooting, right after which a number of false impressions/fake facts were introduced into the news reporting by anonymous sources and police tips. When these lies (and they can't really be anything other) were proved, and removed from the evidence picture, there's nothing to suggest the Farooks would ever do such a thing. The one remaining anomaly is Farook's friend Enrique Marquez Jr., who claims the two of them planned attacks that were never carried out. Marquez just pleaded guilty earlier this year.

So, these little hints at Paddock's misanthropy, true or not, could be deliberately introduced by interested parties, to quickly close the case in the public mind.


Alternatively a benzo (valium class of drug) can allow one to be stone cold unfeeling in a stressful situation. Intravenous lorazepam is often given prior to the general anesthesia for surgery. Helps one just not give a care.

Highly addictive too but nothing to indicate that Paddock had a habit.


Have you ever taken Valium yourself? Just wondering. I have. It actually doesn't do much. Sure, it is a crappy prescription drug associated with a high percentage of adverse effect, but it's not PCP, folks. A prescription for Valium does not magically give Paddock a motive for becoming the first millionaire mass shooter of strangers in the history of the world.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:17 pm

Spook » 22 Oct 2017 08:07 wrote:And I still can’t work out what was up with the other room with the broken window? You know, the one the Aussie was allegedly staying in at the time of the shooting.....


This little factoid has never been explained. How and when did Paddock gain access to this additional adjoining room? Why did he want or need access to this additional room? What was found in this additional adjoining room? Which window was broken first? When were the two windows broken and with what? What was Paddock's motivation to break a second window? Is there any evidence that he (or someone else) shot out of both windows?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:21 pm

Iamwhomiam » 22 Oct 2017 20:59 wrote:
Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:04 am wrote:Sorry, but I don’t buy the Valium excuse for the crime. Valium is a muscle relaxant. Not really what you want to be on before going on a killing spree and switching between an arsenal of weapons.

I could understand the reasoning that one Valium could help with nerves when preparing and staying calm in the days before (if he even was responsible).

I had cause to take a couple of valiums once and was pretty groggy and slept long and well.

Definitely NOT something I would be taking before going on a rampage.

In short, I see his possible possession of Valium as more of a marker as to his current mental state, than a crutch with which to muster the courage to murder almost 60 people.


The body reacts much differently when accustomed to taking a muscle relaxant that it does after taking an initial dosage. Had you been using the drug regularly, you would not have been so whacked out & whooped.

Another thought about Paddock, if he was the sole perpetrator: Perhaps he was numb to normal human feelings and emotions and wanted desperately to "feel" something and so decided to commit the dastardly deed in a last resort to see if he could finally feel "something" by committing mass murder. When he didn't feel any differently after the deed, he committed suicide.


Damn, that's incredibly inventive, but I still think Harvey the Evil Rabbit forced Paddock to do it.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:25 pm

Once I yelled at my girlfriend with little provocation after drinking two margaritas. Have margaritas been ruled out as Paddock's motive for becoming a carefully premeditated mass shooter of strangers?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:30 pm

Over a dozen ambulances staging at the Hooters...

Mandalay Bay Las Vegas Shooting Aftermath perspective from MGM Grand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q

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Me and my buddy went to vegas for two days. This was our first day there and had been out on the strip earlier but drove to circus circus later on. We had just gotten tacos when we finally reached tropicana and las vegas blvd is when we saw everyone running and all the police. We were lucky to get to the mgm parking garage and into our room about 15 minutes later and thats when this video starts. WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.



Vegas smoking gun: Footage shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters the night of the massacre
By Shepard Ambellas - October 22, 2017
Video footage captured the night of the Oct. 1 massacre reveals the LVMPD and FBI are withholding key details about what actually transpired



LAS VEGAS (INTELLIHUB) — On the night of October 1, Youtuber Benjamin Franks and his friend had just grabbed some tacos and were heading back to their hotel room at the MGM when they noticed a separate disturbance at the corner of Las Vegas Blvd and Tropicana Ave.

Fifteen-minutes later, from the leisure of his hotel room, Franks managed to capture bombshell video footage which shows a total of 17 ambulances removing human bodies from Hooters, contradicting the official story told by Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo.

