Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:36 am

Well, at least the Sheriff's handlers agree with me that Paddock's complete lack of motive is problematic.

Sheriff Lombardo Emerges to Throw Some Shade on Paddock and His Girlfriend

The man who shot hundreds and killed 58 at the Route 91 Harvest music festival a month ago was a narcissist who may have seen his image as a high-rolling gambler declining, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said as the investigation into the Oct. 1 shooting rampage entered its second month.

He was going through some bouts of depression. But he was status-driven,” Lombardo said in a wide-ranging interview with 8 News Now in Las Vegas that offered the first hints of what might have driven 64-year-old Stephen Paddock to open fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel.

Paddock had been losing money for two years, Lombardo said, and had been showing signs of depression.

Since September 2015, he's lost a significant amount of wealth, and I think that might have been a determining factor on what he was determined to do,” Lombardo said in his Wednesday night interview.

“This individual was status-driven based on how he liked to be recognized in the casino environment and how he liked to be recognized by his friends and family. So obviously that was starting to decline in the short period of time and that may have had a determining effect on why decided to do what he did," the sheriff said.

“He was going in the wrong direction.”



OK, so how was he losing money? Was he on a gambling losing streak finally after years of getting rewarded as a comped high roller by casinos for fleecing them for millions? How much did he have before he started losing money? How much money had he lost and how was he losing this money?


In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win. Until he didn't.

Lombardo said investigators still don’t understand precisely what set Paddock off a little more than a year ago when he began stockpiling weapons and scouting locations around the country. Paddock fatally shot himself at the end of his 10-minute-long attack, and the hard drives that had been removed from the computers found in his room have not been found, the sheriff said.



So what did he do with the hard drives? And why did he have computers in his room with no hard drives in them? Were these computers operable in some way? Were any bootable flash drives found? If not, why would Paddock have multiple inoperable computers in his hotel room?


Lombardo used the interview to try and set straight the initially confusing timelines offered by authorities in the days after the shooting.

The chief questions have centered around the fact that Paddock was able to fire at the crowd opposite the hotel for a full 10 minutes, though a hotel security guard had been shot before the main shooting rampage began, and had reported it.

What happened was this, the sheriff said: The security guard, Jesus Campos, had been alerted that a room on the 32nd floor had a door that had been held open for a long period of time. He found that the door to that floor from the stairwell had been barricaded, and he radioed in to report that at 9:59 p.m.

Campos, Lombardo said, then took the stairs to the 33rd floor, exited, walked to the elevators and took one back down to the 32nd floor. He was shot in the leg as he walked outside Paddock’s door.

So subsequently you have a couple minutes of him going up, going down the elevators and back down the hallway and then he encounters the suspect,” Lombardo said. “He receives a wound, he attempts to go through his radio and then he also confirms his communication with dispatch via cellphone.”



OK, wait. We just heard that Campos radio in that shots were fired.



Does this sound like a guy who had heard drilling, found hotel floor that had been barricaded from the stairwell, had radioed in to report this 6 minutes earlier at 9:59 p.m, had then took the stairs to the 33rd floor, exited, walked to the elevators and took one back down to the 32nd floor and who had just been was shot in the leg as he walked outside Paddock’s door?


All of the timelines have shown that Paddock opened fire on the crowd at 10:05 p.m. What time did Campos report that he had been shot? Police have never said, and Lombardo didn’t elaborate on that in the televised interview.

"We didn’t know shots were fired until 10:05 pm — 10:04:55 or something like that,” Lombardo said. “That’s when we actually determined — through calls for service, computer-aided dispatch, body-worn cameras, other people’s observations through videos in Uber, taxis things like that — we feel pretty comfortable in that the large amounts of firing by the suspect occurred at 10:05 p.m.”

Two Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department officers already were at the Mandalay Bay on another call and began working their way up the stairs as the shooting began. They, too, came across the barricaded stairwell door.

So that was right around 10 minutes they were able to do that. So that’s pretty amazing in public safety time you call dispatch, you get a revise, you formulate a plan, you ascend the stairwell, you have no idea what floor it is, you’re receiving information from disparate directions, and then you encounter this blocked doorway — and that was right around 10 minutes,” Lombardo said.

