Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:55 pm

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/sho ... tragedies/

The Oct. 1 shooting on MGM Resorts International property left 58 victims dead and more than 500 injured. The shooting occurred in Clark County’s jurisdiction, but the county did not have a mechanism or process in place for people to donate in the shooting’s aftermath.

Instead of donations pouring into some sort of county entity, there is currently one main GoFundMe crowdfunding campaign and two bank accounts set up by different entities to collect funds for shooting victims and their families.

“Every city in the country should establish a crisis fund that has monies in it to help offset the immediacy of a disaster, whatever kind it is,” Goodman said.

Jeff Dion, deputy executive director of the National Center for Victims of Crime, is helping Clark County to manage and distribute funds raised for shooting victims. He said he would be happy to help the city of Las Vegas become prepared for a mass casualty event.

“Very, very few communities have thought about dealing with this ahead of time,” he said.
Dion has helped to distribute funds to victims after several mass casualty events, including the Boston bombing and the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Florida.

Orlando was one of the few communities that already had a 501(c)(3) in place, called Strengthen Orlando, Inc., Dion said. Strengthen Orlando has been in place since at least 2012, according to GuideStar, an information source and directory for nonprofit organizations.

“Other communities used other existing nonprofits, but they were controversial because it (the funding) was not 100 percent for victims,” Dion said.
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Clark County is working with a group to create a nonprofit 501(c)(3) on its behalf. County spokesman Dan Kulin said Wednesday that the county does not have the statutory authority to create its own 501(c)(3).

The process to create a 501(c)(3) and a process to manage the finances for such a tragedy is “time consuming,” Dion said. It also involves setting up a board of directors, a committee to manage the distribution of funds and a mountain of paperwork to be filed and approved by the IRS.

Clark County management is currently working to get a local committee formed to manage the process of distributing funds to victims.

County spokesman Erik Pappa was not able to give any additional details Monday regarding the process that will dictate who is on that committee, nor regarding any names that have come up in relation to the committee.

Kenneth Feinberg, a victim-compensation expert, has volunteered to help draft the protocol for the local committee. He said he is currently working on that draft but that it is too soon to share details of what it entails.

He said he did not have any details about who would be on the committee, but said “you want very substantive people.”

“You want a diverse group that is prepared to make important decisions,” Feinberg said. “You want to make sure they adequately represent the community and the victims and that they want to serve the community as best they can in a pro bono capacity. You want people who can represent the various interests in the local community.”

Dion said figuring out who will be on the committee, and the process for dictating who will be on the committee is “the type of thing we’d like to see considered ahead of time.”

City of Las Vegas spokesman Jace Radke said the “crisis fund” would be a nonprofit 501(c)(3) “should the city experience an incident like this in the future.”
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:13 pm

minime » 25 Oct 2017 02:48 wrote:
stickdog99 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:13 pm wrote:
minime » 25 Oct 2017 00:55 wrote:
stickdog99 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:49 pm wrote:
My point for stickdog, one of a number, is that our fair member yhwh was not the only source of information (as stickdog claimed) true or otherwise, re: suite and adjoining rooms. Whether any of the facts presented to us are truetrue is tangential to my post. Not even interesting.


No, what interests you is infantile personal sniping. Have at it, mini-meaning.


Did you notice that the two columns containing the arrival date and the request date, and only those two columns, do not align with the others? That is to say, they are both about 4 points higher than the others. Would you consider that problematic?


Yes. But what would be the photoshop explanation for this discrepancy? I can mock something like that up by (mis)using the cell functionality of Excel. I am not sure why someone would do that on an otherwise pretty professional photoshop manipulation, but I am all ears if you think otherwise.


Their only responsibility in Photoshop would be to align the columns. If they fail their only job, it would hardly be professional.

The software is a turnkey package provided by Service Tracking Systems, Inc., an industry leader. Highly unlikely that they would make such an amateurish error in their coding. Even more unlikely that such an error would be in just the two columns...