“They are just pulling so many bodies out of that Hooters,” a man’s voice can be heard saying at the 24-second mark. “I don’t know if people are dead — I don’t know if people are just injured — they just keep pullin’ them out though […] something definitely happened at Hooters though.”



“It must have happened at Hooters dude because they are all showing up there,” he said. “It looks like most of them are at Hooters.”

Hooters Casino and Hotel is located at 115 E. Tropicana Ave. which is just northeast of the venue where the Route 91 Music Festival was being hosted.

hooters vegas
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Franks’s footage is absolute proof that the Los Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and the FBI are lying to the general public and have not been forthcoming about all of the events that occurred that night.

The Youtuber wrote in his Oct. 21 post (Paragrah contains grammer issues): “Me and my buddy went to vegas for two days. This was our first day there and had been out on the strip earlier but drove to circus circus later on. We had just gotten tacos when we finally reached tropicana and las vegas blvd is when we saw everyone running and all the police. We were lucky to get to the mgm parking garage and into our room about 15 minutes later and thats when this video starts. WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.”

The following video was captured inside Hooters after the shooting and shows what appears to be human bodies covered with towels and sheets. The man filming can be heard saying that Hooters is “locked-down” and that there are “bodies just everywhere.”

In the video, it even looks as if blood can be seen on at least one. However, the status of the people is unknown.



Astonishingly, this all dovetails with an Oct. 14 Intellihub report which documents how an eyewitness named Rick explained on a podcast that one of his girlfriend’s friends (who was in his group of five that night) had witnessed a ‘solo SWAT guy’ enter the back door of Hooters, the same building that Rick said he witnessed people fleeing from!

A few moments later (after the gunfire in the venue subsided), Rick met back up with all five members of his group near a sign that they used for a landmark which was located between Hooters and Motel 6 and that’s when Rick said that he saw a “frantic stampede” of people fleeing Hooters.

“[…] there was a bunch of people trying to get the hell away from Hooters so we did too,” he explained. “So we started running again.”

Rick also pointed out that at one point one of his group members had witnessed “SWAT” guy enter Hooters through the back which he thought was suspicious. The scene was fluid and rapidly changing. Nobody could be trusted.

At one point, the group was told that a shooter had stolen a police car which elevated concern.

A posted to the “Ronson ¡n s¡n California” YouTube channel shows the moment people fled from Hooters in a panic (this is not a fantasy, it’s real folks).



The publisher explains in the video’s description box that “the place [Route 91] was like a war zone” and mentions that he went back to Hooter’s after running around for “30-minutes” from “gunmen.”

“So we ran back to hooters,” the description explains. ‘Right when we got in the lobby someone yelled run. Everybody ran, hid, barricaded, and dived over bars.’

This matches up with what Hooters Hotel and Casino blackjack dealer Schanda Bennett told NPR the day after the shooting. Bennett said she heard shots “outside” of Hooters and confirms dead bodies were, in fact, laying in front of Hooters. However, Bennett theorizes that the people dropped dead in front of Hooters after running from the venue but eyewitness accounts suggest gunfire came from within proximity of Hooters, possibly out front.

“There were people – there were bodies in the front of the casino that was just laying there.,” she said. “People that ran from the venue – they just died right there.”

The next video shows blood stains on the carpet in Hooters lobby, just outside of the elevator shaft as people panic (a lot of blood at 0:23 seconds).



“I know I’m all fun and games but this shit ain’t fuckin’ games,” the man filming explained while he briskly searched for an emergency exit to evacuate Hooters. “When you hear fuckin’ shots from a high-output riffle coming from out of nowhere in the middle of a concert and people are taking cover […]”

The man was walking through Hooters after he had left the venue where he heard gunfire and ‘saw people go down.’

Moreover, another Intellihub report which I authored Oct. 16 explains how an eyewitness named Geo Rios said that he heard shots coming from Hooters just after he and his girlfriend had jumped the north fence at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival. This confirms without a shadow of a doubt that shots were, in fact, fired at Hooters.

“We ran straight to the back of the venue and there was like a ten-foot fence,” Rios explained.

That’s when Rios and his girlfriend climbed up and over the fence using a piece of an “orange gate” as a makeshift ladder. Rios said that they couldn’t climb the fence without the makeshift ladder because the fence was covered with a “green material” that wouldn’t allow you to grab it.