“And then our other officers ascended via the elevator bank and came out into the foyer or hallway from the elevator bank there — right around 12 minutes. During that time, the suspect had stopped firing. And so when we don’t hear any firing taking place, then it becomes slow and methodical.”

At that point, he said, it was important to extract people from adjacent rooms to ensure their safety and plan a breach of Paddock’s room.

By the time they entered, the gunman had shot himself. “I honestly believe that he believed the wolf was at the door — being us, LVMPD — and that is when he made the decision to take his life,” Lombardo said.



OK, so when did he kill himself? What is the estimated time of death? If not more than an hour previous to the wolf at his door, why didn't the police hear or react to the fatal shot or shots?


Paddock expended more than 1,000 rounds over the 10 minutes he fired, in what authorities were able to identify as 12 bursts. The pauses between them, Lombardo said, could have resulted from either jammed or faulty weapons, or the need to replace clips as they were emptied.


But they don't know how many rounds he fired or which guns he fired or whether any of these weapons jammed or was faulty or whether Paddock replaced any clips more than a month later? We are really expected to believe that this information is not known and will never be known?


Paddock made money on real estate investments and described himself as a professional gambler, though he had previously worked also as a defense industry auditor. He often spent long hours playing video poker.

But Lombardo said Paddock had “gone up and down” in his wealth and had recently been losing money.

The sheriff said that while that might have been a factor in the shooting, authorities are still trying to learn if there was some triggering event in October, when Paddock first began stockpiling weapons and ammunition — including high-capacity assault rifles. He noted reports that Paddock may have scouted other locations to carry out his plan, including the Life is Beautiful event in downtown Las Vegas as well as locations in Boston and Chicago.

“Obviously he took a long time to think this out,” Lombardo said.

With so little still understood about Paddock’s motive, Lombardo confirmed that the gunman’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, a former casino concierge who lived with him in Mesquite, Nev., continues to be interviewed and is still considered a “person of interest.”



Once again, how was he losing money? How much money had he lost and how was he losing this money?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:40 am

How can the FBI & Las Vegas PD not know exactly which weapons were fired by Paddock more than a month later?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg ... story.html

Paddock expended more than 1,000 rounds over the 10 minutes he fired, in what authorities were able to identify as 12 bursts. The pauses between them, Lombardo said, could have resulted from either jammed or faulty weapons, or the need to replace clips as they were emptied.

LOL. How stupid do they think we are?

Exactly how many rounds did Paddock fire in his hotel suite? Exactly how many rounds did he fire from the adjacent room? Which of his 23 guns were fired? Did any of these weapons jam? Were any of these weapons faulty? Did Paddock replace any clips in any of these weapons? Are we really expected to believe that nobody has determined any of this a month later and that none of it will ever be known?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:51 am

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las ... story.html

Los Angeles Times, other news outlets file lawsuits to obtain Las Vegas shooting records

News organizations have filed two lawsuits with a third suit planned as they seek public records from law enforcement agencies investigating the

Attorneys representing a consortium of news outlets including the Los Angeles Times filed two lawsuits in Nevada on Wednesday night asking officials to turn over law enforcement records related to the Oct. 1 massacre in Las Vegas that left 58 people dead.

A month after the shooting, many questions remain unanswered about why the gunman, Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., opened fire on a country music concert from his room at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, as well as questions about how police and hotel officials responded as Paddock unleashed his attack.

One of the lawsuits filed in Clark County, Nev., district court asks a judge to unseal court records related to at least 14 search warrants filed in connection with the investigation of Paddock, including probable-cause affidavits and transcripts of oral arguments that might provide insight into the police investigation.

“The law enforcement authorities in charge of the criminal investigation have publicly declared that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, acted alone,” the lawsuit says. “Although aspects of that investigation are still ongoing, law enforcement officials cannot credibly claim that a search for further suspects — the primary reason why investigations are kept confidential — will be harmed if these records are unsealed.”

The lawsuit adds: “The public has a compelling interest in learning as much as possible about the government’s response to the deadliest mass shooting in this nation’s history.”

The second lawsuit filed in the district court Wednesday demanded that the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department turn over law enforcement records that had been unsuccessfully requested by several news outlets in public records requests.