No chance, no need that the client would have access to low-level formatting commands. Or what are they even paying for?


You do realize that these programs typically generate some sort of html table for browser display? And you do realize that different internet browsers (not to mention operating systems) do not always display these html tables in the exact same manner? Had the display discrepancy been in all the columns, it would not be recognizable as an error. My best guess is that there is a special object for date display that generates a slightly different html cell formatting than the simple text display field object and that the browser used in the photo is not the IE browser version the program was QA'ed with. But that is just my best guess.

Again, you may be onto something big here. That leaked photo could be pure disinfo. However, it did cause Sheriff Lombardo to move back Paddock's check in date from 9/28 to 9/25. So what could be the purpose of this leaked photoshopped disinfo that looks like a photo of a real computer screen other than the vertical positioning of every date field? Any ideas why someone would purposefully leak this photo with altered dates?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:23 pm

stickdog99 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:28 pm wrote:
Grizzly » 25 Oct 2017 01:26 wrote:Uh, hey guys? Could it be as simple as 'The Strategy of Tension' played out right here at home???
Nah... that's silly. :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:


Maybe. But it appears that many people feel that the suicidal mass shooting of complete strangers for no reason whatsoever actually relieves tension.


Who here said that?

Like I was just reading up thread and you spoke of those who thought the motivation was a valium induced rage? I posted about valium bu only in them marginal sense in that if someone planned to do a mass murder, agitation could get in the way and a benzo would be a tool to take the edge off. Not easy to shoot when you are shaking like a leaf compared to calm. Nothing more.

I am also open minded as far as multiple shooters, Paddock as a patsy, etc. Good stuff has been presented in this thread that the situation is not that cut and dried and what is offered in the MSM and internet medias is not consistent.

The strategy of tension and horrific events in general is perhaps not that easy to identify because there are manufactured events, assisted events, and events that happen that fit the strategy and are picked up immediately by propagandists and media. Then we see libertarian anti-government types sharing the interpretations of fascist authoritarians.

I am much more open minded than you think. I actually believe that on 9-11 buildings were demolished and something other than an airliner hit the Pentagon. It is curious that the flight numbers were numbers of common occult significance.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:55 pm

This guy apparently just turned up murdered.
http://www.nnettle.com/features/1200-hotel-worker-vanishes-after-saying-stephen-paddock-didn-t-have-many-bags-

A valet worker from the Mandalay Bay hotel, who parked the suspected Las Vegas shooting gunman's car, has mysteriously vanished after giving an interview saying Stephen Paddock was a "normal guy" who "didn't have many bags".

Read more at: http://www.nnettle.com/features/1200-ho ... -many-bags


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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby minime » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:57 am

stickdog99 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:13 pm wrote:
You do realize that these programs typically generate some sort of html table for browser display? And you do realize that different internet browsers (not to mention operating systems) do not always display these html tables in the exact same manner? Had the display discrepancy been in all the columns, it would not be recognizable as an error. My best guess is that there is a special object for date display that generates a slightly different html cell formatting than the simple text display field object and that the browser used in the photo is not the IE browser version the program was QA'ed with. But that is just my best guess.

Again, you may be onto something big here. That leaked photo could be pure disinfo. However, it did cause Sheriff Lombardo to move back Paddock's check in date from 9/28 to 9/25. So what could be the purpose of this leaked photoshopped disinfo that looks like a photo of a real computer screen other than the vertical positioning of every date field? Any ideas why someone would purposefully leak this photo with altered dates?


Dunno. Can't say. If only I had a narrative to tell me what the truth is. Just kidding?

And you're probably right: A 2-pixel vertical alignment adjustment. The simplest explanation is sometimes the right one.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:09 am

PufPuf93 » 25 Oct 2017 03:23 wrote:
stickdog99 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:28 pm wrote:
Grizzly » 25 Oct 2017 01:26 wrote:Uh, hey guys? Could it be as simple as 'The Strategy of Tension' played out right here at home???
Nah... that's silly. :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:


Maybe. But it appears that many people feel that the suicidal mass shooting of complete strangers for no reason whatsoever actually relieves tension.