‘There were two guys that were standing on the other side of the fence that were catching everybody,’ he said. “One of them caught my girlfriend.”

“Everyone who lived is a hero, from that event, and I want to make that clear. […] There was a lot of beautiful things going on. A lot of people taking care of each other,” he explained.

Once the couple was over the fence Rios said that he could hear ‘shots coming from Hooters, the MGM area’ in addition to the shots coming from Mandalay Bay. This is the very same area other eyewitnesses also heard shots being fired!

Another man was hiding under his car in the Hooters parking lot.



Wake up, people! We have been lied to. Demand answers! SHARE THIS ARTICLE EVERYWHERE!

Also, a big hat tip to the “HighImpactFlix” YouTube channel has condensed the footage in an excellent presentation of the facts.


Maybe we should tweet @LVMPD and ask for an explanation.


*This article was published at 9:49 a.m. EST.

https://www.intellihub.com/bombshell-fo ... -massacre/

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:36 pm

stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:17 pm wrote:
Spook » 22 Oct 2017 08:07 wrote:And I still can’t work out what was up with the other room with the broken window? You know, the one the Aussie was allegedly staying in at the time of the shooting.....


This little factoid has never been explained. How and when did Paddock gain access to this additional adjoining room? Why did he want or need access to this additional room? What was found in this additional adjoining room? Which window was broken first? When were the two windows broken and with what? What was Paddock's motivation to break a second window? Is there any evidence that he (or someone else) shot out of both windows?


It would be nice if you recognized my response to your question, stickdog.
It's quite frustrating to take the time to answer your questions, and pointless, in fact, if you fail to recognize your question was answered.

How and when did Paddock gain access to this additional adjoining room? Why did he want or need access to this additional room?

Your first two questions have already been answered in this thread. The adjoining room was part and parcel to the complimentary suite, to use or not to use it was Paddock's whim alone. It was not a room let out for rent.

"When were the two windows broken and with what?"
No one has reported witnessing the windows being broken. It has already been reported in this thread that Paddock brought with him a hammer and used it to break the windows.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:39 pm

stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:25 pm wrote:Once I yelled at my girlfriend with little provocation after drinking two margaritas. Have margaritas been ruled out as Paddock's motive for becoming a carefully premeditated mass shooter of strangers?


I think you'd be better off discussing this with your shrink.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby norton ash » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:42 pm

Wasting a crowd again in Margaritaville...
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:02 pm

stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:25 pm wrote:Once I yelled at my girlfriend with little provocation after drinking two margaritas. Have margaritas been ruled out as Paddock's motive for becoming a carefully premeditated mass shooter of strangers?


No, but if you had a pattern of drinking and then committing verbal abuse, we would look at alcohol as a trigger for your anger. And look at the use of any med you took to deal with your anger.
We don't have a motive and we look for patterns and speculate, it is a very human thing to do.
Defending the accused is also very human.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:11 pm

Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:36 am wrote:
stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:17 pm wrote:
Spook » 22 Oct 2017 08:07 wrote:And I still can’t work out what was up with the other room with the broken window? You know, the one the Aussie was allegedly staying in at the time of the shooting.....



Your first two questions have already been answered in this thread. The adjoining room was part and parcel to the complimentary suite, to use or not to use it was Paddock's whim alone. It was not a room let out for rent.


This has me confused. A lot about this event has me confused...
Brian Hodge, the Australian staying next door to Paddock stated in an interview,

"I'm room 32134 so I'm just so glad I didn't make it back to my room," he said.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/hardcore-las-vegas-shooter-in-room-next-door-says-australian-man-brian-hodge-20171002-gysy9v.html

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Iamwhomiam, are you suggesting this is NOT the room with the second broken window, or are you saying Brian Hodge is lying and/or confused about his room number?

Cheers
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:16 pm

stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:11 pm wrote:
PufPuf93 » 22 Oct 2017 02:03 wrote:
Elvis » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:51 pm wrote:FWIW, Paddock did *apparently* have a prescription for Valium, which is typically prescribed for panic attacks. If you've ever seen someone experiencing a full-blown panic attack, it's scary, especially if you know the person well.