The requests sought police body camera footage, recordings of 911 calls, dispatch calls, evidence logs and surveillance footage collected from the Mandalay Bay as evidence.

The lawsuit argues that “under Nevada law, all video and audio recordings made by police-worn body cameras are public records subject to inspection,” as are recordings of 911 calls. In some cases, police denied requests to release the records, stating that the investigation was ongoing, while ignoring other requests altogether.

“A full month later, significant questions remain unanswered about the shooter’s actions and the response of public agencies,” the lawsuit argues. Authorities’ “blanket refusal to produce any of the records pursuant to the requests is improper, and all requested information and records should be produced without redactions.”

The lawsuit asks a judge to order police to turn over the records immediately, and also seeks attorneys’ fees.

The news organizations plan to file an additional lawsuit Thursday in federal court with a separate request to unseal records connected to the shooting.

The other news organizations involved in the lawsuits include the Associated Press, ABC News, CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post and KSNV-TV, the Las Vegas affiliate of NBC. The media outlets are represented by the Ballard Spahr law firm in Las Vegas.

Las Vegas police did not immediately respond to a request for comment sent late Wednesday night.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:11 am

8bitagent » 03 Nov 2017 07:02 wrote:Im still inclined to believe "the worst mass shooting in American history" was the sick bucket list final wish of a newly retiree who had a lot of money saved up.


Again, why are you inclined to believe this? Who else has ever done any remotely similar thing as part of his "sick bucket list final wish"? This is what I am puzzled by. Why are we all so inclined to believe this? What makes this so damn credible to everyone that we are willing to accept zero motive and a sheriff who cannot tell us how many bullets Paddock fired from which guns more than a month later?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Blue » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:03 am

Burnt Hill wrote:I don't get the impression Paddock was a "comfortable" man, and "old" is relative,
this part of your argument falls flat, more stuff that doesn't really matter.


Exactly. Paddock was 64 for cryin out loud but for some reason sd harps on SENIOR CITIZEN like he was 90 and in a wheelchair. The dude worked out at a gym. He bought a lot of guns legally. He had them in his room like countless other gun nuts who were in Vegas for the big gun convention. NV is open carry. On and on...

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-shooting-motive-gunman-was-narcissistic-became-depressed-after-700575?yptr=yahoo

LAS VEGAS SHOOTING MOTIVE: GUNMAN WAS NARCISSISTIC, BECAME DEPRESSED AFTER LOSING 'SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WEALTH,' SHERIFF SAYS
BY CHRISTAL HAYES ON 11/2/17 AT 9:30 PM

Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock was obsessed with his status when it came to being one of the city's elite, but when he started losing large amounts of cash, that popularity was quickly replaced with depression—which investigators say might be one of the primary reasons behind his attack on October 1.

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo talked extensively about the mass shooting, Paddock and the changing timeline, which has led to controversy and questions regarding the sniping attack, in a two-hour interview with KLAS, a local CBS affiliate in Las Vegas.

Lombardo said Paddock had a long of ups and downs with money but he "lost a significant amount of his wealth" since September 2015, which may have been a "determining factor" on why he started building an armory of more than 40 weapons and meticulously planning every detail of the shooting.


Lombardo also provided more details about the investigation, including that Paddock used several days to bring up all 23 guns up to his hotel room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino to avoid getting caught.

He also said police searched one of Paddock's computers and found he had researched police tactics, which would have helped him in prepping for the attack and knowing when and how law enforcement would respond. Lombardo said another computer was missing its hard drive, which has prevented authorities from gathering any evidence or clues.

Paddock went to other hotels that overlooked popular music festivals in cities—including Chicago—but Lombardo said authorities don't think Paddock planned to attack those venues because he didn't have a lot of luggage, which would mean he was without his firearms.

One thing that has stuck out, Lombardo said, was Paddock's mindset to plan his attack from afar.

"It was very easy for this individual to disassociate from their victims because of the distance," he said. "He's not looking at somebody in the eye. He's not seeing the damage that he's causing because it's so far away."

Lombardo also addressed the changing timeline of how his department responded to the shooting, which led to questions about why they weren't able to find Paddock's room faster and why officers stood outside the gunman's room for an hour before breaching the door.