Who here said that?

Like I was just reading up thread and you spoke of those who thought the motivation was a valium induced rage? I posted about valium bu only in them marginal sense in that if someone planned to do a mass murder, agitation could get in the way and a benzo would be a tool to take the edge off. Not easy to shoot when you are shaking like a leaf compared to calm. Nothing more.

I am also open minded as far as multiple shooters, Paddock as a patsy, etc. Good stuff has been presented in this thread that the situation is not that cut and dried and what is offered in the MSM and internet medias is not consistent.

The strategy of tension and horrific events in general is perhaps not that easy to identify because there are manufactured events, assisted events, and events that happen that fit the strategy and are picked up immediately by propagandists and media. Then we see libertarian anti-government types sharing the interpretations of fascist authoritarians.

I am much more open minded than you think. I actually believe that on 9-11 buildings were demolished and something other than an airliner hit the Pentagon. It is curious that the flight numbers were numbers of common occult significance.


I can see you are open minded, and I appreciate all your posts! I actually appreciate everyone's posts except the ones that are purely adversarial niggles. I don't know what happened in Vegas. I am just very skeptical of the official story. I have not seen any convincing evidence that leads me to conclude that this mass shooting was solely Paddock's doing or even Paddock's doing at all.

So I am just assuming he is innocent until proven guilty. But, as I have said, there is of course a first time for every unique event in world history. In my posts here, I am basically playing Paddock's advocate. If Paddock actually shot 500 random strangers on a whim (which I fully admit is possible), then I am truly playing the devil''s advocate.

Show me some camera footage of Paddock bringing those guns trough the hotel lobby and some footage of him breaking and/or shooting through his hotel room window, and I will change my tune and join the rest of you in inventing potential motives for his uncanny actions.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:32 am

Spook » 25 Oct 2017 03:55 wrote:This guy apparently just turned up murdered.
http://www.nnettle.com/features/1200-hotel-worker-vanishes-after-saying-stephen-paddock-didn-t-have-many-bags-

A valet worker from the Mandalay Bay hotel, who parked the suspected Las Vegas shooting gunman's car, has mysteriously vanished after giving an interview saying Stephen Paddock was a "normal guy" who "didn't have many bags".

Read more at: http://www.nnettle.com/features/1200-ho ... -many-bags


http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=159902
Missing Las Vegas Shooting Witness Shot Dead


After checking, the last two links appear to be 100% clickbait disinfo. That still doesn't explain why KITV-4 removed the innocuous story in which Chad claimed that Paddock was just a regular guy without many bags.

Here it is on web archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20171003084 ... ooters-car

Now it is back on KITV's website:

http://www.kitv.com/story/36505487/hawa ... ooters-car

I can tell you for a fact that this story was deleted when I first checked on it a couple of weeks ago. Hmmm, was this all just a stupid, meaningless no-honey honeypot?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:42 am

Here is yet another web archive capture of the Chad story, this one with some video that is missing from the initial story that went missing and the live KITV webpage version of the story that can be found today:

https://web.archive.org/web/20171003114 ... ooters-car

Can anyone get the video at the top of the page to play?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stefano » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:20 am

Grizzly » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:26 pm wrote:Uh, hey guys? Could it be as simple as 'The Strategy of Tension' played out right here at home???
Nah... that's silly. :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

That's hand-waving, though, it's no more an explanation than "Paddock looks like a dude who had issues."

The original strategy of tension was an actual strategy insofar it had a goal: to alienate Europeans from Communist parties and the Eastern bloc, and to make sure their governments remained friendly to NATO and Wall Street capital. So all the terror attacks were immediately blamed on specific groups: Communist terrorists. The attacks fed into a wider political strategy with a definite goal, measurable by certain metrics (which parties got control of government).

