Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[Grizzly]

During the Benghazi hearings they were speaking with Hillary about WHY the attacks took place. That was her response.

"What difference, at this point, does it make"? - Hillary Clinton

Here's the full interchange, for some context:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4329984/ ... zi-hearing

"Okay, if it "doesn't matter", release any and all information including surveillance footage surrounding the event so that investigative journalists, victims, and all parties interested in the case may examine it for themselves".

"The only difference which makes no difference is no difference. And this difference really depends on what they are hiding, which is surely more than nothing".

[seemslikeadream]

Couple who survived Vegas shooting perish in car crash

A couple who survived the massacre at the Las Vegas music festival were killed in a fiery traffic accident two weeks later, according to a report.

Dennis and Lorraine Carver of California died when their vehicle smashed into a metal gate outside their community in Riverside County and burst into flames Oct. 16, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported.


http://nypost.com/2017/10/30/couple-who ... car-crash/

[0_0]

Doctors prepare for a deep dive into Vegas shooter's brain as detectives struggle find his motive after autopsy found no abnormalities

Scientists are preparing to do a microscopic study of the Las Vegas gunman's brain, but whatever they find, if anything, likely won't be what led him to kill 58 people in the worst mass shooting in modern US history, experts said.

Stephen Paddock's brain is being sent to Stanford University for a months-long examination after a visual inspection during an autopsy found no abnormalities, Las Vegas authorities said.

Doctors will perform multiple forensic analyses, including an exam of the 64-year-old's brain tissue to find any possible neurological problems.

The brain will arrive in California soon, and Stanford has been instructed to spare no expense for the work, The New York Times reported.

It will be further dissected to determine if Paddock suffered from health problems such as strokes, blood vessel diseases, tumors, some types of epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, degenerative disorders, physical trauma and infections.

Dr Hannes Vogel, Stanford University Medical Center's director of neuropathology, would not discuss the procedure with The Associated Press and referred questions to officials in Clark County, where Las Vegas is located.

They also refused to provide details.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... brain.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/us/l ... .html?_r=0

[stickdog99]

As noted before, supposedly on that paper were calculations made with pencil about the best angles to shoot people from the room's windows.

Thanks 0_0. Don’t know how I missed that (very disturbing) report.

Because this "explanation" of the note was proffered as pure speculation by a member of LVPD's esteemed K-9 division and never again mentioned by anyone else?

[Burnt Hill]

Because this "explanation" of the note was proffered as pure speculation by a member of LVPD's esteemed K-9 division and never again mentioned by anyone else?

Well you may not accept it but it hasn't been mentioned because there was a "satisfactory" explanation that was not pure speculation -

Officer David Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department's K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter's nightstand once officers breached the room. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd below with high-powered semi-automatic rifles outfitted to increase their rate of fire.

"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-note-hotel-room-details-of-bullet-trajectory/

Is there a reasonable counter to Newton's statement?

[Harvey]

Has there been any official time of death for Paddock?

[stickdog99]

Because this "explanation" of the note was proffered as pure speculation by a member of LVPD's esteemed K-9 division and never again mentioned by anyone else?

Well you may not accept it but it hasn't been mentioned because there was a "satisfactory" explanation that was not pure speculation -

Officer David Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department's K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter's nightstand once officers breached the room. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd below with high-powered semi-automatic rifles outfitted to increase their rate of fire.

"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-note-hotel-room-details-of-bullet-trajectory/

Is there a reasonable counter to Newton's statement?

Counter? Yeah, the counter is that how the hell did he figure all of this out for certain on his little lonesome simply by glancing at these supposed numerical scribbles? When did he do this? Why have neither the FBI nor the LVPD ever released any official sanction of Newton's note "analysis"?

[8bitagent]

It's now been a month since the horrifying Las Vegas shooting, and I'll reiterate what I said a month ago: It's sickening that people on the right and left are trying to bite size contextualize an assumption toward motives for political gains. When it was revealed that the shooter was an older white male, the right wingers seemed almost disappointed the mass murderer Paddock had no affiliation with "BLM", "ANTIFA", "ISIS", sjws or anything their feeble little brains could point toward..EQUALLY, many on the "Left" on social media couldnt handle nor digest the fact the mass shooter was a middle aged gun nut yet in no way tied to the right wing or some alt right/tea party sentiment. As I mused a month ago, maybe the retired gambling addict simply had it on his bucket list to be the most prolific infamous mass murderer? Of course that doesnt preclude being some manchurian candidate...but...

IF anyone has been paying attention to mass killings in the last four or five decades, the bulk of them are just guys who are looney tunes with no political views. When that sick sack of crap blew the brains out of Giffords and she still miraculously lived, or that sick fuck murdered all those people at VT, or the Batman premiere, or the Newton school....most of our collective reaction wasnt "WHAT POLITICAL VIEW DID HE HAVE?" Most of these events of American mass killing horror arent part of a typical left vs right positioning, other than it being an argument of gun rights and crazy dudes

[SonicG]

Because this "explanation" of the note was proffered as pure speculation by a member of LVPD's esteemed K-9 division and never again mentioned by anyone else?

Well you may not accept it but it hasn't been mentioned because there was a "satisfactory" explanation that was not pure speculation -

Officer David Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department's K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter's nightstand once officers breached the room. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd below with high-powered semi-automatic rifles outfitted to increase their rate of fire.

"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-note-hotel-room-details-of-bullet-trajectory/

Is there a reasonable counter to Newton's statement?