He didn't provide new times but said he tried to be transparent with every new update to help the public feel safe.

"Hindsight is 20/20," Lombardo said, adding he didn't have any regrets on how he handled the flow of information to the public.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:30 am

Yes, yes, Sheriff Lombardo's handlers got him to go out and play amateur psychologist. Paddock had supposedly lost some money recently, so of course that forced him to turn to senseless murder and suicide rather than simply limit his suddenly less lucrative habit. Paddock also had supposedly searched some suspicious websites on one of his computers. But how exactly did Lombardo figure out that Paddock was a narcissist who loved to murder people from afar when he cannot even figure out which guns Paddock fired?

How can the FBI & Las Vegas PD not know exactly which weapons were fired by Paddock more than a month later? Would anyone care to explain this to me?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg ... story.html

Paddock expended more than 1,000 rounds over the 10 minutes he fired, in what authorities were able to identify as 12 bursts. The pauses between them, Lombardo said, could have resulted from either jammed or faulty weapons, or the need to replace clips as they were emptied.

LOL. How stupid do they think we are?

Exactly how many rounds did Paddock fire in his hotel suite? Exactly how many rounds did he fire from the adjacent room? Which of his 23 guns were fired? Did any of these weapons jam? Were any of these weapons faulty? Did Paddock replace any clips in any of these weapons? Are we really expected to believe that nobody has determined any of this a month later and that none of it will ever be known?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby SonicG » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:36 am

Yeah, holy shit.

Put aside the motive for a second...That LA Times lawsuit says this is a cover up...no question. Perhaps as small as some serious malfeasance by the hotel...cops...other agencies...all the way to...who knows what...
The fact that it there isn't a suit filed by every major TV network for information regarding the largest mass shooting in US history...is insane.
I won't blame Trump but certainly whatever is in the air that got that dude elected is fucking seeping in everywhere...Sure, let's execute that terrorist in NY without even a trial...

Speaking of it being in the air, maybe we can blame Nibiru...it's been very hazy here lately....



Or, fuck it, let's blame it on the Frankfurt School and call it a day....
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:19 am

Again, to everyone here who so wants to believe that it is so fucking believable that a 64-year-old millionaire would premeditate and then execute an elaborate year long plan to shoot scores of total strangers and only total strangers without any political provocation and then shoot himself without any police provocation, I issue what should be a simple challenge:

Show us the closest historical analogue to this behavior that you can produce. Since this kind of behavior is so incredibly likely to occur, you must be able to cite several examples of something similar to this happening at some point in the past. There have been so many narcissists and so many people who lost money and so many evil old rich guys in the history of the world that it should be easy to produce dozens of examples of old rich guys who killed lots of complete strangers and then offed themselves in a carefully premeditated manner. Right? So let's see the closest historical analogue that anyone here can come up with. The guy doesn't have to be in his 60s, he doesn't have to be a millionaire, and he doesn't have to have successfully killed scores of people. He just needs to be middle aged, apolitical, and without a shred of financial duress, and he needs to have killed at least a handful of total strangers and only total strangers and then himself in a premeditated manner. You know, because this was on that sick suicidal bucket list that so many old, financially secure guys have had recently. So what are their names?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:39 am

I haven't gone back over the thread to see if this has already been posted. I was very curious to know if a drill was scheduled during the same time frame, but I don't know the date of this article or the drill.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/nevada- ... l/80837552

Homeland security officials were already scheduled to meet in Las Vegas to go over safety concerns in the Las Vegas Valley. The Nevada Homeland Security Commission is very concerned about the attacks in London.

For the members, it serves as a reminder that we cannot let down our guard. For that very reason on Monday the Las Vegas Convention Center will become one mass causality triage center for a mock terrorist drill. Clark County Emergency Management Manager Jim O'Brien says about the drill, "We are testing our local emergency operations plan. The state's emergency operations plan and the national response plan."

O'Brien adds the three-day test starting Monday takes on new meaning because of the London attacks. The exercise planning began last November after a Channel 8 Eyewitness News investigation revealing a break down in the trauma system.