Now, I believe a strategy of tension is at play in the US, to scapegoat Muslims for terror attacks in order to create support for international interventions, and to provide a domestic 'other' to divert white Americans' attention from their economic problems. False flags have been used in the past, as a read over this board will attest; some other attacks look like entrapment gone too far, i.e. I think the Feds wanted to entrap the perpetrators at some point before people died but then failed (I think that's what happened in Boston). So if the designated shooter was a Muslim I would have had structural reasons to be more inclined to see agency involvement.

But how does Paddock serve this strategy? Except in the very vague sense of making Americans nervous about mass shootings - something that happens two to three times a week over there. If the shooting had been in service of such a strategy then surely it would be more scary to play up any other shootings that people here seem to suspect, rather than hide them? Gunmen shoot people down in Las Vegas and make a clean getaway, that's pretty tense. And to attribute a political motivation to Paddock, as Alex Jones is so desperate to do with his claims that there was 'Antifa' material in the hotel room? If that had happened, if they'd come up with some note or whatever, I'd also be more inclined to suspect a major covert operation.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:38 am

stefano » 25 Oct 2017 08:20 wrote:
Grizzly » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:26 pm wrote:Uh, hey guys? Could it be as simple as 'The Strategy of Tension' played out right here at home???
Nah... that's silly. :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

That's hand-waving, though, it's no more an explanation than "Paddock looks like a dude who had issues."

The original strategy of tension was an actual strategy insofar it had a goal: to alienate Europeans from Communist parties and the Eastern bloc, and to make sure their governments remained friendly to NATO and Wall Street capital. So all the terror attacks were immediately blamed on specific groups: Communist terrorists. The attacks fed into a wider political strategy with a definite goal, measurable by certain metrics (which parties got control of government).

Now, I believe a strategy of tension is at play in the US, to scapegoat Muslims for terror attacks in order to create support for international interventions, and to provide a domestic 'other' to divert white Americans' attention from their economic problems. False flags have been used in the past, as a read over this board will attest; some other attacks look like entrapment gone too far, i.e. I think the Feds wanted to entrap the perpetrators at some point before people died but then failed (I think that's what happened in Boston). So if the designated shooter was a Muslim I would have had structural reasons to be more inclined to see agency involvement.

But how does Paddock serve this strategy? Except in the very vague sense of making Americans nervous about mass shootings - something that happens two to three times a week over there. If the shooting had been in service of such a strategy then surely it would be more scary to play up any other shootings that people here seem to suspect, rather than hide them? Gunmen shoot people down in Las Vegas and make a clean getaway, that's pretty tense. And to attribute a political motivation to Paddock, as Alex Jones is so desperate to do with his claims that there was 'Antifa' material in the hotel room? If that had happened, if they'd come up with some note or whatever, I'd also be more inclined to suspect a major covert operation.


How could getting all of us to blindly accept the suddenly "new normal" that any random person can and will attempt to murder hundreds of complete strangers for no discernible reason possibly benefit those who want to restrict personal freedom in the name of security?

It's simply unfathomable how neocons/libs could possibly benefit from a pure "Strategy of Tension". I mean, it's not as if any neocons/libs have ever described any such strategy as a desirable end in itself.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stefano » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:14 am

stickdog99 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:38 am wrote:How could getting all of us to blindly accept the suddenly "new normal" that any random person can and will attempt to murder hundreds of complete strangers for no discernible reason possibly benefit those who want to restrict personal freedom in the name of security?

It's simply unfathomable how neocons/libs could possibly benefit from a pure "Strategy of Tension". I mean, it's not as if any neocons/libs have ever described any such strategy as a desirable end in itself.

Yeah, good point.

Although some people do want to murder hundreds of strangers. Not 'any random' person, not a lot of us, but enough that, on a planet of 8 billion-plus of us where we all get the news from all over, it's something you're going to tend to hear about. And it will tend to happen more in a country where massive corruption of the legislative authority has made it possible, and in fact easy, to buy multiple machines specifically designed to kill large numbers of people in a short space of time.