Counter? Yeah, the counter is that how the hell did he figure all of this out for certain on his little lonesome simply by glancing at these supposed numerical scribbles? When did he do this? Why have neither the FBI nor the LVPD ever released any official sanction of Newton's note "analysis"?

I don't have time to look for it now, but I swear there was an initial statement saying it was "some kind of code..."

[0_0]

A Metropolitan Police Department officer accidentally discharged his weapon inside the Mandalay Bay gunman’s suite the night of the Oct. 1 mass shooting, the Clark County sheriff confirmed Monday. The police firearm went off inside the suite sometime after officers made entry, the sheriff said. But the round or rounds were not fired in the same room where gunman Stephen Paddock was found dead with what has been described as a self-inflicted gunshot wound. “It happened and we’re investigating it, just like we do with any officer-involved use of force,” Sheriff Joe Lombardo told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “Nobody was struck.”

It’s unclear what caused the officer in question, who has not been named, to discharge his weapon.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/sho ... bay-suite/

[mentalgongfu2]

Because this "explanation" of the note was proffered as pure speculation by a member of LVPD's esteemed K-9 division and never again mentioned by anyone else?

Well you may not accept it but it hasn't been mentioned because there was a "satisfactory" explanation that was not pure speculation -

Officer David Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department's K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter's nightstand once officers breached the room. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd below with high-powered semi-automatic rifles outfitted to increase their rate of fire.

"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-note-hotel-room-details-of-bullet-trajectory/

Is there a reasonable counter to Newton's statement?

Counter? Yeah, the counter is that how the hell did he figure all of this out for certain on his little lonesome simply by glancing at these supposed numerical scribbles? When did he do this? Why have neither the FBI nor the LVPD ever released any official sanction of Newton's note "analysis"?

So, the counter consists of several questions for which there may be clear and reasonable answers - such as, just speculating -- he figured this out "all on his little lonesome" when he "glanced" at the note because he asked what it could mean and deduced one number was an elevation and another was distance, and they lined up with actual known data of height and distance. He is a trained officer with investigation experience and perhaps has some experience with firearms as well as mandatory training on terror attacks and active shooter scenarios. When did he do this? After he saw the note, before it was announced publicly. In the course of the investigation. Why hasn't it been officially sanctioned? Because the LVPD and FBI don't go around officially sanctioning bits of data just to please internet sleuths, and the fact it was stated publicly and not later denied already amounts to a kind of sanction, and also because LVPD and FBI are no longer discussing details of the case publicly at all.

All this to say - the only counter available is simply that you don't believe it. There are no actual data points to support an alternative explanation.

Why even accept the claim such a note exists, if one believes everything being reported about the massacre is untrue?

[Project Willow]

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/sho ... Bay-suite/

Officer accidentally fired weapon in Las Vegas gunman’s Mandalay Bay suite

By Rachel Crosby Las Vegas Review-Journal
October 30, 2017 - 6:51 pm

A Metropolitan Police Department officer accidentally discharged his weapon inside the Mandalay Bay gunman’s suite the night of the Oct. 1 mass shooting, the Clark County sheriff confirmed Monday.

The police firearm went off inside the suite sometime after officers made entry, the sheriff said. But the round or rounds were not fired in the same room where gunman Stephen Paddock was found dead with what has been described as a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

“It happened and we’re investigating it, just like we do with any officer-involved use of force,” Sheriff Joe Lombardo told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “Nobody was struck.”

It’s unclear what caused the officer in question, who has not been named, to discharge his weapon.

The sheriff also confirmed Monday that the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, where the gunman’s corner suite was located, did not have security cameras facing the gunman’s room or the stairwell door that Paddock had apparently sealed sometime before the mass shooting. The only cameras on the floor faced the elevators.

FBI Las Vegas spokeswoman Sandra Breault has repeatedly declined to speak about the investigation.

Fifty-eight people were killed and more than 500 were injured during the mass shooting, which began shortly after 10 p.m. on the last night of the Route 91 Harvest festival.

Lombardo previously said a group of officers breached the gunman’s hotel suite at 11:20 p.m., about an hour after the gunman stopped firing his weapons for unknown reasons.

The gunman’s motive remains a mystery, and nearly a month after the shooting, several more straightforward questions about the shooting have not been addressed or answered.

As of Monday, the Clark County coroner’s office had not released the gunman’s official cause or manner of death.

[Gnomad]

he only thing so far that to me seems awfully suspicious is the business of the missing hard drive.

That is odd, except, as was pointed out earlier, above, a computer can run off an operating system (Linux) on a thumb drive. If that was the case, then the question remains, where is the thumb drive? Being much smaller, it's easier to dispose and harder to find.

Especially if you have the OS on a MicroSD card. They are tiny, you could drop one down an air conduit or such, or flush from a toilet.

It is 11mm x 15 mm and 1mm thick.

By the way, sending his brain to be deeply studied by experts sounds rather creepy. And what in his brain would explain?

[Spook]

he only thing so far that to me seems awfully suspicious is the business of the missing hard drive.

That is odd, except, as was pointed out earlier, above, a computer can run off an operating system (Linux) on a thumb drive. If that was the case, then the question remains, where is the thumb drive? Being much smaller, it's easier to dispose and harder to find.

Especially if you have the OS on a MicroSD card. They are tiny, you could drop one down an air conduit or such, or flush from a toilet.

It is 11mm x 15 mm and 1mm thick.

By the way, sending his brain to be deeply studied by experts sounds rather creepy. And what in his brain would explain?

You are assuming the hard drive is actually missing.
The hard drive may contain an explanation of why/if Paddock did this act.

[Gnomad]

Sure, yes.