At that time, the Homeland Security Commission Chairman Doctor Dale Carrison said 200 critical patients from a terrorist attack or natural disaster would overwhelm the system. State Emergency Management Director Frank Siracusa says this test will identify problem areas. "Certainly we will find some deficits. That is what an exercise is all about. We know right now we need to improve our processes."

One aspect of the exercise deals with a transit attack. It won't simulate exactly what happened in London, but enough to test local response. Nevada Homeland Security Commissioners were briefed on the test Thursday. During the meeting, the attacks in London were used to highlight the importance of the commissions work.

Nevada Homeland Security Commission Chairman Carrison says, "I think this emphasizes the point that they are still out there. It's not time for us to fall asleep at the switch. It's time for us to go forward and make those recommendations to the governor that protect the citizens of Nevada."

Carrison worries that we may fall into a false sense of security. He believes tests like the one Monday for Clark County help keep focus. He says the unfortunate incidents in London serve as a reminder that we can be attacked again right here at home.

Former Sheriff and now head of Wynn Las Vegas security, Jerry Keller, is on the commission. He says that casino security staff at all Las Vegas hotels have been alerted to keep an eye out just in case.


Don't know about the veracity of this one:
https://www.intellihub.com/vegas-union- ... at-12-a-m/

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:41 pm

A timely article that provides some essential context:

October 24, 2017
The FBI’s Forgotten Criminal History

by James Bovard

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/10/24 ... l-history/

President Trump’s firing of FBI chief James Comey last May spurred much of the media to rally around America’s most powerful domestic federal agency. But the FBI has a long record of both deceit and incompetence. Five years ago, Americans learned that the FBI was teaching its agents that “the FBI has the ability to bend or suspend the law to impinge on the freedom of others.” This has practically been the Bureau’s motif since its creation in 1908.

The bureau was small potatoes until Woodrow Wilson dragged the United States into World War I. In one fell swoop, the number of dangerous Americans increased by perhaps twentyfold. The Espionage Act of 1917 made it easy to jail anyone who criticized the war or the government. In September 1918, the bureau, working with local police and private vigilantes, seized more than 50,000 suspected draft dodgers off the streets and out of the restaurants of New York, Newark, and Jersey City. The Justice Department was disgraced when the vast majority of young men who had been arrested turned out to be innocent.

In January 1920, J. Edgar Hoover — the 25-year-old chief of the bureau’s Radical Division — was the point man for the “Palmer Raids.” Nearly 10,000 suspected Reds and radicals were seized. The bureau carefully avoided keeping an accurate count of detainees (a similar pattern of negligence occurred with the roundups after the 9/11 attacks). Attorney General Mitchell Palmer sought to use the massive roundups to propel his presidential candidacy. The operation took a drubbing, however, after an insolent judge demanded that the Justice Department provide evidence for why people had been arrested. Federal judge George Anderson complained that the government had created a “spy system” that “destroys trust and confidence and propagates hate. A mob is a mob whether made up of government officials acting under instructions from the Department of Justice, or of criminals, loafers, and the vicious classes.”

After the debacle of the Palmer raids, the bureau devoted its attention to the nation’s real enemies: the U.S. Congress. The bureau targeted “senators whom the Attorney General saw as threats to America. The Bureau was breaking into their offices and homes, intercepting their mail, and tapping their telephones,” as Tim Weiner recounted in his 2012 book Enemies: The History of the FBI. The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was illegally targeted because the bureau feared he might support diplomatic recognition of Soviet Russia.

Hoover, who ran the FBI from 1924 until his death in 1972, built a revered agency that utterly intimidated official Washington. The FBI tapped the home telephone of a Supreme Court clerk, and at least one Supreme Court Justice feared the FBI had bugged the conference room where justices privately discussed cases. In 1945, President Harry Truman wrote in his diary, “We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. FBI is tending in that direction…. This must stop.” But Truman did not have the gumption to pull in the reins.