It didn't "suddenly" become the new normal - as I noted weeks ago in this thread, amok is an old phenomenon. In 1583 the Holy Roman Imperial authorities burned a man in Beselick for killing 41 people, mostly elderly ones, in a night-time rampage, that's pretty mad. The Bath School massacre has come up here, how mad is that? I know you think Paddock's supposed wealth means that he can't have been one of those, but I don't believe it does (and a lot of 'his' wealth may very well have ultimately belonged to gangsters).

In some cases you can discern the reason, in others you can't. I thought of another one that reminds me of this one: George Sodini. We know Sodini's reasons, such as they are, because he recorded them, but if he hadn't, would you be as suspicious as you are of this one? It's true that he killed far fewer people, but he was a lot closer to them. I think the next high score is also going to be long bursts fired from far away.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:20 pm

Thanks Spook for the info on the windows. If the windows could be removed more covertly, I'm sure someone as meticulous as Paddock allegedly was, and who frequented Mandalay, would of noticed that in planning the attack. If so, why didnt he choose that. Yet, shooting out the windows may have been appealing as well, since if he was the shooter, he risked taking some pot shots (what people thought were fireworks?) at the crowd first (to find range?). The wife in the loomer interview says she saw someone drop in the crowd, when the first pops happened.

It also looks like the original Chad story of not seeing crazy bags is legit, but not him vanishing.

With Hodge, as I mentioned, the TV interview he gave, which must of least been the day after, he apparently still believed he was staying in room 32-134, after repeatedly being denied access to that floor. Someone should ask him what room he really was in, to determine if he got the room # wrong or not. If he really was in room 32-134 thats a huge hole in the official narrative.

re: strategy of tension. Its also possible that this was meant to have been blamed on 'ISIS', but something went wrong. I dont believe this, since there is no evidence. Just that a concert in London was also attacked not long ago and blamed on 'ISIS', probably just pure coincidence. Saying that, there are many other high profile shootings in the past, that have raised questions as to whether there was more going on than the lone nut, that are not blamed on ISIS. There is still nothing though to rule out Paddock as a possible shooter.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:14 pm

It only took them three-and-a-half weeks to notice this:

Las Vegas shooter's laptop missing its hard drive
By JACK DATE MIKE LEVINE PIERRE THOMAS
Oct 25, 2017, 12:15 PM ET

A laptop computer recovered from the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned. ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shoo ... d=50709285


"depriving" :ohno:

Maybe they'll find it in his house? Ah no, that's right, Stephen Paddock's house got mysteriously burgled a fortnight ago.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:21 pm

MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:14 pm wrote::ohno:

Las Vegas shooter's laptop missing its hard drive
By JACK DATE MIKE LEVINE PIERRE THOMAS
Oct 25, 2017, 12:15 PM ET

A laptop computer recovered from the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned. ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shoo ... d=50709285


"depriving"


Weird. From the above article.... talk about normalization...

In 2007, Virginia Tech shooter Cho Seung Hui removed the hard drive of his computer and disposed of his cell phone shortly before the massacre. Authorities even searched a pond for the missing digital media, but the devices were never recovered.

The 2008 Northern Illinois shooter, Steven Kazmierczak, removed the SIM card from his phone and the hard drive from his laptop, and neither was recovered.

In 2012, Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza had removed the hard drive from his computer and smashed it with a hammer or screwdriver.


Maybe there is a good reason for someone planning a suicide mission to do this?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:41 pm

Brentos » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:21 pm wrote: ...

Maybe there is a good reason for someone planning a suicide mission to do this?


Maybe there is also a good reason for someone simulating a suicide mission to do this. For example, to remove any evidence that might have served to exonerate that Designated Culprit or indeed to implicate the sainted FBI-CIA who tell us he dunnit.

Talking of conveniently-deceased alleged Lone Gunmen: Maybe we will at last find out on Thursday how Lee Harvey Oswald managed to remove his own tax returns from public scrutiny for 19,696 days following his sudden violent death. But I suspect that those documents too wil be found to have gone the way of Stephen Paddock's hard drive.
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