I must keep in mind the San Bernadino mass shooting, right after which a number of false impressions/fake facts were introduced into the news reporting by anonymous sources and police tips. When these lies (and they can't really be anything other) were proved, and removed from the evidence picture, there's nothing to suggest the Farooks would ever do such a thing. The one remaining anomaly is Farook's friend Enrique Marquez Jr., who claims the two of them planned attacks that were never carried out. Marquez just pleaded guilty earlier this year.

So, these little hints at Paddock's misanthropy, true or not, could be deliberately introduced by interested parties, to quickly close the case in the public mind.


Alternatively a benzo (valium class of drug) can allow one to be stone cold unfeeling in a stressful situation. Intravenous lorazepam is often given prior to the general anesthesia for surgery. Helps one just not give a care.

Highly addictive too but nothing to indicate that Paddock had a habit.


Have you ever taken Valium yourself? Just wondering. I have. It actually doesn't do much. Sure, it is a crappy prescription drug associated with a high percentage of adverse effect, but it's not PCP, folks. A prescription for Valium does not magically give Paddock a motive for becoming the first millionaire mass shooter of strangers in the history of the world.


I did not and do not claim that the valium provided a motive. Because the valium was noted in Paddock's possession, I made the comment that the benzo could reduce his anxiety and provide for sleep during his dastardly actions.

Years ago, my then GP prescribed Rx for Lorazepam (Ativan) then replaced that with Clonazepam. I have been given intravenous Ativan for surgery on several occasions.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:06 pm

We don't even know the provenance of those room diagrams do we? I just searched google images and posted what I found and they didn't all match and so we don't even know if the room ID'd in the version you are posting is in fact the same numbered room as that allegedly rented by the guy who allegedly says he's glad he allegedly didn't go back to his hotel room... :partyhat :clown :tongout :eeyaa

Spook » 22 Oct 2017 23:11 wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=645814#p645814]This has me confused. A lot about this event has me confused...
Brian Hodge, the Australian staying next door to Paddock stated in an interview,

"I'm room 32134 so I'm just so glad I didn't make it back to my room," he said.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/hardcore-la ... ysy9v.html

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Iamwhomiam, are you saying this is NOT the room with the second broken window, or are you saying Brian Hodge is lying and/or confused about his room number?

Cheers


ETA: here are other variations...

Still No Answers in Las Vegas Shooting
Authorities still have no motive in the Las Vegas shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.
Annie Schorgl, Reporter
October 16, 2017
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https://www.lejournallive.com/news/2017 ... -shooting/

Meticulous planning but motive remains elusive in Las Vegas shooting
OCTOBER 4 2017
Rachel Olding, Ellen Connolly
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/meticulous- ... ytydg.html

'The room disappears': Here's what experts say Mandalay Bay will most likely do with the shooter's hotel suite
Kate Taylor
Oct. 5, 2017, 3:01 PM
Image
http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vega ... ng-2017-10

Video shows Mandalay Bay room where shooter fired at Las Vegas festival
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the ... -festival/

How the Las Vegas mass shooting investigation is unfolding
At least 59 people were killed and nearly 500 others injured after a gunman opened fire Sunday night on an outdoor country music festival on the Strip.
By LOS ANGELES TIMES STAFF
OCT. 2, 2017
Updated OCT. 10, 2017
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http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-g ... -shooting/
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:15 pm

elfismiles wrote:the guy who allegedly says he's glad he allegedly didn't go back to his hotel room... :partyhat :clown :tongout :eeyaa


And allegedly scooted right back to Australia, hmmmmmm. :wink
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Elvis » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:25 pm

stickdog99 wrote:A prescription for Valium does not magically give Paddock a motive for becoming the first millionaire mass shooter of strangers in the history of the world.


Nobody said that.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:26 pm

Hey - I'm playing ye olde JACK BLOOD "Drinking Game" in which we take a drink every time someone says "allegedly" ... on Mack and I's show the drink-word is "Police State."

So boy did I get smashed when they both were on access TV with Freeman Fly (whose drink-word was either "coincidence" or "occult"). :thumbsup

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Burnt Hill » 23 Oct 2017 00:15 wrote:
elfismiles wrote:the guy who allegedly says he's glad he allegedly didn't go back to his hotel room... :partyhat :clown :tongout :eeyaa


And allegedly scooted right back to Australia, hmmmmmm. :wink
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