The bureau’s power soared after Congress passed the Internal Security Act of 1950, authorizing massive crackdowns on suspected subversives. Hoover compiled a list of more than 20,000 “potentially or actually dangerous” Americans who could be seized and locked away at the president’s command. Hoover specified that “the hearing procedure [for detentions] will not be bound by the rules of evidence.”
“Congress secretly financed the creation of six of these [detention] camps in the 1950s,” noted Weiner. (When rumors began circulating in the 1990s that the Federal Emergency Management Agency was building detention camps, government officials and much of the media scoffed that such a thing could never occur in this nation.)

From 1956 through 1971, the FBI’s COINTELPRO program conducted thousands of covert operations to incite street warfare between violent groups, to get people fired, to portray innocent people as government informants, and to cripple or destroy left-wing, black, communist, white racist, and anti-war organizations. FBI agents also busied themselves forging “poison pen” letters to wreck activists’ marriages. The FBI set up a Ghetto Informant Program that continued after COINTELPRO and that had 7,402 informants, including proprietors of candy stores and barbershops, as of September 1972. The informants served as “listening posts” “to identify extremists passing through or locating in the ghetto area, to identify purveyors of extremist literature,” and to keep an eye on “Afro-American type bookstores” (including obtaining the names of the bookstores’ “clientele”).

The FBI let no corner of American life escape its vigilance; it even worked to expose and discredit “communists who are secretly operating in legitimate organizations and employments, such as the Young Men’s Christian Association and Boy Scouts,” as a 1976 Senate report noted. The FBI took a shotgun approach to target and harass protesters partly because of its “belief that dissident speech and association should be prevented because they were incipient steps toward the possible ultimate commission of an act which might be criminal,” the Senate report observed. That report characterized COINTELPRO as “a secret war against those citizens [the FBI] considers threats to the established order.” COINTELPRO was exposed only after a handful of activists burglarized an FBI office in a Philadelphia suburb, seized FBI files, and leaked the damning documents to the media. The revelations were briefly shocking but faded into the Washington Memory Hole.

FBI haughtiness was showcased on national television on April 19, 1993, when its agents used 54-ton tanks to smash into the Branch Davidians’ sprawling, ramshackle home near Waco, Texas. The tanks intentionally collapsed 25 percent of the building on top of the huddled residents. After the FBI pumped the building full of CS gas (banned for use on enemy soldiers by a chemical-weapons treaty), a fire ignited that left 80 children, women, and men dead. The FBI swore it was not to blame for the conflagration. However, FBI agents had stopped firetrucks from a local fire department far from the burning building, claiming it was not safe to allow them any closer because the Davidians might shoot people dousing a fire that was killing them. Six years after the assault, news leaked that the FBI had fired incendiary tear-gas cartridges into the Davidians’ home prior to the fire’s erupting.

Attorney General Janet Reno, furious over the FBI’s deceit on this key issue, sent U.S. marshals to raid FBI headquarters to search for more Waco evidence. From start to finish, the FBI brazenly lied about what it did at Waco — with one exception. On the day after the Waco fire, FBI on-scene commander Larry Potts explained the rationale for the FBI’s final assault: “These people had thumbed their nose at law enforcement.”

Terrorism

FBI counterterrorism spending soared in the mid to late 1990s. But the FBI dismally failed to connect the dots on suspicious foreigners engaged in domestic aviation training prior to the 9/11 attacks. Though Congress had deluged the FBI with almost $2 billion to upgrade its computers, many FBI agents had ancient machines incapable of searching the web. One FBI agent observed that the bureau ethos is that “real men don’t type…. The computer revolution just passed us by.” The FBI’s pre–9/11 blunders “contributed to the United States becoming, in effect, a sanctuary for radical terrorists,” according to a 2002 congressional investigation. Former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft groused that “the safest place in the world for a terrorist to be is inside the United States; as long as they don’t do something that trips them up against our laws, they can do pretty much all they want.” Sen. Richard Shelby in 2002 derided “the FBI’s dismal recent history of disorganization and institutional incompetence in its national security work.” (The FBI also lost track of a key informant at the heart of the cabal that detonated a truck bomb beneath the World Trade Center in 1993.)

The FBI has long relied on entrapment to boost its arrest statistics and publicity bombardments. The FBI Academy taught agents that subjects of FBI investigations “have forfeited their right to the truth.” After 9/11, this doctrine helped the agency to entrap legions of patsies who made the FBI appear to be protecting the nation. Trevor Aaronson, author of The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War on Terrorism, estimated that only about 1 percent of the 500 people charged with international terrorism offenses in the decade after 9/11 were bona fide threats. Thirty times as many were induced by the FBI to behave in ways that prompted their arrest.

In the Liberty City 7 case in Florida, FBI informants planted the notion of blowing up government buildings. In one case, a federal judge concluded that the government “came up with the crime, provided the means, and removed all relevant obstacles” in order to make a “terrorist” out of a man “whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in scope.”

The FBI’s informant program extended far beyond Muslims. The FBI bankrolled a right-wing New Jersey blogger and radio host for five years prior to his 2009 arrest for threatening federal judges. We have no idea how many bloggers, talk-show hosts, or activists the FBI is currently financing.

The FBI’s power has rarely been effectively curbed by either Congress or federal courts. In 1971, House Majority Leader Hale Boggs declared that the FBI’s power terrified Capitol Hill: “Our very fear of speaking out [against the FBI] … has watered the roots and hastened the growth of a vine of tyranny…. Our society cannot survive a planned and programmed fear of its own government bureaus and agencies.” Boggs vindicated a 1924 American Civil Liberties Union report warning that the FBI had become “a secret police system of a political character” — a charge that supporters of both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump would have cheered last year.

Is the FBI’s halo irrevocable? The FBI has always used its “good guy” image to keep a lid on its crimes. It is long past time for the American people, media, and Congress to take the FBI off its pedestal and place it where it belongs — under the law. It is time to cease venerating a federal agency whose abuses have perennially menaced Americans’ constitutional rights. Otherwise, the FBI’s vast power and pervasive secrecy guarantee that more FBI scandals are just around the bend.

This article was first printed by the Future of Freedom Foundation.

James Bovard is the author of Attention Deficit Democracy, The Bush Betrayal, Terrorism and Tyranny, and other books. Bovard is on the USA Today Board of Contributors. He is on Twitter at @jimbovard. His website is at http://www.jimbovard.com This essay was originally published by Future of Freedom Foundation.


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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Nov 3, 2017 @ 11:38 AM

Las Vegas Media Battle News Blackout On Shooting Story -- With Scoops

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As if the Las Vegas shooting story needed to become even more Delphic, the Country Music Awards issued guidelines this week threatening to revoke the credentials – ‘via security escort’ no less – of any journalist who asks about the shooting, gun rights or politics at the Nov. 8 Country Music Awards in Nashville.

That draconian edict comes nearly five weeks after the massacre, when many of the basic facts of the case remain a mystery. The timeline of the attack is still in dispute. So is the whereabouts of key witness Jesus Campos, the Mandalay Bay security guard who was shot either before or during the shooting massacre, depending on who you believe.

After suddenly vanishing last month, Campos re-emerged on NBC's Ellen for a short, oddly-staged interview that was uncomfortable to watch and offered no new insights on the case. Campos has yet to answer a single question from a journalist. He is reportedly in hiding at a location owned by Mandalay Bay's parent company, MGM Resorts International.

There's more to this than just a missing security guard. Listen to J. Keith Moyer, editor of the city's hometown paper, the Las Vegas Review-Journal (RJ): "We've had three different scenarios as far as the timeline goes. I really don't know whether we've got the right one yet. We've asked for 911 tapes and autopsy records -- they aren't giving them to us. There are no regular briefings. The authorities have pretty much clammed up.'


This virtual news blackout in a city with 15,000 miles of neon hasn't dimmed the RJ's enterprising coverage. The newspaper has churned out 250 full newspaper pages of stories since the night of the shooting. In the first 24 hours after the attack, the RJ's web site clocked nearly 7 million pageviews. In the month of October, the site drew just under 30 million pageviews (up from its average monthly total of 9 million, says Moyer). The paper has delivered some major scoops, including the first report of the shooter firing at nearby jet fuel tanks; the first interview with Stephen Paddock's brother; and the first to break the news that Jesus Campos would be interviewed on Ellen.

That said, covering the worst mass shooting in modern history has taken its toll on the paper's young staff, said Moyer. 'Several of our reporters working that first night are new to the business, in some cases just a few years out of school. They've never seen bodies on the ground or people running down the street with gunshot wounds. We've had counselors and therapy dogs in the newsroom,' he said. 'The Indianapolis Star and Orlando Sentinel sent us care packages. The Houston Chronicle, who just experienced the devastation of Hurricane Harvey, set up a $500 bar tab for us at a local restaurant. It's been heartening to see that our journalistic sisters and brothers are thinking about us.'

On Nov. 2, Las Vegas CBS affiliate KLAS scored quite a scoop: a two-part sit-down with Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo. For the first time, Lombardo theorized a motive for Paddock's mass murder rampage: The shooter was a status-obsessed narcissist who faced big gambling losses over the past two years -- causing Paddock to vent his growing inferiority and resentment. In the KLAS interview, Lombardo also suggests Paddock was a Trump fan. 'He was happy with Trump because the Stock Market was doing well.'

Norm Clarke, the eyepatch-wearing Walter Winchell of Las Vegas, who covers the city via Norm Clarke's Vegas Diary, naturally had a source inside Mandalay Bay relaying news to him late into the night of Oct. 1. Clarke, at work on an autobiography, The Power of the Patch, says the lack of definitive news on the shooting in part reflects lessons learned by MGM from the last disaster it faced in Las Vegas: the MGM Grand Hotel fire in 1980, which killed 85 people and injured nearly 600. In that tragedy, MGM paid out over $200 million in settlements. Some 49 lawyers were involved in a trial so large that a special, oversized courtroom had to be built. No wonder Jesus Campos is under wraps.

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^^It Appears MGM Has Taken Over Las Vegas Shooting Investigation
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Casino capitalism, Casino law-enforcement.

MGM owns this case. That`s why Ellen™ was the Carefully Chosen One and Jesus is under wraps.

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Postby Burnt Hill » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:13 pm

stickdog99 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:13 am wrote:
Burnt Hill » 03 Nov 2017 01:31 wrote:I don't get the impression Paddock was a "comfortable" man, and "old" is relative,
this part of your argument falls flat, more stuff that doesn't really matter.
And it is a "vile, meaningless, and historically unprecedented" act.
I hope no one is arguing against any of that.
I am just not surprised that there does in fact exist a person that would commit
such a crime.
I am definitely cynical that way.
People will do outrageously sick things.
They are doing them right now.


Again, why does this roll off your tongue so easily even though you fully admit that you cannot cite any historical precedent for this?

Sure, humans murder humans continually. That is not remotely an explanation for a single human executing a complex premeditated plan in order to shoot down dozens of total strangers and only total strangers for no reason and then shoot himself as well an hour before the police so much as even try to do anything whatsoever to stop him. Give us a single historical precedent for this behavior by anyone who even remotely fits Paddock's profile.

It doesn't fit. The plot is simply not believable. What is the character's motivation? If he really and truly wanted to kill random strangers and only random strangers so damn much for some completely unknown reason that he went to all that trouble just to do so, why did he stop shooting for no reason and then kill himself for no reason? If he wanted to outdo his father or strike a blow for Muslims or whatever, why did he leave nary a clue about his motive?

This is what I am trying to understand that I cannot understand. Nobody can think of any remotely similar crime ever having happened before, but not a soul is willing admit that this fact makes such behavior even so much as a tad unlikely.


Well shoot didn't I just explain why it was so easy for those words to roll off my tongue?

It is well within the realm of human behavior to murder other people.
Extremely aberrant behavior is no surprise to me. I see it everyday.

I am starting to think you are just taking the piss on this issue.

The age doesn't matter. The money doesn't matter. The "statistical" anomaly of how many killed or wounded doesn't matter.

A human being murdered lots of other human beings, happens all the time.
There are many "remotely" similar events.

Lets not assume there was no motive either.
Just because we don't know the motive doesn't mean it was a motiveless crime.

None of this presupposes innocence of MGM or FBI or even LVPD.
Though if there is foul play there, I believe it comes during and after the shootings.
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Postby Burnt Hill » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:19 pm

Does anyone doubt that MGM would pull out all the stops to protect its interests?
Or to profit from this tragedy?
Don't you think MGM already had a plan for an event like this?
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